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Re: Question For The Sages On Here [Re: Chronic7]
#12690644 - 06/05/10 10:29 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Chronic777 said: You just have to acustom your mind to focusing on your Self rather than focusing on ideas about yourself 

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Re: Question For The Sages On Here [Re: appleorange]
#12691197 - 06/05/10 12:53 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Do the countless waves upon the ocean negate the unity of the ocean? Does the unity of the ocean negate the countless waves that arise from it, peak, and then disappear on the shore? Can you not see that Nirvana is Samsara, and that Samsara is Nirvana? Both Unity and multiplicity exist simultaneously. The Unity, when perceived is called Nirvana. The multiplicity when perceived is called Samsara. A moment of Nirvana is the 'white eye' in the black Yin of the Yin-Yang. The perception of the jivatman is one of multiplicity, that of the Self is Atman, to use Sri Ramana's terms. Consciousness is "amphibious" according to Huxley, and can identify with both poles of identity. The Buddhist saying about Nirvana-Samsara proclaims the simultaneity of both. Living in Sat Chit Ananda presumably parallels this saying. Living in the Here & Now, riveting as it is, allows the mental-emotional-sensate barrage to be permeated with the stillness of Being (as Eckhart Tolle is best known for reiterating). This is perhaps as close as most of us can come to the ideal, while still living in regular American society. The elimination of numerous attachments/addictions is necessary for living a spiritual life in this sense. That means he insidious cell phone addiction has to go first. This pet peeve of mine simply cultivates 'Monkey Mind' in the worst way.
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I just bought my first cell phone this year. I put it in the glove compartment of my car in case I need to call AAA. I have never used it.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Addiction to using a cell phone, i don't get it? I feel like i can feel the radiation from mine so i hate having it anywhere near me lol Take it dude its yours!
I really do sometimes think about not having a cell phone at all
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Icelander said: I just bought my first cell phone this year. I put it in the glove compartment of my car in case I need to call AAA. I have never used it. 
I think we should live together ice  I like the way you dislike people, its in a likeable way lol
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Re: Question For The Sages On Here [Re: Chronic7]
#12692308 - 06/05/10 03:45 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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You'll have to help me paint the house you know.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Question For The Sages On Here [Re: Icelander]
#12692346 - 06/05/10 03:50 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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I like your recent attitude of being away from humans
I reckon i could do with a good 6 months away from civilization, or at least 40 nights
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Re: Question For The Sages On Here [Re: Icelander]
#12694576 - 06/05/10 11:34 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah. My Lady Rose made we get one after she had a pool emergency during a torrential rain and the phones were out at work. She had to call a friend in another school, to phone a person in my school to take her cell up to my room and demand I phone home! Now, it sits in my back pack on vibrate. Month before last used 0.8 minutes. This month, zero. We're trying to fight Verizon putting a 100 foot cell phone tower at the edge of our housing community.
I got my first cell Christmas 2008. The first call I received was from my long-lost very first love-turned-hooker-pimp, whom I was trying to locate (like several other long-lost college era friends). After several intense conversations, and the ire of my Lady, I only receive spam calls and never call out. I have kids who say "Wow, it's been 2 minutes and I haven't gotten a text!" They are supposed to turn the cell off during school hours. Right. I have group rules and all electronics are verboten. They're in group to reflect, if possible, emote, relate, debate, and, in a word - think!
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Interesting topic. Would like to share my experience if you won't mind my weak english. Still learning.
I guess the point of having a teacher rather than reading books and debating online is that in the subject of spiritual/psychological improvement people tend to form certain classes according to what is closer to them. I am not much a person of the 'soul' stuff, much more the 'mind' stuff. I don't really feel that all this zazen and other imported bullshit is of any use, but i know it in fact is. Just not for me.
So if you want to meditate about that, just do that i guess. I think about that like this.
We expect the existence of outer reality. That is default. Not to is always bit a stretch and usually its only done in philosophy to sound cool, without seeing it and that i hate. But realizing what really is is important. And what really is is that all you see, hear and think is your mind. Once again, it is right to belive there is the world. That is definitelly the right interpretation. But on occasion you want to work with this concept in other way.
Don't think about it like what is true. Truth in factual sense is the smaller piece of the image. But it can be expressed in numerous ways that, when saing the same thing, are in fact very different.
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Re: Question For The Sages On Here [Re: Owce]
#12695534 - 06/06/10 03:57 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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I had a dream the universe was born from a single thought light is conscious eternal love and all existence, serves to perpetuate itself infinitely. The goal being to evolve based on wisdom gained through experience and knowledge over time. What better way for perpetual creative evolution than for one consciousness to experience itself subjectively, in infinite different variations and from infinite different perspectives simultaneously? Ultimately we are all connected to the same source, at the base of it all. Wherever that source may be, we are the divine manifestations of creation made flesh and given free will and an individual experience to pave the way for future evolutionary progress. Many times throughout your life you may meet someone, who you feel intimately connected to, like you've known them your whole life. Perhaps you shared a past life karmic bond, or perhaps you both realize that you are reflections of one other and laugh and the ingeniousness of it all, whatever the case may be.. like woah man. At least thats what the dream said
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Re: Question For The Sages On Here [Re: Shroomism]
#12695623 - 06/06/10 04:58 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Question For The Sages On Here [Re: rikuni]
#12695739 - 06/06/10 06:19 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Evolution has no ending.
I wouldn't be too sure about that one. Evolution as we know it is connected to physical reality and life. If those come to an end and they could imo...
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Question For The Sages On Here [Re: Icelander]
#12696380 - 06/06/10 10:41 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Question For The Sages On Here [Re: rikuni]
#12696394 - 06/06/10 10:44 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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What about when the Earth is finally destroyed by natural forces? Then the galaxy?
There are only so many places for life to hide out before it is finally extinguished.
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Re: Question For The Sages On Here [Re: rikuni]
#12696405 - 06/06/10 10:46 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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In a few billion years the sun will die and absorb and destroy the earth including 100% of the life on it. If the universe continues to expand and cool all life that might be in deep space will die out. This is very possible. Then evolution could well end. No one knows imo.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Question For The Sages On Here [Re: Sleepwalker]
#12696431 - 06/06/10 10:52 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Question For The Sages On Here [Re: Owce]
#12696453 - 06/06/10 10:55 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks for post #1! It is not so much your English that is difficult, it is your position, which, it seems, is rooted in sense experience and the mind's interpretation of it. But, if I have mis-interpreted, feel free to clarify what you are saying. Sense experience IS a sort of survival-based "default" for the physical body, but the inner life is multi-levelled. The 'soul' as it were has different divisions or levels of subtlety according to different traditions. The nefesh, ruach, neshama, chaya, and yechida in Judaism, for example. The intellectual, emotional and vegetative levels in Plato. Hindu metaphysics? Alice in Wonderland felt herself 'shutting up like a telescope,' and indeed, all spiritual paths must first wrench one away from addiction to sensory input. I wrote here not too long ago about a friend's adolescent son who had one ear plugged with an IPod, the other ear against a cell phone, a laptop sat on his stomach while the TV was on in front of him. A picture of piggery. A glutton for the audio-visual senses. The senses cannot provide fulfillment. One sexual partner is not enough, nor a menage a trois, or an orgy, or repeated orgies. It's another aspect of modern's 'Twinkie diet,' because no matter how many sweet Twinkies one consumes, the result is going to be a hastening of malnutrition, disease, decay, and potential death.
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Re: Question For The Sages On Here [Re: rikuni]
#12696622 - 06/06/10 11:32 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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In a few billion years the sun will die and absorb and destroy the earth including 100% of the life on it
In a few billion years One could say in a few billion years we just move the earth through hyperspace and save 100% of the life on it. lol
You are talking about things that are not currently possible and may never be. That's not much of a argument for your position.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Question For The Sages On Here [Re: Icelander]
#12696677 - 06/06/10 11:42 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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MarkostheGnostic said: Alice in Wonderland felt herself 'shutting up like a telescope,' and indeed, all spiritual paths must first wrench one away from addiction to sensory input.
It is through directing the mind inward, away from sense-consciousness, that we begin to identify with the intuitive-mind (manas) which facilitates the “Universal Mind and Transcendental Intelligence” (Govinda 74).
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Re: Question For The Sages On Here [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#12697022 - 06/06/10 12:47 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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-------------------- γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself
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