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OfflineMycotopian
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20 Jars Done - Tight or Loose Lids - Picture
    #1267608 - 02/01/03 10:09 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I just did these 20 jars yesterday (10 Hawiian, 10 Amazonian). I am wondering if I should have loose lids or tight lids? I plan on doing most of these jars invitro (Hippie's Neglect Tek). I have masking tape over the holes but I understand these cakes need to breath. How tight is tight? This is the most cakes I have ever done at one time and I don't want to waste it. Also I have these jars in the original Ball Jar boxes in my closet. What is the best temperature to keep these jars at while the mycelium grows? By the way my closet is around 75 degrees all the time.


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Re: 20 Jars Done - Tight or Loose Lids - Picture [Re: Mycotopian]
    #1267706 - 02/01/03 10:51 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

You may want to give them some heat while they incubate, or its gonna be slowwww...

maybe cover them with a dark blanket and put a light above em.


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Re: 20 Jars Done - Tight or Loose Lids - Picture [Re: ATWAR]
    #1267803 - 02/01/03 11:32 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

get heat, or you'll be wating for a month or two. slow colonizers i think too.


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Re: 20 Jars Done - Tight or Loose Lids - Picture [Re: Mycotopian]
    #1267809 - 02/01/03 11:34 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)



  Correct just raise the temp. if you can like 10deg. and they gonna
  be perfect... :wink: 


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Re: 20 Jars Done - Tight or Loose Lids - Picture [Re: Mycotopian]
    #1267860 - 02/01/03 12:01 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

myco, i'm guessing that if you haven't done too many crops, you won't do well at the neglect tek. it works well for people for whom basic errors aren't an issue, due to experience.

i apologise if i'm wrong, and you're a pro, but your questions suggest otherwise..

good luck :grin:


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Re: 20 Jars Done - Tight or Loose Lids - Picture [Re: shirley knott]
    #1268055 - 02/01/03 01:28 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I thought it was just the opposite? The way I understood it was that it was even easier than birthing the cakes. I have 3 three cakes right now in my terrarium and I have used the double ended casting tek on those and I am producing so so right now. I have gotten about 6.5 grams dired so far out of the 3 cakes (they have been birthed for about 2 weeks). I hear that you can get 7 grams out of 1 cake neglect style. I actually planned on doing most cakes (around 12 cakes) neglect tek and the rest I would put in my terrarium.


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Re: 20 Jars Done - Tight or Loose Lids - Picture [Re: Mycotopian]
    #1268069 - 02/01/03 01:34 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Let me ask this...would I be better off putting those 20 cakes (at the time of birthing) in a rubbermaid container with clear plexi on top for light? If so what subsrate should I set the cakes on, maybe perlite? What would you do with your cakes on there birthday if you have 20 cakes?


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Re: 20 Jars Done - Tight or Loose Lids - Picture [Re: Mycotopian]
    #1268148 - 02/01/03 02:11 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

At 75 deg. you are going to waiting forever. You need you temp to be in the mid 80's otherwise when it comes time for them to pin, you won't have a temp to bring them down to. Also, you can just put the cakes on top of the perlite, they will do just fine that way.


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Re: 20 Jars Done - Tight or Loose Lids - Picture [Re: moldmaster]
    #1269719 - 02/02/03 12:08 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

are amazons slow colonizers?


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Re: 20 Jars Done - Tight or Loose Lids - Picture [Re: deprave]
    #1269725 - 02/02/03 12:12 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

i knocked up 3 pesa jars on the 25th
they showed growth on the 28th
and today 2nd, they are 80%

fastest ive had but im still a rookie


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Re: 20 Jars Done - Tight or Loose Lids - Picture [Re: Mycotopian]
    #1269784 - 02/02/03 12:52 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

oh man you should at least make a couple casings. you will never turn back...for a beginner casing, just use plain vermiculite for the casing layers.


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Re: 20 Jars Done - Tight or Loose Lids - Picture [Re: Mycotopian]
    #1269818 - 02/02/03 01:27 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

myko, yes, with that many cakes you would be best off using a large rubbermaid type container. you will probably want two of them so you can easily accomidate 10 per container.

yes perlite is good for humidification (BTW, it's not realy a substrate). in a large rubbermaid i recomend filling the perlite two inches deep and ading half that volume of water. i also recomend boiling the water and letting it cool for sterility before adding it.

you may want to cut squares of aluminum foil to set the cakes on so they don't get waterlogged and then set them directly on the perlite if they start looking dry or the fruits start to stall untill you notice new primordia then replace them on (fresh) foil.

also, i'm sure all 20 cakes are not going to be ready at the same time. just birth each as it is fully colonized (i'm sure you know this but i'm just looking out.)

fan regularly and try to keep temps constant if you can(again, i'm sure you already know this.)

BTW, i think you and Shirly are talking about two different neglect teks.


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Re: 20 Jars Done - Tight or Loose Lids - Picture [Re: felix]
    #1270223 - 02/02/03 07:43 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Hey felix or concretefeet, Could you or anyone direct me to a beginner casting tek. I am very interested in doing casts instead of cakes but I really would like to find one that is user friendly for my first cast.


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Re: 20 Jars Done - Tight or Loose Lids - Picture [Re: Mycotopian]
    #1270279 - 02/02/03 08:03 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

You mean casing?
Start here:
http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/3


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Re: 20 Jars Done - Tight or Loose Lids - Picture [Re: Anno]
    #1270297 - 02/02/03 08:10 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I'm sorry casing. I looked there yesterday but I must have looked over the casing. Thanks for the link. I am going to give this a try. If you have any pointers for me I would great ly appreciate it. This is a great place with lots of info.


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Re: 20 Jars Done - Tight or Loose Lids - Picture [Re: Mycotopian]
    #1272482 - 02/03/03 02:28 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

"i apologise if i'm wrong, and you're a pro, but your questions suggest otherwise."
shirley knott,
I believe that it is called "Neglect Tek" and neglect to me means "To pay little or no attention to". To me as a newbe, this sounds as though it may be a better tek for me. That's just what I gathered. Less work and less to worry about = Newbe
Correct me if I am wrong.




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Re: 20 Jars Done - Tight or Loose Lids - Picture [Re: Mycotopian]
    #1272580 - 02/03/03 04:14 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Well, what i think he meant by neglect, is that some things you can neglect and other details canot be !!! a pro knows what steps he can skip, a newb should stick to the plan at all times until he becomes familiar with the process!!!

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Re: 20 Jars Done - Tight or Loose Lids - Picture [Re: Curious_George]
    #1272609 - 02/03/03 04:30 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

The main reason I am looking to do this tek with some of these jars is because I read that these invitro cakes can produce 7+ grams per cake. I am only getting about 3 grams dried from each cake. I am using double end casing on those cakes. I am interested in producing more shrooms per cake.


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Re: 20 Jars Done - Tight or Loose Lids - Picture [Re: Mycotopian]
    #1272954 - 02/03/03 07:10 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I doubt you will harvest more from invitro cakes than if you fruited them in a terrarium.


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Re: 20 Jars Done - Tight or Loose Lids - Picture [Re: Mycotopian]
    #1273239 - 02/03/03 08:37 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

The main reason I am looking to do this tek with some of these jars is because I read that these invitro cakes can produce 7+ grams per cake. I am only getting about 3 grams dried from each cake. I am using double end casing on those cakes. I am interested in producing more shrooms per cake.



If you want more shrooms per cake....dunk the cakes in water before birthing them...ala dunk tek.
And don't do the neglect tek....birth them in a fruiting chamber.


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