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Anonymous #1

How to repay a snitch.
    #12670177 - 06/02/10 12:27 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

So... This kid I know just got fucked over by a snitch -- like kicked out of college fucked over.  He's got me in a little bit of trouble as well, which could actually turn out to be a lot of trouble given my (albeit nothing serious, simply numerous) previous offenses.

When being questioned by the police they warned about "intimidating a witness" blah blah blah, well we pretty much figured out who the kid was.  Now how long is he considered a "witness" for, only until trial is over?

I was thinking about maybe mentioning it to a couple of friends who were friends with both this kid who is getting royally fucked, and myself, and not really asking or implying any sort of physical harm, but to use their own "discretion" if they were to ever see this kid around.  I doubt this kid knows who I am (I was just caught in the crossfire of this little bitch snitching), so I could probably retaliate, but wouldn't want a felony charge brought against me.

What exactly is witness intimidation?  Would making it VERY public that this kid is a snitch (signs, facebook groups, possibly a shirt) be considered intimidation -- I never threatened him in any way.

What would be some good ideas to get this kid back good?  I'm no snitch, but possibly having somebody else fuck him over (again) with the police, may set him straight.  Maybe possibly knowing someone with a potent drug that wouldn't kill, but disorient for a few days (or a week) that wouldn't mind slipping it to him?  Just toss out some ideas, and maybe a snitch may get what he deserves.

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Anonymous #2

Re: How to repay a snitch. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #12670196 - 06/02/10 12:31 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

No.

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Anonymous #3

Re: How to repay a snitch. [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #12670240 - 06/02/10 12:40 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

bad idea dude, my roommate got fucked for selling 2 ounces of mushies to a snitch..trust me we all wanted to beat his ass but in the long run its not worth it..karmas a bitch remember that he'll get his in due time the best/most mature thing you can do is make sure all your boys know who the snitch is but other than that don't get directly involved in anything because the cops will fuck you harder

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Re: How to repay a snitch. [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #12670360 - 06/02/10 01:19 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)


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Re: How to repay a snitch. [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #12674162 - 06/02/10 07:06 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: How to repay a snitch. [Re: Anonymous #5]
    #12676167 - 06/03/10 12:28 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: How to repay a snitch. [Re: drunkenlawngnome]
    #12677628 - 06/03/10 09:37 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Snitches wind up in ditches.

Back in the day where I grew up it wasn't uncommon for snitches to disappear.  Hard to say if they just disappeared for their own safety out of fear, or just plain disappeared.  But they usually didn't show back up.

Once or twice there were people found with burning tires around their necks.  That was kind of a sign about what happens to snitches.  Best if they just disappear IMHO.


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Re: How to repay a snitch. [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #12677655 - 06/03/10 09:45 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Anonymous #3 said:
karmas a bitch




This. Back in college an acquaintance of mine was caught with opium and rolled over on a friend of ours selling weed. A few days later, when we had all heard this story he started calling up everyone trying to get them to find him some weed :facepalm: Closest anyone came to exacting revenge was taking his money and smoking the weed. Never really knew what happened to him in the end - he lost all his friends and connections around here because of that whole deal so he moved back west.


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Re: How to repay a snitch. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #12677757 - 06/03/10 10:05 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

If you don't want to physically harm him, there's another option... but you must be 100% sure he was the one who snitched, or I can't approve of this:

Plant drugs on him or his house, and make an anonymous tip to the police that he's dealing to school kids.
Make sure you say you think he has illegal weapons too- they love that one. 

Within 2 days, I guarantee they will bust down his door and BAM! instant karma.
:awesome:

All completely theoretical, of course.

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Re: How to repay a snitch. [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #12679405 - 06/03/10 03:11 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Anonymous said:
Make sure you say you think he has illegal weapons too- they love that one.




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    #12680153 - 06/03/10 05:51 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

i was set up with an undercover cop by someone when i was 19 and got arrested with 3 other guys at once. in order to protect the person who set all of us up they lied to the other two and told them it was me, and i was in way deeper than the other two. in the year leading up to the trial my family and i were threatened by my former "friends". we would come home daily to messages on the machine about how they were going to come and kill all of us. we knew we weren't dealing with any sort of criminal masterminds seeing that they were leaving pretty damning evidence should something ever happen, but we also figured out that we might be dealing with people stupid enough to try something. for some time we had loaded weapons stashed around our house and were ready for anything. i followed my attorney's advice, laid low, and my trial came and went without incident and i got a 10 year probation sentence. 2 years after i was on probation i was jumped by one of the guys i was arrested with along with several of his friends. there were about four of them on me and they wrapped a chain around my neck and were trying to strangle me. i don't know how i got out of it but i did. my po instantly knew what happened when i reported the following week but i refused to press charges and they left me alone after that. 

the first thought that comes to mind is, how do you know this person set you up in the first place? the police routinely lie to protect their informants, and if they're telling you the name of an anyone, they are not an informant. furthermore, even if you are right in your suspicions, how is making trouble for this person going to improve your situation? the legal exposure, especially if you already have charges racked up against you, is simply not worth it. involving your friends in your mistakes will only bring them an equal amount of trouble, and intimidating a witness or causing physical harm to them is almost guaranteed prison time. the cops know who the informant is and if anything happens to them you and your friends will be the first person they'll be talking to.

what's the best way to deal with being set up by a snitch? you accept it and move on with your life. i'm 32 years old now, have already had my first career, partied through my 20's, fallen in love and gotten my heart broken, bought and sold property and have been halfway around the world and am now reinventing myself in the wake of my impending divorce. i'm not angry with the person who set me up. we were all just fucked up kids and honestly, getting arrested was the catalyst for getting my act together and becoming a functioning, productive member of society. against all odds i might add. when i was popped i had a ged and no formal training of any kind and was virtually unemployable because of the record i had just acquired. i capitalized on the skills i had and turned a 40 dollar a week job into a 12 year career in construction.

the system is fucked up and the police are the worst gang out there. they don't care who they hurt to get the rush they get from a bust. not feeding into their bullshit is the only way you can beat them. take your licks, analyze the decisions you've made that led you to getting busted in the first place and consider changing your behavior patterns to avoid future mistakes. if your attorney is worth his salt and you get probation you've gotta completely change the way you think and act if you're serious about surviving. probation is no joke and you need to be thinking 20 steps ahead at all times to get through it. re prioritize your life. don't throw it away over some macho code of the street bullshit. there is so much more to life than pride, and for better or worse it's out there waiting for you once you wise up.

hope that helps. it breaks my heart to see people caught up in this sort of thing.

Edited by millzy (06/03/10 05:57 PM)

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Re: How to repay a snitch. [Re: millzy]
    #12680273 - 06/03/10 06:14 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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not feeding into their bullshit is the only way you can beat them.




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Re: How to repay a snitch. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #12680652 - 06/03/10 07:23 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Or wait years, wait until THEY get out of it with a family and a mortgage.

THEN

Still not give a fuck.

Or get creative. Anyway, this seems ill-suited to this forum.




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Re: How to repay a snitch. [Re: millzy]
    #12680961 - 06/03/10 08:11 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

millzy  It is only half time you have another half of a life to live.

Make it good!


Quote:

millzy said:
i'm 32 years old now, have already had my first career, partied through my 20's, fallen in love and gotten my heart broken, bought and sold property and have been halfway around the world and am now reinventing myself in the wake of my impending divorce. i'm not angry with the person who set me up. we were all just fucked up kids and honestly, getting arrested was the catalyst for getting my act together and becoming a functioning, productive member of society. against all odds i might add. when i was popped i had a ged and no formal training of any kind and was virtually unemployable because of the record i had just acquired. i capitalized on the skills i had and turned a 40 dollar a week job into a 12 year career in construction.

hope that helps. it breaks my heart to see people caught up in this sort of thing.



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Re: How to repay a snitch. [Re: millzy]
    #12681814 - 06/03/10 10:25 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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millzy said:
i was set up with an undercover cop by someone when i was 19 and got arrested with 3 other guys at once. in order to protect the person who set all of us up they lied to the other two and told them it was me, and i was in way deeper than the other two. in the year leading up to the trial my family and i were threatened by my former "friends". we would come home daily to messages on the machine about how they were going to come and kill all of us. we knew we weren't dealing with any sort of criminal masterminds seeing that they were leaving pretty damning evidence should something ever happen, but we also figured out that we might be dealing with people stupid enough to try something. for some time we had loaded weapons stashed around our house and were ready for anything. i followed my attorney's advice, laid low, and my trial came and went without incident and i got a 10 year probation sentence. 2 years after i was on probation i was jumped by one of the guys i was arrested with along with several of his friends. there were about four of them on me and they wrapped a chain around my neck and were trying to strangle me. i don't know how i got out of it but i did. my po instantly knew what happened when i reported the following week but i refused to press charges and they left me alone after that. 

the first thought that comes to mind is, how do you know this person set you up in the first place? the police routinely lie to protect their informants, and if they're telling you the name of an anyone, they are not an informant. furthermore, even if you are right in your suspicions, how is making trouble for this person going to improve your situation? the legal exposure, especially if you already have charges racked up against you, is simply not worth it. involving your friends in your mistakes will only bring them an equal amount of trouble, and intimidating a witness or causing physical harm to them is almost guaranteed prison time. the cops know who the informant is and if anything happens to them you and your friends will be the first person they'll be talking to.

what's the best way to deal with being set up by a snitch? you accept it and move on with your life. i'm 32 years old now, have already had my first career, partied through my 20's, fallen in love and gotten my heart broken, bought and sold property and have been halfway around the world and am now reinventing myself in the wake of my impending divorce. i'm not angry with the person who set me up. we were all just fucked up kids and honestly, getting arrested was the catalyst for getting my act together and becoming a functioning, productive member of society. against all odds i might add. when i was popped i had a ged and no formal training of any kind and was virtually unemployable because of the record i had just acquired. i capitalized on the skills i had and turned a 40 dollar a week job into a 12 year career in construction.

the system is fucked up and the police are the worst gang out there. they don't care who they hurt to get the rush they get from a bust. not feeding into their bullshit is the only way you can beat them. take your licks, analyze the decisions you've made that led you to getting busted in the first place and consider changing your behavior patterns to avoid future mistakes. if your attorney is worth his salt and you get probation you've gotta completely change the way you think and act if you're serious about surviving. probation is no joke and you need to be thinking 20 steps ahead at all times to get through it. re prioritize your life. don't throw it away over some macho code of the street bullshit. there is so much more to life than pride, and for better or worse it's out there waiting for you once you wise up.

hope that helps. it breaks my heart to see people caught up in this sort of thing.





Wow... This is really an eye-opening post..

The thing is though, that how do these people learn their lesson?  It is just that how is this in any way fair?  Like I said in my post, me getting fucked from here on out is only 100% my fault.  I've made my mistakes and I'm going to deal with whatever comes my way.  It just breaks my heart to see such a good kid get screwed over by such a scum bag.

Your post obviously gives hope that their is a future for this kid (and myself), but sometimes closure is the only way to get over something, and there will never be closure in this situation until this kid pays for being the little bitch he is. 

I'm not exactly sure what I plan on doing, but it won't be violence, and it won't be dirty, it will be exposure for what this kid truly is.

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Re: How to repay a snitch. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #12682619 - 06/04/10 01:28 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

i know how angry you are. i felt betrayed from all sides. most importantly i felt completely powerless and utterly terrified. i was caught playing a game with stakes higher than i could ever conceive. exacting revenge on this person won't change your situation in any positive way. i think the only lesson you should be focusing on is the one you're learning right here and now. focus your energy into moving on from this and making a better life for yourself. that is the most proactive, adult thing you can be doing right now, and you owe it to yourself to step out of this juvenile circle of games that the government plays no small part in creating. the moustaches go home to their wife and kids every night to play the big hero and couldn't give a fuck about how your situation plays out. dead, alive, free or locked up; it's just business as usual. the ink on their little paychecks dries just the same. 

who wins if you beat each other down in the street with bats over this nonsense? they do. who wins if you're rotting in prison living far beneath your potential? they do. ultimately it's up to you to decide who wins, and from my vantage point the only way to win is to transcend the inhumanity of the system in which you have found yourself ensnared.

i don't know any of the details surrounding your bust, but what if the person you suspect is actually innocent? i was. what if you "exposed him for what he truly is" and someone else with something to prove murders him over it? innocent or not is that something you're prepared to have on your conscious? everyone gets their comeuppance. the universe has its own way of handling people like that and typically it doesn't like it when people step in to do its job.

think on it. it's only your life.

Edited by millzy (06/04/10 01:44 AM)

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Re: How to repay a snitch. [Re: millzy]
    #12682934 - 06/04/10 03:29 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I guess you can turn the other cheek or demand an eye for an eye.

Personally, I think it's pretty weak to let a narc slide like that.  Some people will let others steal from and betray themselves.  But if there is no order amongst men then society breaks down.  You are always responsible for yourself.  If you're in danger the cops will not arrive in time to save you.  If someone is stealing from you and you do nothing they will get away and the cops will not get your property back.

When you enter into a confidential deal where both parties know the punishment is your life, if there is not the threat of enforcement then order breaks down and men behave like animals.

Obviously you should be sure who the narc is.  There's plenty of ways to find out.  You'll find out at trial for one.  Otherwise check phone records, arrest records, etc.  There's a pretty damn limited number of people it could be so it should be easy to find out.

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Re: How to repay a snitch. [Re: Anonymous #8]
    #12683848 - 06/04/10 10:02 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Anonymous said:
I guess you can turn the other cheek or demand an eye for an eye.

Personally, I think it's pretty weak to let a narc slide like that.  Some people will let others steal from and betray themselves.  But if there is no order amongst men then society breaks down.  You are always responsible for yourself.  If you're in danger the cops will not arrive in time to save you.  If someone is stealing from you and you do nothing they will get away and the cops will not get your property back.

When you enter into a confidential deal where both parties know the punishment is your life, if there is not the threat of enforcement then order breaks down and men behave like animals.

Obviously you should be sure who the narc is.  There's plenty of ways to find out.  You'll find out at trial for one.  Otherwise check phone records, arrest records, etc.  There's a pretty damn limited number of people it could be so it should be easy to find out.




this isn't turning the other cheek because you want the world to be full of peace and love, this is making a conscious decision to not engage in any behavior that will increase your legal exposure. that's not weakness brother, that's intelligence. the person who is the alleged snitch didn't murder anyone or cause anyone to be murdered, so eye for an eye doesn't apply in the context you presented it in. i'll also add that you will never definitively find out who the informant is in court. that information is typically only accessible to a judge and the arresting officers, and the judges have to make a special request to view that information (at least in the state of texas according to my attorney). informants typically don't testify in court. the cops already have enough evidence to convict you unless this is some sort of huge rico case, which i'm highly doubtful of considering that you're asking the internet for advice on how to handle this. in my case it was pretty cut and dry who did it because it was a guy i knew asking if he could give my number to a person who turned out being an undercover. like i said i don't know your situation, and even if it's a no brainer like mine, going after this person will not serve your best interests in any way.

i don't know you from adam, but i don't want to see you end up in prison, especially over some stupid shit that could've been easily avoided. i hope my insight, which is solely derived from experience, is helpful and causes you to take a step back and look at your circumstances in a bigger picture sort of way. move on and learn your lesson. that's what a truly strong person does in my opinion.


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Re: How to repay a snitch. [Re: millzy]
    #12683876 - 06/04/10 10:08 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I understand... But you may be missing something here.  The snitch didn't get me, the snitch got a very good friend of mine, and got him kicked out of school.  I just got in the crossfire, and if it weren't for my plain lazy, stupid, pothead self I never would have gotten in trouble.  This isn't about redemption for myself, this is about redemption for a kid who got fucked by a kid who claimed to be his friend, and hasn't changed his ways at all, and would do this type of thing again.

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Re: How to repay a snitch. [Re: millzy]
    #12683886 - 06/04/10 10:09 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

also, to touch back on what i posted earlier this morning, even if you go the non violent route to expose this person you believe to be the informant, i'm not 100% on that but i'm pretty sure that's a crime in itself. if you spread rumors that lead to someone getting hurt it could splash back on you. you really need to think about all of this on a level that you probably haven't ever had to think before. i'm not calling you stupid by any means. i'm just pointing out that it's very easy to let your pride and your anger take control under circumstances such as yours and you need to see that in order to survive.


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