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Legal Religious Exemptions
    #11046914 - 09/12/09 02:50 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Hi I recently got busted while driving and I had around two ounces of fresh ban phang ka shrooms in three different bags. I live in Colorado.
I grew the shrooms myself and had weighed them into three doses to take during the next three days as a spiritual tool on private land which was where I was headed. So they also found scales. The charges are possession of a schedule one substance; possession with intent to distribute a schedule one substance and paraphernalia. I know Colorado has some kind of exemption or loophole in the law for this sort of practice on private land. Does anyone know of how I should approach this. I am not a native American (American Indian). However I am a natural born US Citizen


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Curtis

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Re: Legal Religious Exemptions [Re: curtis594]
    #11047167 - 09/12/09 03:54 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Im am native, if i were in that situation, i would get a good lawyer.


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Re: Legal Religious Exemptions [Re: stedenko]
    #11047182 - 09/12/09 03:57 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Get a lawyer man, I am relatively confident that with a good lawyer you might be able to get off this.


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Re: Legal Religious Exemptions [Re: 2Cents]
    #11047250 - 09/12/09 04:14 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

This should be in security and safety.

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Re: Legal Religious Exemptions [Re: curtis594]
    #11047443 - 09/12/09 05:00 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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curtis594 said:
Hi I recently got busted while driving
I know Colorado has some kind of exemption or loophole in the law for this sort of practice on private land.





there are no exemptions for religious use of mushrooms or marijuana and
as you were busted while driving you were not on private land, you were
on public roads... as everyone else has said... get a lawyer

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Re: Legal Religious Exemptions [Re: curtis594]
    #11050984 - 09/13/09 09:51 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks,

I am trying to get a lawyer the only one I have found around here that would work with my financial situation. (my bond was $20,000) I talked to her and told her my exact situation and she physically started shaking and her quivering words were. I I I d-d-don't think I can he-e-eelp you. So I thanked her for her honesty and left.

I am doing my own research at this point to see what this thing is worth to me. If my case sets a precedence on this matter then have one on me.


I know this fascination with my spirituality and hallucinogens has been going on for a long time since i was about 14 and I first attempted to grow the fruit of the gods. I am 27 now. The court has the option and could be pre-arranged in a plea bargain to send me to rehab and the charge would never be on my record if I complied. The problems with this solution are that:

1. I would lose my job
2. I have a very deep and trusting relationship with a woman that I am not ready to throw away.... How is she supposed to wait faithfully for papa and how will I sleep at night knowing I have left her to fend for herself...

3. The point I was making about making a precedence. It has been too long running that Americans get walked all over by the judicial branch. It starts at the legislature and goes all the way down to the enforcement and judgment of law that violate the very land that we lay our civilization. The common large psilocybe has been growing on our continent and our country long before any of this double standard ruthless gangster style of politics was introduced. And who are they to condemn the natural organic cycle of life or the people who consciously choose to use it to their benefit.


If I can find a way I want to start an organization that works within the laws to provide sanctity to those seeking a better understanding of deeper and higher things as well as the life giving earth. The Peyote Way Church of God has establish a way for any US citizen to approach this type of spirituality. They are out of Arizona and they mention some well thought out legal exemptions which also apply in Colorado.

The catch as pointed out is that I was on public roads, lawyers today are as scared as the rest of us, and the clincher is that it has to be part of a bona fide religious organization.

At the time I was interested in shamanism and training to be a shaman. I know this may not exactly be necessary but is religion exactly the same to anyone even in the same religious organization or church. I intended to seek knowledge of myself and the space both sacred and profane in the area where I lived.

If anyone knows more about the topics discussed here I will listen. I am as far from the truth as I am from free.

This is a quick definition and does not necessarily include all variations of the word nor does the law. I think this will help those of you giving me advise to understand the mission at hand.  :

Shamanism is based on the premise that the visible world is pervaded by invisible forces or spirits which affect the lives of the living. Shamanism requires individualized knowledge and special abilities and operate outside established religions. Many shamans operate alone, although some take on an apprentice. Shamans can gather into associations, as Indian tartaric practitioners have done

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Re: Legal Religious Exemptions [Re: curtis594]
    #11051155 - 09/13/09 10:31 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

you'd have a better shot with jury nullification than claiming religious
use, you mentioned precedents and there's been a number of them already
set regarding other drugs and mushrooms as of yet no one has won the case
other than a few injuns regarding the well documented religious use of
peyote and even then there's plenty of arrests and convictions against
those claiming religious use

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Re: Legal Religious Exemptions [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #11056383 - 09/14/09 07:34 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Good call on the jury nullification.

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Re: Legal Religious Exemptions [Re: curtis594]
    #11056571 - 09/14/09 08:46 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Get a REAL lawyer...don't dick around with religious exemptions or jury nullification BS - those NEVER work.  You are NOT the first guy caught with mushrooms and scales.  They will chew you up and spit you out if you try and fuck around. Spend the money - sucks but well worth it  - with a good lawyer and no prevs you will likely be fine  - probation plus fined.


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Re: Legal Religious Exemptions [Re: Radar]
    #11069769 - 09/16/09 12:11 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I do have previous I was a month into a four year felony deffered sentence for weed distribution. So they are revoking that one and charging me with two more fellonies. I talked to a lawyer today but it wasn't a good experience he said I will probably end up with two felonies and some county jail time.

Can I cancel my citizenship? With two felonies I am too high of a risk and damn sure I will get that habitual offender before long. Plus who wants to live in a country where the cops harrass me for my religious beliefs.

They don't even have to pay to deport me just take me to the ocean an I will swim stupid fucking bitches. You can bomb the world to peices but you cant bomb the world into peace. The earth is on fire and it is because of shit like this. when satin's grasp loosens these fuckers are gonna get it. God is watching and knows they are lieing to themselves. She is pissed but will love them anyway when they find out what is real they are going to shit themselves first and burn in hell because they disrespected what is sacred and if you think i am pscycho now wait till you see me smiling while you burn.

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Re: Legal Religious Exemptions [Re: curtis594]
    #11069833 - 09/16/09 12:21 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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curtis594 said:
I do have previous I was a month into a four year felony deffered sentence for weed distribution. So they are revoking that one and charging me with two more fellonies. I talked to a lawyer today but it wasn't a good experience he said I will probably end up with two felonies and some county jail time.

Can I cancel my citizenship? With two felonies I am too high of a risk and damn sure I will get that habitual offender before long. Plus who wants to live in a country where the cops harrass me for my religious beliefs.

They don't even have to pay to deport me just take me to the ocean an I will swim stupid fucking bitches. You can bomb the world to peices but you cant bomb the world into peace. The earth is on fire and it is because of shit like this. when satin's grasp loosens these fuckers are gonna get it. God is watching and knows they are lieing to themselves. She is pissed but will love them anyway when they find out what is real they are going to shit themselves first and burn in hell because they disrespected what is sacred and if you think i am pscycho now wait till you see me smiling while you burn.




Are you talking first offender probation on four years?


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Re: Legal Religious Exemptions [Re: stedenko]
    #11369559 - 11/02/09 02:01 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Yes I am on first offender probation right now for marijusna distribution. I broke that probation and they are revoking it now. I allready pled guilty to the marijuana distribution. So now I am charged with two new felonies: Possesion of a schedule one, and possesion of a schedule one with intent to distribute. A total of three felonies counting the revocation. My goal here is to evade felonie charges. I make a good insanity case... As do most people here, but they are offering me deals that involve one strike and a little jail time in County. I asked them to bend over so I could stick the deal up their ass...

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Re: Legal Religious Exemptions [Re: curtis594]
    #12596875 - 05/20/10 09:04 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Just a follow up. The offender curtis594 paid $200/hour for a lawyer. Worked with his probation officer, got lots of good references, and declined any plea deals that would make him a felon or send him to prison. He was sentenced to 134 hours of community service, 30 days in county jail on weekends of his choice, and 4 years of intense supervised probation ran concurrent with his previous probation. If he doesn't re offend for four years all of this will go away forever with not that much cost. If he does he has two felony strikes. Oh yeah and about 10,000 dollars in court fines on top of lawyer fees.

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Re: Legal Religious Exemptions [Re: bigbrad]
    #12596888 - 05/20/10 09:10 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Religious exemptions are out there, but the fact that it was on a hiway makes it impossible to prove without a doubt that it was for my own religious use. Schedule one hallucinogens could have a case in certain states, Colorado being one. Only if some documentation is present before the trip of intentions expectations and goals of the trip, it has to be on private land, and you can't distribute it.

Another thought is diplomatic immunity. Just because they want you to be a citizen of their country doesn't mean you have to accept it. As a shaman of the earth you don't have to comply with the laws of any country, especially victimless crimes.

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Re: Legal Religious Exemptions [Re: bigbrad]
    #12596975 - 05/20/10 09:29 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

your fucked. NEVER carry a scale! if your gonna travel with shrooms maybe put them an an old portabella case in a shopping bag with some veggies? :shrug:

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Re: Legal Religious Exemptions [Re: jim617]
    #12667514 - 06/01/10 04:28 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

brilliant idea. after a while you just pack lube around and take your fukings. Playing victim helps a lot being how it's  a victimless crime. Only seen as evil in nature. Hey denounce your religion I'm no martyr that's for sure. Sometimes you just smile and nod no matter how much they dis your biggest and best achievement. Shrooms aren't evil or dangerous given that they are used in the right  manner. The key is education and spreading knowledge instead of the cancer known as ignorance and assumption. That's what shroomin and mycology is all about.

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