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AlexD
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Would you support legalizing all drugs or there are some exceptions?
#12665175 - 06/01/10 06:29 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pot, shrooms and other psychedelics are definitely out of question for me. One sane reason to keep a drug illegal is its potential to provoke violence. PCP has been reported to induce violent psychosis. However alcohol is probably much worse in that regard but it still sounds silly to make it illegal. So then what legalize all of them?
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Re: Would you support legalizing all drugs or there are some exceptions? [Re: AlexD]
#12665192 - 06/01/10 06:39 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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all drugs need to be legal, let the individual decide what they want to do with their body.
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Re: Would you support legalizing all drugs or there are some exceptions? [Re: AlexD]
#12665197 - 06/01/10 06:40 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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This is something I think about all the time... I don't think it would work because people are to stupid to have the self control. But i'd seriously be all for it.
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Re: Would you support legalizing all drugs or there are some exceptions? [Re: bezoo69]
#12665244 - 06/01/10 07:05 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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all drugs need to be legal, let the individual decide what they want to do with their body.
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Re: Would you support legalizing all drugs or there are some exceptions? [Re: ShroomerRoss]
#12665266 - 06/01/10 07:14 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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ShroomerRoss said: all drugs need to be legal, let the individual decide what they want to do with their body.
Agree. Just don't ask me to pay for your problems if you screw yourself up.
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Re: Would you support legalizing all drugs or there are some exceptions? [Re: Seuss]
#12665481 - 06/01/10 08:45 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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ShroomerRoss said: all drugs need to be legal, let the individual decide what they want to do with their body.
Agree. Just don't ask me to pay for your problems if you screw yourself up.
Indeed. Citing individual stupidity, as bezoo did, creates infants of us all. I am not stupid. Why should my freedoms be limited because someone else is?
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Re: Would you support legalizing all drugs or there are some exceptions? [Re: zappaisgod]
#12665512 - 06/01/10 08:57 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Indeed. Citing individual stupidity, as bezoo did, creates infants of us all. I am not stupid. Why should my freedoms be limited because someone else is?
Well said. Also, I think that if alcohol is legal, you can pretty much laugh off any attempt at a harm-reduction argument for making other drugs illegal.
Oh, and the thing about PCP is mostly urban legend. It's not any more likely to cause violence than beer or a large coffee.
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Re: Would you support legalizing all drugs or there are some exceptions? [Re: zappaisgod]
#12665688 - 06/01/10 10:01 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Indeed. Citing individual stupidity, as bezoo did, creates infants of us all. I am not stupid. Why should my freedoms be limited because someone else is?
Because there is no way for ban it just for stupid people? I don't think there is yet any substance that merits that, but still if there is some drug that makes any violent individual go into murderous rage it should be banned in my opinion.
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Oh, and the thing about PCP is mostly urban legend. It's not any more likely to cause violence than beer or a large coffee.
I don't know. It may be no more likely to cause violence than alcohol, but I never saw cops bust someone that violent on any other drug.
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Re: Would you support legalizing all drugs or there are some exceptions? [Re: AlexD]
#12665969 - 06/01/10 11:08 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Indeed. Citing individual stupidity, as bezoo did, creates infants of us all. I am not stupid. Why should my freedoms be limited because someone else is?
Because there is no way for ban it just for stupid people? I don't think there is yet any substance that merits that, but still if there is some drug that makes any violent individual go into murderous rage it should be banned in my opinion.
No. The violent individual should be banned. Preferably to some uncharted desert island.Quote:
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Oh, and the thing about PCP is mostly urban legend. It's not any more likely to cause violence than beer or a large coffee.
I don't know. It may be no more likely to cause violence than alcohol, but I never saw cops bust someone that violent on any other drug.
Really? Drunks get belligerant all the time. They just fall down more.
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Re: Would you support legalizing all drugs or there are some exceptions? [Re: zappaisgod]
#12666132 - 06/01/10 11:38 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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No. The violent individual should be banned. Preferably to some uncharted desert island.
But you can't do that. Even if we send all violent felons to an island a majority of violent dudes will still roam the streets. And if some drug makes even 10% of them attack everything they see, it probably should be banned.
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Really? Drunks get belligerant all the time. They just fall down more.
Yeah I know about drunks. I meant beside that.
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Re: Would you support legalizing all drugs or there are some exceptions? [Re: zappaisgod]
#12668218 - 06/01/10 06:29 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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ShroomerRoss said: all drugs need to be legal, let the individual decide what they want to do with their body.
Agree. Just don't ask me to pay for your problems if you screw yourself up.
Indeed. Citing individual stupidity, as bezoo did, creates infants of us all. I am not stupid. Why should my freedoms be limited because someone else is?
eh whatever, wait untill junkies rob you for meth money
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Re: Would you support legalizing all drugs or there are some exceptions? [Re: bezoo69]
#12672936 - 06/02/10 03:12 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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ShroomerRoss said: all drugs need to be legal, let the individual decide what they want to do with their body.
Agree. Just don't ask me to pay for your problems if you screw yourself up.
Indeed. Citing individual stupidity, as bezoo did, creates infants of us all. I am not stupid. Why should my freedoms be limited because someone else is?
eh whatever, wait untill junkies rob you for meth money
Exception that proves the rule. If it wasn't for meth being illegal, it would be cheap and available, so no one would need to rob. When was the last time you saw someone get robbed for tobacco money? Sounds silly, doesn't it?
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Re: Would you support legalizing all drugs or there are some exceptions? [Re: drewmandan]
#12731835 - 06/12/10 03:02 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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After reading this http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4090712 I would totally legalize all drugs with some regulations on purity.
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Re: Would you support legalizing all drugs or there are some exceptions? [Re: GI_Luvmoney]
#12758656 - 06/17/10 03:41 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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yes, all drugs should be legalized.
a question for people that think hard drugs like crack, heroin, and meth should remain illegal, if they were legal would you run to the nearest store buy it and start using? if no why not? do you really think you're so much smarter than everyone else?
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Re: Would you support legalizing all drugs or there are some exceptions? [Re: John]
#12782227 - 06/21/10 11:56 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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John said: yes, all drugs should be legalized.
a question for people that think hard drugs like crack, heroin, and meth should remain illegal, if they were legal would you run to the nearest store buy it and start using? if no why not? do you really think you're so much smarter than everyone else? 
Exactly.
Plus, one thing that's really hard to explain to people against certain drugs (especially when they've had some bad personal experience with them) is the fact that things like heroin, cocaine and meth are drugs created and marketed on the street. They are "street drugs", whose wide availability is due to their illegality (thus they are unregulated) and are much more potent versions of their natural counterparts.
Now, opium is still dangerous, but nowhere near as much as street heroin. There are pharmaceutical opioids that are just about as potent (such as Fentanyl). People don't really have access to those, though, because they're highly regulated in a legal market (a very strict one that limits users in accordance to a physicians discretion, rather than a drug lord's). Accordingly, while still abuse-able, the pharmaceutical's rate of abuse is always going to be less than that of an unregulated street drug. However, you do reduce the possibility of violent crime when you make something like heroin freely accessible for addicts like in Holland (and, personally, I find the American concept of using methadone as an alternative pretty asinine).
Also, something like cocaine, while it has a high potential for abuse, is actually fairly harmless in its natural form (the coca plant). It's really only as the smokable street drug "crack" that it can pose much of a danger to large numbers of people (especially when a government agency is outright distributing it... ~cough~ CIA ~cough~). I don't think the "moral majority" of the 80s really understood that through sensationalizing such a drug's abuse, they implanted a neurotic attitude in parents that made youth all the more likely to defy them. Had these things not happened, though, cocaine probably wouldn't have emerged onto the black market with the same level of viciousness. Plus, unlike opium, regular cocaine seems to take much longer to addict physically. I know of plenty of people who have used it a few times throughout their lives and still would rather not use it.
As for crystal meth... well... considering it's a fairly recent phenomenon with recent generations, my estimation is that you would have far less people abusing it had they not been first introduced to its sibling, Methylphenidate (Ritalin) in their youth. Not to mention, very few people would probably be using it at all if they had the alternative of using a safer, traditional psychedelic instead.
Which brings me to my next point: People have to take into account the amount of times misinformation on certain drugs has led people to use/abuse harder drugs. In a population where drug laws are created with non-threatening and rational attitudes behind them (along with a fair amount of access to truthful information), individuals are far more likely to avoid harmful drugs. Imagine- someone in a position of authority explains the pros-cons of using crystal Meth or PCP vs LSD or Mescaline. Which do you think is going to sound more like the "rational choice" if one has already decided they're interested in altered states of consciousness? A solid, real world example of this is the recent phenomenon of Marijuana being used as a painkiller in the place of the more addicting and dangerous opiates. The benefit of doing something like this is especially great when the subject in question is likely to overindulge in their medication for whatever reason.
Sure, there are a few insane jerks out there who will do whatever they want regardless of the consequences. But these are usually the sort of people to which no law can protect from in a preventative sense. On the other hand, there are a fair amount of people who would, no doubt, be in a better position had their fascination with drug-induced consciousnesses been guided by a wiser sort of individual or collection of individuals (this site) with vast experience and/or knowledge in said subject.
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Re: Would you support legalizing all drugs or there are some exceptions? [Re: AlexD]
#13049969 - 08/14/10 10:22 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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I might support having highly addictive drugs being regulated by physicians. It could be like you have to pay for it yourself but the physician prescribes you safe doses and amounts. It would also be much easier for people to get off of things they were addicted to like this. But even then I am in support of all drug legalization. It just creates crime, and if you were to truly educate people on all drugs I think the vast majority would be able to control use.
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Re: Would you support legalizing all drugs or there are some exceptions? [Re: 4896744]
#13450523 - 11/07/10 08:02 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have read a good deal about the “drug war” and I have never gained the impression it does anything to help people.
Alcohol and tobacco are the most dangerous legal drugs, though tobacco use has been reduced by a large number of campaigns and high excise taxation. Whilst tobacco has been shown to be in some ways very dangerous due to the presence of nicotine, and alcohol in excess is known to be similarly dangerous, I recall as a child reading that moderate doses of alcohol can in fact be beneficial. The same is apparently true of most hallucinogenic drugs. Thus, it can be said that hallucinogens really should in general at least be fully legalised.
On the other hand, at times I think some drugs, especially performance-enhancing drugs, actually should be much more regulated than they actually are. People who deal in steroids to athletes are, as the story of Korey Stringer may show, just as dangerous as any dealer in more heavily proscribed drugs. Whilst steroids - like narcotics - do have medicinal uses, it is questionable what would happen without regulation of them. There could well be even more nasty results if there was no shame attached to the use of steroids by athletes.
On the other hand, people like Hans Hoppe argue that government regulation is counterproductive in dealing with the problem of steroids. This school says that the way to deal with drug problems is to eliminate the welfare-based public sector so that people stop focusing on instant gratification and pleasure and instead work towards long-term happiness and productivity. If this is so, then outlawing drugs does even less to deal with the problem of an angry, hostile society that reacts with depressants or aggressive stimulants when its people do not get exactly what they want when they want it.
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Re: Would you support legalizing all drugs or there are some exceptions? [Re: mianfei]
#13546640 - 11/27/10 01:25 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Here is what i would do. I'd fully legalize all natural plants fungi etc that are used as drugs. If sold for human consumption these materials would have to be regulated to ensure safe consumption. A minimum requirement would be so as to educate on: expected effects, side effects, safe dose, effect duration, interactions, and a minimum guarantee of dose quantity and purity, this would especially apply to synthetic drugs like LSD, MDMA, etc. Strong narcotics and stimulants such as cocaine and meth should be by doctor's prescription, or by a waiver issued by a druggist. Under no circumstances should someone be sent to prison for drug use in and of itself. Though supplying drugs to minors without the parent's permission would be a serious crime.
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Re: Would you support legalizing all drugs or there are some exceptions? [Re: John]
#13611237 - 12/10/10 05:47 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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The question of whether, if hard drugs like cocaine, amphetamines and heroin were outright legal, people would quite naturally go into a store and buy them is an interesting question.
Standard history books like William Strauss and Neil Howe’s Generations seem to suggest that many people in the late nineteenth century did in fact buy cocaine at first sight without acquiring the slightest knowledge of what that drug does. I have read that there was among reformists of the early 1900s alarm that youth were trying drugs like cocaine - I once read it was in the original “Coca Cola” and the source of its name - with the result that the Progressive movement almost uniformly wanted criminalisation of the drug.
The question is whether criminalisation of hard drugs really has made them more dangerous than they would be if people were allowed to use them. Their generally highly addictive character means that, with the massively increased price from criminalisation, that those who do try them despite their being illegal will resort to far worse activity than taking these drugs to get the money unless they are (which of course many narcotic addicts are) super-rich.
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Re: Would you support legalizing all drugs or there are some exceptions? [Re: mianfei]
#13641446 - 12/16/10 11:10 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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I would support the legalization of all drugs. If we are all truly to have free will, allow us to exercise it..people are aware of the consequences of their actions, and ultimately it should be a personal decision..being criminalized for enriching our lives is tiresome.
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