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hamloaf
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Spent and Contaminated Substrates? Here's a Solution!
#12663882 - 05/31/10 10:20 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Take that/those spent and contaminated substrate(s) out to country or rural area and dump them under a shady tree. Cover them up with leaves or grass (just what ever organic material you can find laying around to provide that micro climate of humidity underneath the orgnic material) like a casing layer for your spent or contaminated substrate(s), then soak with water every couple of days. If you live in a major metropolitan area, where from, it would not be convenient for you to get out to your spent and contaminated substrate mushroom patch every couple of days to water, check your local news weather forecast. Plan on planting them a day or two before a rain hits. Check them one to two days after the rain stops. Or if you live in a country that allows you to do this; dump spent and contaminated substrate(s) out in your back yard under a shady tree. This way you can be sure to give them a daily watering with out having to drive far. Or you could dump them in a bed of soil. Just be sure to place a casing of grass clippings or leaves. Be creative. Do your own research. You may find the results of your studies to be quite rewarding and revealing.

Edited by liquidmyce (02/21/15 07:19 AM)
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: hamloaf]
#12664052 - 05/31/10 10:59 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Great post, Ive only gotten lucky once
but Im always trying
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: Pscientist]
#12664474 - 06/01/10 12:35 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'll be doing this soon! I just need some spent substrates..all mine are colonizing right now.
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: scatmanrav]
#12665587 - 06/01/10 09:29 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pscientist and Scat,
I would encourage you both to keep trying. The results of your research will be both rewarding and more importantly, in my opinion, revealing.
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: hamloaf]
#12665842 - 06/01/10 10:46 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've only done it in the winter and always got a cold snap shortly after, killing everything.
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: gornyhuy]
#12665862 - 06/01/10 10:52 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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cool pix.. i always throw my spent trays out under these near by bushes.. and especially after it rains, i find great surprises
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: evildee125]
#12665877 - 06/01/10 10:54 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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I did this, and never went back to check on them, assumed they died Texas coast is a good climate though, I'm sure I could do this in the future
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: Moetsukiru]
#12666094 - 06/01/10 11:32 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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This is a great idea! I always toss them into the garden and sometimes afterwards I wish I'd have left my subs in the GH for another couple of days. I've tossed a few outside that flushed almost a good Oz.!
Now if I could just get my dog to stop peeing in my flower beds.
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: KillaFoRilla]
#12666099 - 06/01/10 11:33 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: Moetsukiru]
#12666318 - 06/01/10 12:14 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Word Dood. I've tried this before and didn't cover it. The patch is still consumed with mycelium. I bought a 40 lbs bag of cow poo to cover it and make another larger patch. It's hotter than hell here though. Do you think this will effect the growing process?
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: dangermike78]
#12667286 - 06/01/10 03:35 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Your myc may have been cooked. Do you have your substrate(s) in an area that is out of direct sunlight and did you keep the substrate(s) hydrated?
Other than that, sounds good to me. Research has found that cubes prefer to fruit in lower temperatures, the heat will have little affect. They will still grow. It is more important to keep your colonizing medium out of direct sunlight if your area is hotter than hell right now. Also place a bed of leaves or grass clippings over your colonizing bed and this will keep the humidity underneath the grass clippings or leaves within proper growth parameter range. Water. Plenty of water. Water once a day do keep your bed properly hydrated for your warmer temperatures. Research indicates that watering in the morning is the best time so the humidity can be released all day from a morning watering.
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: hamloaf]
#12667362 - 06/01/10 03:50 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Word Dood I'm on it. I think I'm gonna cheat and use plastic to cover it. They're in a very shaded/partial woods spot. I was just letting the rain take care of the watering,but now I'll quit being lazy and water them in the morning. Do you have any outdoor beds right now? If they can make it there, I'm sure they'll make it here.
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: hamloaf]
#12667502 - 06/01/10 04:27 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Maybe i'm just lucky.... but everything i've put outside has eventually done something. I threw some moldy subs out under a tree in like early march and we had several times that the temperature went below freezing. Some animal dug through them in the months previous and spread it all out... but i've since gotten a small handfull (at least a mild trips worth) every time i've gone out to look.
Instead of disposing of spent/contaminated substrates i DEFINATELY second the notion of putting them outside somewhere to fruit. In fact the largest fruit i've ever harvested came from my compost pile at my old place... it had a cap about 8 inches across!!!
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: dangermike78]
#12668228 - 06/01/10 06:31 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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dangermike78 said: I think I'm gonna cheat and use plastic to cover it.
I don't know about the plastic, Mike. Wouldn't that restrict FAE and maybe trap heat as well?
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: Shaggy Shaman]
#12671083 - 06/02/10 07:48 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, I was thinking that by temporarily covering it after I covered it with cow poo, it would help it colonize faster and protect it from further outdoor contams. I was using Bluelou as reference. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=61&Number=4304709&fpart=1&PHPSESSID=
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: Shaggy Shaman]
#12671137 - 06/02/10 08:14 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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dangermike78 said: I think I'm gonna cheat and use plastic to cover it.
I don't know about the plastic, Mike. Wouldn't that restrict FAE and maybe trap heat as well?
For fruiting conditions, yes that would restrict fresh air exchange and trap in heat as well. What Mike is talking about is running mycelium through cow manure to become fully colonized then introduce into fruiting conditions. Much like you would your grain spawn jars/bags or brown rice flour cakes. Actually this is a good plan for the colonizing of your mycelium to your cow manure. Like incubating your grain spawn in jars in your home. Temporarily covering your bed with a sheet of plastic with a few holes to allow for gases to exchange, while your mycelium is colonizing you cow manure is a good plan. Of coarse, once your mycelium fully colonizes your cow manure, to introduce your substrate into fruiting conditions you will simply pull the plastic off and your substrate and your substrate will begin receiving proper pinning triggers. Easy. Drop in temperature, increased light, superfluous fresh air exchange and humidity raising from your sub. This is where adding a layer of organic material comes into work, and a once a day watering in the morning.
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: Shaggy Shaman]
#12673099 - 06/02/10 03:49 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Visited the mushroom patch this morning and harvested. Spores were allowed to drop before fruits were picked to see if any perpetuation of the specie would or could be achieved by spore germination for microscopic research only. Here is a look at the test sight right before the fruiting bodies were picked for research purposes only.

Closer examination;

Field case study results;
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: hamloaf]
#12673174 - 06/02/10 04:04 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Very nice work Ham! I'm impressed with the amount of fruit you harvested. Nice big clusters. Species? Total weight?
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: dangermike78]
#12673931 - 06/02/10 06:25 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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BHT. 1074 wet.
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: hamloaf]
#12677213 - 06/03/10 07:41 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Damn!! That is a hell of a success story! Nice job.
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: gornyhuy]
#12679267 - 06/03/10 02:54 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thank you gornyhuy,
Just got back from the patch. There was a rain here this morning so I though I would run by the patch to see what's up after yesterday. Yesterday I picked the sucker clean and was shocked to find, as I was approaching the patch it's self, several mushroom heads poking through the grass clippings cover. I pulled the grass away and found this.


I must admit I am a little stoked. I expected them to do something but I never expected anything like this. Gonna let these drop their spores then pick em'.
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: hamloaf]
#12679389 - 06/03/10 03:10 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's amazing how well those guys fruit out in their almost natural environment. An overnight success indeed. I think your patch will be flushing for a while to come. Good work holmes
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: dangermike78]
#12686949 - 06/04/10 06:01 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: hamloaf]
#12686991 - 06/04/10 06:09 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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I did that last week and now they are covered in pill bugs. Maybe I should've put them in a different location.
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: Interrobang]
#12692127 - 06/05/10 03:18 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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What are pill bugs and what location did you have your spent substrates in? I place my spent substrates under a tree as to not expose the spent or contaminated substrate to direct sunlight. Did you place your substrates in direct sunlight? You will have better results if you do not place your spent or contaminated substrates in direct sunlight.
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: hamloaf]
#12692265 - 06/05/10 03:40 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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These are pill bugs: http://possumpatty.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/rolypoly.16752309.jpg also referred to as rollypollies or potato bugs... maybe these are region names for the create. I live in the Midwest. They're badass little guys though: when they get scared they curl their shells and form a tight little ball.
Anyway, I just carelessly threw it in some plants next to my house. It isn't covered with anything, but the plants/weeds cover it from direct sunlight. I don't really care what happens to it; I just figured I'd give some nutrients to the earth. Now it's got slugs all over it. At least they'll get good trips.
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: Interrobang]
#12694231 - 06/05/10 10:30 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pill bugs are known for eating leaf decay and plant matter. I haven't read anything about them eating mycelium, but they do eat tender roots. So they might give it ago. Pill bugs are a crustacean and have gills. Isopods. There's a fun word. And slugs? Fuck slugs, they eat everything.
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: Interrobang]
#12696142 - 06/06/10 09:37 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Interrobang said: These are pill bugs: http://possumpatty.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/rolypoly.16752309.jpg also referred to as rollypollies or potato bugs... maybe these are region names for the create. I live in the Midwest. They're badass little guys though: when they get scared they curl their shells and form a tight little ball.
Anyway, I just carelessly threw it in some plants next to my house. It isn't covered with anything, but the plants/weeds cover it from direct sunlight. I don't really care what happens to it; I just figured I'd give some nutrients to the earth. Now it's got slugs all over it. At least they'll get good trips.
Where I am from those are referred to as potato bugs. Where I am at now they are referred to as rollypollies. Thanks for taking so much time on the explaination of potato bugs for me. Those little guys are currently crawling all through and around this substrate. Between the potato bugs and the substrate, the relationship seems symbiotic. I have not discovered and problems due to the potato bugs inhabitation.
Instead of carelessly throwing your sub in some plants next to your house you could have just as easily placed you substrate under a tree in a shady area and covered your substrate with organic matter to get that micro climate of humidity going and water once everyday. or 2 in the morning. You research would have definitely been revealing as well as rewarding. Shoulda, woulda, coulda.
Deva 1 had an intentional mushroom patch outdoors at one time. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4563577/fpart/all/vc/1
She believes that if you create a balanced healthy enviroment, your crops are naturally resistant to pathogen and pest invaders. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4614772#4614772
My research reveals these findings as well. There are no other insect invaders or other pests of any kinds, animals ect and this patch is in the country.
These are form the patch yesterday morning!
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: hamloaf]
#12696234 - 06/06/10 10:09 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'd actually been planning on trying this once my current grow is done so its good to see the level of success you're having.
Can I ask what volume of substrate it took to get such results? and whether you actually buried it in the soil (presume shallowly) or just dropped it on the ground & covered in leaves/grass? I had been digging the garden so I'd been thinking of lightly burying substrate mixed in with normal soil & compost.
Would this work with grain/WBS? as I'd always thought it'd be inviting vermin.
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: BlueDruid]
#12699430 - 06/06/10 08:03 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just drop the substrate(s) on the ground after crumbling the substrate(s) up @ about 40-50 %. Simply cover in grass and water heavily to create that micro climate of humidity releasing from your substrate(s) for fruiting. The number 1 pinning trigger. Place substrate under a tree to keep out of direct sunlight. Temperature does not seem to be to much of an issue. The temperature has been climbing above 90 degrees ferinheight during the day for the last several days.
Don't bury your substrate or cover it with regular soil & compost. Just place your substrate(s) on the ground and if you wanted to further colonize your substrate outdoors, use coir or manure. Cover your colonized grains or colonized spent substrate(s) with a mound of coir or manure. Then place a sheet of plastic with holes slashed or poked into the sheet of plastic to allow for gases to exchange until fully colonized. Then once fully colonized, remove plastic and cover with an organic material.
If you were gonna do an out door patch starting from grain spawn. You will want to construct you a bed and raise it off of the ground with cinder blocks or bricks. Then spawn your grains to a bulk substrate such as coir or manure. Inoculate using a 1:1-4 spawn ratio. Use the sheet of plastic method as described earlier to colonize your outdoor mushroom bed's substrate. Don't forget to keep your outdoor mushroom patch moist using regular tap water.
As far as inviting vermin is concerned, Deva 1 found in her out door mushroom patch research that if you create a balanced healthy enviroment, your crops are naturally resistant to pathogen and pest invaders. Research concludes these same findings. Existing patch has potato bugs living in it. They are not causing any problems as far as research can tell. Please click on the link below to be directed, directly to the post that she states these findings in. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4614772#4614772
Heck. Click on the link below and take a look @ the whole grow log thread. Let me know what you think. Very revealing research indeed. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4563577/fpart/all/vc/1
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: hamloaf]
#12756125 - 06/17/10 12:41 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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hamloaf said: BHT. 1074 wet.
Thats funny, my best performing outdoor subs were also BHT.
Just an observation, second to bht for outdoor cubes has been Gulf Coast from ralphsters.
I should also add that rats will find grain in spent substrates, ripping them apart in the process.
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: Nobitte]
#12757162 - 06/17/10 08:31 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nobitte,
That's a pretty cool coincidence. Nice observation on your best performing outdoor cubes being BHT. We are on to something.
This BHT came from ralphsters also. Fortunately, there are no rats around. Rats are not a problem. There are a ton of squirrels around. They don't seem to bother.
There is a ton of potato bugs/rollie pollies inhabitation. They chew on the caps from time to time. Other than that. The relationship between potato bugs/rollie pollies seems to be symbiotic.
It rained cats and dogs for a full day and night here the other day. After the rain. For shits and giggles I went out to research the patch. Field study case, research results are as follows.

Antother 598 wet g's.
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: hamloaf]
#12758294 - 06/17/10 02:16 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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hamloaf said: As far as inviting vermin is concerned, Deva 1 found in her out door mushroom patch research that if you create a balanced healthy enviroment, your crops are naturally resistant to pathogen and pest invaders. Research concludes these same findings. Existing patch has potato bugs living in it. They are not causing any problems as far as research can tell. Please click on the link below to be directed, directly to the post that she states these findings in. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4614772#4614772
Heck. Click on the link below and take a look @ the whole grow log thread. Let me know what you think. Very revealing research indeed. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4563577/fpart/all/vc/1
Very interesting link, & great results, though I'm not certain about the 'balanced healthy environment' automatically avoiding any vermin issues.
I'm very interested in trying an outdoor grow, either with a prepared bed with WBS or grain or with dumped spent cakes, but the area I'm in isn't very good. There have been rats around this area & even if I create a 'balanced healthy' - whatever that means - plot 90% of the gardens & surrounding area around me are magnets for rats, pigeons & other wildlife I don't want to be attracting by putting grain out.
I think I'll give it a go with a dozen+ verm & BRF cakes I've got fruiting right now but I'm a lot more reluctant to try putting grains out.
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: BlueDruid]
#12758495 - 06/17/10 03:00 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: talkingwalnut]
#12763886 - 06/18/10 02:04 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I tried BHT for the first time last night. NICE Word Ham!
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: BlueDruid]
#12765358 - 06/18/10 06:51 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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hamloaf said: As far as inviting vermin is concerned, Deva 1 found in her out door mushroom patch research that if you create a balanced healthy enviroment, your crops are naturally resistant to pathogen and pest invaders. Research concludes these same findings. Existing patch has potato bugs living in it. They are not causing any problems as far as research can tell. Please click on the link below to be directed, directly to the post that she states these findings in. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4614772#4614772
Heck. Click on the link below and take a look @ the whole grow log thread. Let me know what you think. Very revealing research indeed. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4563577/fpart/all/vc/1
Very interesting link, & great results, though I'm not certain about the 'balanced healthy environment' automatically avoiding any vermin issues.
I'm very interested in trying an outdoor grow, either with a prepared bed with WBS or grain or with dumped spent cakes, but the area I'm in isn't very good. There have been rats around this area & even if I create a 'balanced healthy' - whatever that means - plot 90% of the gardens & surrounding area around me are magnets for rats, pigeons & other wildlife I don't want to be attracting by putting grain out.
I think I'll give it a go with a dozen+ verm & BRF cakes I've got fruiting right now but I'm a lot more reluctant to try putting grains out.
You will never know until you try.
These are in the wild. Co-existing with squirrels, birds of all sorts and bugs too.
Research has concluded birds will not bother with consuming colonized wild bird seed.
Do your own research and you will have field case studies of what procedures work and what procedures don't for your situation.
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: hamloaf]
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oh, what plans i have
thanks for the inspiration
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: silas simon]
#12795596 - 06/24/10 09:40 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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This stuff is still coming. 
Was out and about yesterday when the decision was made to roll by the patch, water and have a look.

Food for thought: If these substrates did this well, being spent and contaminated. How about colonizing a few substrates for the purposes of fruiting outdoors in the same manner.
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: hamloaf]
#12796102 - 06/24/10 11:35 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Food for thought: If these substrates did this well, being spent and contaminated. How about colonizing a few substrates for the purposes of fruiting outdoors in the same manner.
I'm already on it. Went out in the early a.m. and made a nice sized bed, with PE6, and PE grains, covered in cow poo. Should turn out well, let's hope
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: dangermike78]
#12811045 - 06/27/10 08:09 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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The patch has a few friends from a different specie. Looks like Coprinus comatus. Shaggy Manes to me. Which is quite interesting to me. Being that Shaggy Manes enjoy a colder climate then their tropical sibling specie, psilocybe cubensis. They don't so much have the predominate bulbous and elongated caps as Shaggy Manes normally do. However, they did have the mane. Also the next day the were mostly, already decomposed. With out a trace. They seemingly disappeared over night. You had to get down close to even see the dried up, black, decomposing, mushroom body that once stood there.

On the note of the mushroom patch. Yesterday. More spent and contaminated substrates were taken out the patch. The organic materials casing cover was removed from the top of the patch and placed aside. A bit more of a mix went into this this endeavor. New spent and contaminated out door substrate consists of, Contaminated rye grain spawn of various cube varieties. A few more spent and contaminated bulk substrates, and several old fully colonized liquid cultures.
After casing cover of organic materials were removed from the top and place aside. The new/used substrate was layered accordingly.
First, all the rye grain spawn was emptied from quart sized wide mouthed canning jars onto the top of the of the old substrates. Next the bulk substrates were dumped onto the top of the contaminated grains. Then the liquid cultures were dumped on top of the concoction. The liquid from the cultures was added last to act as the first watering. Releasing humidity slowly. Creating that micro climate of humidity. Mushrooms number 1 pinning trigger. The micro climate of humidity needed to grow mushrooms can not be obtained out doors with out some kind of cover that lets air in to evaporate the moisture from your substrate. Yet keep the evaporated moisture(humidity) underneath the cover. Right top of your substrates surface. Insuring an nice even pinset and heavy flushes.
I'll be going out there to water. I will bring back detailed pics of the new mound. As for when I will post them. Now that's another story.
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: hamloaf] 1
#12811297 - 06/27/10 09:22 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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ive just harvested my first wild penis
what a useful idea, this thread
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: silas simon]
#12811617 - 06/27/10 11:08 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I got attacked by mosquitoes to bring you these pictures. So you better be fucking respectful. Because it's not about match love, but a handful of love. A handful of love. Is better then no love is better than no love at all.. J/K
I really was attacked by mosquitoes to bring you these pictures. Small price to pay for research and the logging of it.
What was once a patch. Has now become a mound. 6 inches high. 

Overhead view of the mound. 

A look at the mound with the casing cover of organic materials removed.

Further into the mound. A look at the bulk substrate pulled away down into the layer of grains spawn. 
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: hamloaf]
#12811938 - 06/27/10 12:07 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I loooove taking spent substrates out into the jungle and burying them. Better than tossing, imo. Give the goods back to the earth.
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: ambargh]
#12827786 - 06/30/10 09:20 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't think that these subs are going to do as well.
They were highly spent. And highly contaminated.
On the other hand. It's how you put it.
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ambargh said: I loooove taking spent substrates out into the jungle and burying them. Better than tossing, imo. Give the goods back to the earth.
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: hamloaf]
#12828036 - 06/30/10 10:42 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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hamloaf said: I don't think that these subs are going to do as well.
They were highly spent. And highly contaminated.
you'd be surprised. I would break it up and kinda bury it just underground so it can (hopefully) pull up some nutrients from the ground and kinda revive itself.
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: ambargh]
#12835546 - 07/01/10 05:01 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Still don't think this last batch of buried substrate will fair well.
They are just green mold patches. 



Had to add a few contaminated substrates to the patch this morning. From my ECUADOR! grow log and bury them due to contaminates.
Took your suggestion and crumbled up the contaminated substrates this time. Hope you are right and I am surprised. 

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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: hamloaf]
#12839501 - 07/02/10 11:26 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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 the cakes i threw in here were pretty well spent and its quite hot here in florida so ive only gotten about one dry gram from this little patch so far, but the novelty of it is just so great.
the coolest part i think is that the mycelium has actually begun to colonize the mulch i threw on top of it. is PE that much of a mutated strain or will cubes eat just about anything once theyre established?
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: silas simon]
#12841348 - 07/02/10 07:01 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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This is awesome. Wish I'd read it before I planted a few cakes in my compost pile, though. The next ones are going under the orange tree.
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: mundane]
#12855935 - 07/06/10 11:05 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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This method could be used to inoculate a virgin filed.What do you guys think???
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: KBG1977]
#12856200 - 07/06/10 12:14 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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provided the field had the right conditions for growth without continued effort past the initial seeding
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: silas simon]
#12872726 - 07/09/10 01:23 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wee bit of action from the patch this morn'.
Full frontal;

Up close from left to right:


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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: hamloaf]
#12902083 - 07/15/10 07:34 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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So I've been dumping my contaminated/spent subs outside and they're producing wonderfully.
It rains every 3-4 days here heavily so I'm getting huge flushes. probably about an oz a week.
I have my own yard, but i do live in close proximity to other houses. (Mini home park) Each yard is about twice the size of a regular double-wide and longer.
My neighbours are cool old people, but she's been asking me about the mushrooms growing in the back under the tree haha.
I told her I cultivate legit mush. (Which I do, no lie) But is there anything very close looking to cubes that I can say those are?
As it is, I told her they weren't very good tasting, but they got contaminated, and I didn't want them to go to waste. She'd never like, go out and pick any.
But I hate feeling like a grave digger going out to the back of my lot with a shovel after 11pm just to bust up subs and pick mush. haha
So, any suggestions for something that looks similar to Cubes that I can pawn them off as to curious people?
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Hamloaf's Outdoor Tek. [Re: gstay]
#12902128 - 07/15/10 07:58 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Did you already tell her they were edible? Just throw any old latin name for mushrooms at her. Most people do not have a clue what mushrooms are about and do not want to hear any kind of long winded explanations. Just tell her they are a novelty Mushroom. That they are toxic to humans if consumed. Placed in your yard by you. Due to the fact that you are a mushroom enthusiast.
An example of a toxic novelty mushroom is: Omphalotus nidiformis. The Ghost Fungus Mushroom. This mushroom is toxic and will attack your gastrointestinal system. You say you grow "legit" mushrooms? Why not, every so often, break her off with a piece of your edible harvest. To shut her up. Maybe divert her curiosity a little bit. You know you will be using this excuse. HL
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Re: Hamloaf's Outdoor Tek. [Re: hamloaf]
#12903744 - 07/15/10 03:15 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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hamloafs outdoor tek???
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Solution! [Re: evildee125]
#12984222 - 08/01/10 06:45 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Meh, I change it back. I'll write ya' an actual outdoor tek, for the shroomery, with pics, in the fall when the temperatures drop off a good 15 degrees. I'm just wait till the fall so I can back it up with pics for you. I have already tried several grows outdoors this summer. Temps are above 95 during the day so none of them have been happy. I have not visited the patch since the temps have become so warm about 23 days ago. HL
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Solution! [Re: hamloaf]
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Solution! [Re: The White Rabbit]
#12995246 - 08/03/10 10:18 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have some Elm, Yellow, and Blue oyster jars fully colonized, 2 of each. I'm going to store these jars in the fridge and begin some grain jars, LC, and agar of ps. azure's in preparation for when the weather cools off and fall arrives. HL
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Solution! [Re: hamloaf]
#12995552 - 08/03/10 11:45 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I took 8 quarts of heavily trich contaminated treasure coast and mixed that with a half brick of coir and laid it out beneath a tree with no direct sunlight. That was about 3 weeks ago and today when I looked at it it was pure white mycellium. I didnt throw anything on top of the coir/spawn mix. Today I threw some cactus soil/verm onto the top of it. As a sort of casing. See wat happens I guess.
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Solution! [Re: truskool]
#12999024 - 08/03/10 10:31 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Currently, what are your temps like out doors? In the fall I am going to attempt proper out door mushroom patches, dug into the ground, spawned to cow or horse manure, layered, then cover the substrate with a clear sheet of 6mil plastic with holes slashed in it for GE to colonize. HL
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Solution! [Re: hamloaf]
#12999078 - 08/03/10 10:42 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Its hot everywhere. It gets like 30 C with the humidity up here this time of yr. I know its a little hot but wtf it was trich infected spawn that would have been composted.
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Solution! [Re: truskool]
#12999149 - 08/03/10 11:04 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Exactly my thought process when I first planted these contaminated substrates and see what happens?
I was thinking that it would be a benefit for you, due to the high temperatures, to place more bulk substrate over your colonized substrate then cover with a sheet of clear plastic with holes slashed in it for GE to further encourage spawn run which would be more suited to the warmer temps. When temps cool off, place grass clippings, leaves, or straw over the colonized substrate and water in the morning to keep it hydrated all day. HL
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Solution! [Re: hamloaf]
#12999272 - 08/03/10 11:29 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thats pretty much wat i did. Well kinda. I let the spawn/coir mix sit for several weeks until it was purs white with myc. Then earlier today I put some soil over the myc and coir. Think I still should put grass clippings down? If so ima have to mow my lawn tomorrow
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Solution! [Re: truskool]
#12999370 - 08/03/10 11:53 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Save and use the grass clippings for fruiting time. The grass clippings over your colonized substrate will allow for enough FAE to pass over your substrate while keeping humidity high at your substrates surface. HL
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Solution! [Re: hamloaf]
#13025449 - 08/09/10 07:52 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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You shoulda checked your patch. Temps have been in the 90s here too and I've been watering my hole..all the substrate that stayed in a chunk has been doing well, I've still been harvesting, though I have found the temp where my hole is, since pretty shaded, is about 5-10 degrees cooler then when you get out of the woods. The stuff that needs to colonize (broke apart) isnt colonizing.
In fact in this high of heat I wouldnt try adding more substrate, trying to get more to colonize in these temps is like incubation. It works ok for fruiting though if you keep them wet. I pour a gallon of water in the hole every day or other day.
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Solution! [Re: scatmanrav]
#13025735 - 08/09/10 09:41 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Did I say 90's? I meant 100's for the last month with a heat index of an extra 5 degrees.
I know.
Fuckin' stupid hot and muggy. You can not last in the muggy heat. I ain't doing shit in the outdoors until the weather cools off a good fifteen degrees. I have elm, pink, blue, and and yellow oyster quart sized jars (2 a piece) fully colonized, ready to go and stored in the fridge, not to mention 3 freshly inoculated Azure LC's, using 1 table spoon of LME/DEX with .4th of a gram of nutritional yeast per quart of water (I used tap water this time). When the weather cools I am going to attempt various styles of proper outdoor beds and log em' up for you all dense asses over here in the cult forums. HL
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Solution! [Re: scatmanrav]
#13040589 - 08/12/10 09:33 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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This tray caught a patch of trich so I placed out side and am soaking it the morning and it is staying hydrated just fine through out the 100 degree days. In fact it's shown growth in just the 2 days it's been outside.
KSSS. BRF spawned to straw/cowshit then cased with 5050 chilly chillin' in the out doors. HL
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Solution! [Re: hamloaf]
#13040601 - 08/12/10 09:37 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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very nice! 
i just buried some compost/spawn that had green mold all over it....just checked on it and there is some nice myc starting to colonize the poo/compost i placed over it...its a much smalled patch though but ive got my fingers crossed i have some pins within the next week or so.
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Solution! [Re: MoJesus]
#13040643 - 08/12/10 09:50 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hell yeah! I have this 2 week old coir and a fully colonized spawn bag with a spot of trich that just started. Later today or tomorrow, I am going to take it outside and fuck around. See what I can come up with. HL


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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates? Here's a Solution! [Re: ShadOWCrack]
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if you put contaminated substrates out side would the mushies it made not ne toxic??????
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates? Here's a Solution! [Re: ShadOWCrack]
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Because the mushrooms it produces are not toxic.
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates? Here's a Solution! [Re: ShadOWCrack]
#13248199 - 09/26/10 07:10 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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longslocksmith said: Why do you not keep it when it's contamed then
The reason you either toss a cake/substrate or place outside to grow is so that you don't bump up the contaminant mold spore count already present in your home,which would really give an even bigger failure rate for future grows in the home.
If you think you don't have any contaminant mold spores all over your house...you are sorely mistaken.
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The reason you either toss a cake/substrate or place outside to grow is so that you don't bump up the contaminant mold spore count already present in your home,which would really give an even bigger failure rate for future grows in the home.
If you think you don't have any contaminant mold spores all over your house...you are sorely mistaken.
I'm full of today, I thought he was being dumb and asking the same question twice.
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates? Here's a Solution! [Re: Niwita]
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: Niwita]
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates? Here's a Solution! [Re: Niwita]
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Don't get mad at me, I wanted to tell you about my recent sucess with this and give a tip. I had an infected pf cake, so I took it outside, opened it and picked out the silver-dollar sized mycelium spots, gave them a 30 second bath in 10% bleach, and broke them up into some woodchips. After spawning for a month, I buried them under my tree( there was plenty of green in there, too). I've harvested at least 10 dry g off of it now, and I'm still hoping for more, as sooon as it rains. My spent contaminated pf cakes and casings have never done anything Moral to the story; if you keep the uncolonized grain/flour to a minimum, and spawn to woodchips, the likelyhood of success is higher because bugs and rodents won't be all over it eating it
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates? Here's a Solution! [Re: ShadOWCrack]
#13248336 - 09/26/10 08:15 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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longslocksmith said: if you put contaminated substrates out side would the mushies it made not ne toxic??????
No, in fact an increase in potency has been found in the outdoor fruits as apposed to the indoor fruits.
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longslocksmith said: Why do you not keep it when it's contamed then
The reason contaminated substrates are not kept indoors are due to the fact that the contaminate mold spores will spread through out your grow area and home futher increasing the chances of future grows to become contaminated.
Placing spent and contamanated substrates outdoors is a vector into not wasting time, money, and effort spent on getting your substrate to the point of fruiting without wasting the substrate. Giving the substrate a final chance to be fruitful with out harming your future grows or upping the contaminate spore count in your home and grow area as well as return organic material back to the Earth.
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates? Here's a Solution! [Re: SomeGuy]
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paducahovoids said: Don't get mad at me, I wanted to tell you about my recent sucess with this and give a tip. I had an infected pf cake, so I took it outside, opened it and picked out the silver-dollar sized mycelium spots, gave them a 30 second bath in 10% bleach, and broke them up into some woodchips. After spawning for a month, I buried them under my tree( there was plenty of green in there, too). I've harvested at least 10 dry g off of it now, and I'm still hoping for more, as sooon as it rains. My spent contaminated pf cakes and casings have never done anything Moral to the story; if you keep the uncolonized grain/flour to a minimum, and spawn to woodchips, the likelyhood of success is higher because bugs and rodents won't be all over it eating it
yeah, squirrels got to the outdoor I had planned. I'll go for smaller next time. But why would you bleach it?
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates? Here's a Solution! [Re: krum]
#13248370 - 09/26/10 08:29 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just because it had trich, an I was hoping to eliminate it, but it didn't do any good the mush still grew though
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates? Here's a Solution! [Re: hamloaf]
#13248391 - 09/26/10 08:39 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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longslocksmith said: if you put contaminated substrates out side would the mushies it made not ne toxic??????
No, in fact an increase in potency has been found in the outdoor fruits as apposed to the indoor fruits.
I've noticed this too. I think. Weird.
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates? Here's a Solution! [Re: ShadOWCrack]
#13250912 - 09/26/10 07:59 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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No it won't make them toxic, you'll be fine - common myth
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates? Here's a Solution! [Re: ambargh]
#13251238 - 09/26/10 08:58 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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longslocksmith said: if you put contaminated substrates out side would the mushies it made not ne toxic??????
No, in fact an increase in potency has been found in the outdoor fruits as apposed to the indoor fruits.
I've noticed this too. I think. Weird.

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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates? Here's a Solution! [Re: dmonkey1]
#13251250 - 09/26/10 09:01 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'll have to check my patch later tonight or tomorrow when all the lightning stops.I checked on it a few days ago and it was still colonizing under the grass clippings (of course the trich had spread even more across the substrate,but I see some nice rhizo growth in a few spots too).
I'll get some pics as soon either a.m. tomorrow or later tonight if the lightning stops.
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates? Here's a Solution! [Re: ShadOWCrack]
#13251624 - 09/26/10 10:28 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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longslocksmith said: Thank you iam still new and just like knowing all I can Iam on my first grow and they won't do any thing so I put 3 of them out under the tree I read someware that if a cake has comtam it will make the mushies toxic and could kill u that's why I wanted to know thank you again

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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates? Here's a Solution! [Re: hamloaf]
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Thank you
iam sure I will have lots and lots more ??????'s
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates? Here's a Solution! [Re: ShadOWCrack]
#13282210 - 10/03/10 01:09 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey everyone, i live in Toronto, i have a couple of Hawaiians cakes that are contaminated, can i still put them outdoors in this weather?
Strain: Hawaiians. Cube - I Think, Bought at THC
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates? Here's a Solution! [Re: PeyotePro]
#13282217 - 10/03/10 01:14 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: joshstins420]
#13282256 - 10/03/10 01:37 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Would putting a little dirt on top of the patch help any?
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: ShadOWCrack]
#13282565 - 10/03/10 05:00 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Probably won't hurt it. Old grass clippings would work better though.
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: Niwita]
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#13282803 - 10/03/10 07:22 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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PeyotePro said: Hey everyone, i live in Toronto, i have a couple of Hawaiians cakes that are contaminated, can i still put them outdoors in this weather?
Strain: Hawaiians. Cube - I Think, Bought at THC
Thanks.
What is your outdoor ambient temperature right now. Cubes don't really fruit well if at all in colder climates. Cubensis are a tropical specie of mushroom. Look in to Ps. Azures and Cyans they fruit in the 40-50 degree temperature range however are a wood loving specie.
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longslocksmith said: Would putting a little dirt on top of the patch help any?
No this would not help. Placing mere dirt on top of the substrate will become muddy once it's watered and that will suffocate your substrate. You can properly pasteurize manure or coir buffered with about 25 percent vermiculite brought to field capacity and all that first. Place a layer of the manure over your substrate and cover with a sheet of plastic with holes sliced into it and your substrate (depending on how contaminated or spent it is) will colonize the manure. Once fully colonized, remove the plastic and cover the substrate with fresh grass clippings or any light and fluffy organic material and water.
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Mad_Hatter2004 said: Nothing but trich
Madd_Hatter, your substrate is becoming infected during the colonization of it. I would say most likely due to mold spores infecting your busted kernels. All it takes in one microscopic mold spore to land on and then germiante a busted kernel to infect your entire substrate. Proper pasteurization and high spawn rations are just a few things we practice to give the mycelium a "head start" against mold spores. In a perfect world, high spawn ratios and proper pasteurization would be a cure all but the fact remains after all the preventive measures in the world, the mold spores still exist in our bulk sub material after proper pasteurization. The trick becomes then to not encourage them to germinate by handling your grain spawn correctly and covering your breath and skin from coming in contact with your substrate material or grain spawn. Although infected substrates are usually a sign of infected grain spawn, life does not always act within the confides of a general rule.
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: ShadOWCrack]
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Just so you guys know... Trichoderma is bad for a mushroom grow, but it's great everywhere else in your garden. Organic gardeners buy trichoderma spores to intentionally put in their garden. You can plant the whole sub, or scrape off the green parts, mix them with water, and irrigate your plants with it.
I have also used trichoderma as a leaf protectant and insect repellent on my most recent round of Super Silver Haze (by mixing with water and spraying on the plants), and it's working even better than I thought. Yay, fungus!
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: scienceguy]
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I have a white ash looking kind of mold on my casing thats on its 4th flush.. Any ideas what it could be? it looks different than the white mold Ive seen before.
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: Deej3987]
#13292044 - 10/05/10 04:22 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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My patch seems to be doing good. Added leafs and grass it smelled like mushies!!!!!!
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: ShadOWCrack]
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates? Here's a Solution! [Re: hamloaf]
#21307202 - 02/21/15 08:35 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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 i usually throw mine out in the yard under some shrubs. but areas where there is good moisture when it rains but shielded from direct rain from the shrubs.
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: eatyualive]
#21338903 - 02/27/15 03:08 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have 5 bags that are contamined with a blue-ish coloring. I didn't want to throw them out cause I was not sure if it was bruising or straight up contams. Got them in a freezing cold room. Hoping I can put them outdoors in the late Spring. This post gives me hope. I just couldnt bear the thought of dumping colonized substrate in the trash in case it wasn't contaminated.
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: MidNiteCowboy69]
#21338986 - 02/27/15 03:27 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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bet dollars to pesos its bruising. a pic would tell your story 100%.
Edited by liquidmyce (02/27/15 03:39 PM)
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