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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: gornyhuy]
    #12679267 - 06/03/10 02:54 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Thank you gornyhuy,

Just got back from the patch. There was a rain here this morning so I though I would run by the patch to see what's up after yesterday. Yesterday I picked the sucker clean and was shocked to find, as I was approaching the patch it's self, several mushroom heads poking through the grass clippings cover. I pulled the grass away and found this.





I must admit I am a little stoked. I expected them to do something but I never expected anything like this. Gonna let these drop their spores then pick em'.


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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: hamloaf]
    #12679389 - 06/03/10 03:10 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

It's amazing how well those guys fruit out in their almost natural environment. An overnight success indeed. I think your patch will be flushing for a while to come.
Good work holmes:thumbup:

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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: dangermike78]
    #12686949 - 06/04/10 06:01 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

The morning after.



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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: hamloaf]
    #12686991 - 06/04/10 06:09 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I did that last week and now they are covered in pill bugs. Maybe I should've put them in a different location.


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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: Interrobang]
    #12692127 - 06/05/10 03:18 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

What are pill bugs and what location did you have your spent substrates in? I place
my spent substrates under a tree as to not expose the spent or contaminated substrate
to direct sunlight. Did you place your substrates in direct sunlight? You will have
better results if you do not place your spent or contaminated substrates in direct
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: hamloaf]
    #12692265 - 06/05/10 03:40 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

These are pill bugs: http://possumpatty.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/rolypoly.16752309.jpg
also referred to as rollypollies or potato bugs... maybe these are region names for the create. I live in the Midwest. They're badass little guys though: when they get scared they curl their shells and form a tight little ball.

Anyway, I just carelessly threw it in some plants next to my house. It isn't covered with anything, but the plants/weeds cover it from direct sunlight.
I don't really care what happens to it; I just figured I'd give some nutrients to the earth. Now it's got slugs all over it. At least they'll get good trips.


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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: Interrobang]
    #12694231 - 06/05/10 10:30 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Pill bugs are known for eating leaf decay and plant matter. I haven't read anything about them eating mycelium, but they do eat tender roots. So they might give it ago.
Pill bugs are a crustacean and have gills. Isopods. There's a fun word.
And slugs? Fuck slugs, they eat everything.

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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: Interrobang]
    #12696142 - 06/06/10 09:37 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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These are pill bugs: http://possumpatty.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/rolypoly.16752309.jpg
also referred to as rollypollies or potato bugs... maybe these are region names for the create. I live in the Midwest. They're badass little guys though: when they get scared they curl their shells and form a tight little ball.

Anyway, I just carelessly threw it in some plants next to my house. It isn't covered with anything, but the plants/weeds cover it from direct sunlight.
I don't really care what happens to it; I just figured I'd give some nutrients to the earth. Now it's got slugs all over it. At least they'll get good trips.



Where I am from those are referred to as potato bugs. Where I am at now they are referred
to as rollypollies. Thanks for taking so much time on the explaination of potato bugs for me.
Those little guys are currently crawling all through and around this substrate.
Between the potato bugs and the substrate, the relationship seems symbiotic. I have not
discovered and problems due to the potato bugs inhabitation.

Instead of carelessly throwing your sub in some plants next to your house you could have
just as easily placed you substrate under a tree in a shady area and covered your substrate
with organic matter to get that micro climate of humidity going and water once everyday.
or 2 in the morning. You research would have definitely been revealing as well as rewarding.
Shoulda, woulda, coulda.

Deva 1 had an intentional mushroom patch outdoors at one time.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4563577/fpart/all/vc/1

She believes that if you create a balanced healthy enviroment, your crops are
naturally resistant to pathogen and pest invaders.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4614772#4614772

My research reveals these findings as well. There are no other insect invaders
or other pests of any kinds, animals ect and this patch is in the country.

These are form the patch yesterday morning!



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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: hamloaf]
    #12696234 - 06/06/10 10:09 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I'd actually been planning on trying this once my current grow is done so its good to see the level of success you're having.

Can I ask what volume of substrate it took to get such results? and whether you actually buried it in the soil (presume shallowly) or just dropped it on the ground & covered in leaves/grass?
I had been digging the garden so I'd been thinking of lightly burying substrate mixed in with normal soil & compost.

Would this work with grain/WBS? as I'd always thought it'd be inviting vermin.

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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: BlueDruid]
    #12699430 - 06/06/10 08:03 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Just drop the substrate(s) on the ground after crumbling the substrate(s) up @
about 40-50 %. Simply cover in grass and water heavily to create that
micro climate of humidity releasing from your substrate(s) for fruiting. The number
1 pinning trigger. Place substrate under a tree to keep out of direct sunlight.
Temperature does not seem to be to much of an issue. The temperature has been
climbing above 90 degrees ferinheight during the day for the last several days.

Don't bury your substrate or cover it with regular soil & compost. Just place
your substrate(s) on the ground and if you wanted to further colonize your
substrate outdoors, use coir or manure. Cover your colonized grains or colonized
spent substrate(s) with a mound of coir or manure. Then place a sheet of plastic
with holes slashed or poked into the sheet of plastic to allow for gases to
exchange until fully colonized. Then once fully colonized, remove plastic and cover
with an organic material.

If you were gonna do an out door patch starting from grain spawn. You will want to
construct you a bed and raise it off of the ground with cinder blocks or bricks.
Then spawn your grains to a bulk substrate such as coir or manure. Inoculate using
a 1:1-4 spawn ratio. Use the sheet of plastic method as described earlier to
colonize your outdoor mushroom bed's substrate. Don't forget to keep your outdoor
mushroom patch moist using regular tap water.

As far as inviting vermin is concerned, Deva 1 found in her out door mushroom patch
research that if you create a balanced healthy enviroment, your crops are naturally
resistant to pathogen and pest invaders. Research concludes these same findings.
Existing patch has potato bugs living in it. They are not causing any problems as
far as research can tell. Please click on the link below to be directed, directly
to the post that she states these findings in.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4614772#4614772

Heck. Click on the link below and take a look @ the whole grow log thread. Let me
know what you think. Very revealing research indeed.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4563577/fpart/all/vc/1


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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: hamloaf]
    #12756125 - 06/17/10 12:41 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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BHT. 1074 wet.




Thats funny, my best performing outdoor subs were also BHT.

Just an observation, second to bht for outdoor cubes has been Gulf Coast from ralphsters.

I should also add that rats will find grain in spent substrates, ripping them apart in the process.


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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: Nobitte]
    #12757162 - 06/17/10 08:31 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Nobitte,


That's a pretty cool coincidence.
Nice observation on your best performing outdoor cubes being BHT.
We are on to something.:mushroom2:

This BHT came from ralphsters also.
Fortunately, there are no rats around.
Rats are not a problem.
There are a ton of squirrels around.
They don't seem to bother.

There is a ton of potato bugs/rollie pollies inhabitation.
They chew on the caps from time to time.
Other than that.
The relationship between potato bugs/rollie pollies seems to be symbiotic.




It rained cats and dogs for a full day and night here the other day.
After the rain.
For shits and giggles I went out to research the patch.
Field study case, research results are as follows.



Antother 598 wet g's. :thumbup:


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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: hamloaf]
    #12758294 - 06/17/10 02:16 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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As far as inviting vermin is concerned, Deva 1 found in her out door mushroom patch
research that if you create a balanced healthy enviroment, your crops are naturally
resistant to pathogen and pest invaders. Research concludes these same findings.
Existing patch has potato bugs living in it. They are not causing any problems as
far as research can tell. Please click on the link below to be directed, directly
to the post that she states these findings in.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4614772#4614772

Heck. Click on the link below and take a look @ the whole grow log thread. Let me
know what you think. Very revealing research indeed.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4563577/fpart/all/vc/1




Very interesting link, & great results, though I'm not certain about the 'balanced healthy environment' automatically avoiding any vermin issues.

I'm very interested in trying an outdoor grow, either with a prepared bed with WBS or grain or with dumped spent cakes, but the area I'm in isn't very good. There have been rats around this area & even if I create a 'balanced healthy' - whatever that means - plot 90% of the gardens & surrounding area around me are magnets for rats, pigeons & other wildlife I don't want to be attracting by putting grain out.

I think I'll give it a go with a dozen+ verm & BRF cakes I've got fruiting right now but I'm a lot more reluctant to try putting grains out.

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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: BlueDruid]
    #12758495 - 06/17/10 03:00 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Mushrooms love the outdoors


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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: talkingwalnut]
    #12763886 - 06/18/10 02:04 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I tried BHT for the first time last night. NICE:thumbup:
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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: BlueDruid]
    #12765358 - 06/18/10 06:51 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Quote:

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As far as inviting vermin is concerned, Deva 1 found in her out door mushroom patch
research that if you create a balanced healthy enviroment, your crops are naturally
resistant to pathogen and pest invaders. Research concludes these same findings.
Existing patch has potato bugs living in it. They are not causing any problems as
far as research can tell. Please click on the link below to be directed, directly
to the post that she states these findings in.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4614772#4614772

Heck. Click on the link below and take a look @ the whole grow log thread. Let me
know what you think. Very revealing research indeed.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4563577/fpart/all/vc/1




Very interesting link, & great results, though I'm not certain about the 'balanced healthy environment' automatically avoiding any vermin issues.

I'm very interested in trying an outdoor grow, either with a prepared bed with WBS or grain or with dumped spent cakes, but the area I'm in isn't very good. There have been rats around this area & even if I create a 'balanced healthy' - whatever that means - plot 90% of the gardens & surrounding area around me are magnets for rats, pigeons & other wildlife I don't want to be attracting by putting grain out.

I think I'll give it a go with a dozen+ verm & BRF cakes I've got fruiting right now but I'm a lot more reluctant to try putting grains out.



You will never know until you try.

These are in the wild.
Co-existing with squirrels, birds of all sorts and bugs too.

Research has concluded birds will not bother with consuming colonized wild bird seed.

Do your own research and you will have field case studies of what procedures work and what procedures don't for your situation.


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    #12765735 - 06/18/10 08:09 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

oh, what plans i have

thanks for the inspiration :greenthumb:


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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: silas simon]
    #12795596 - 06/24/10 09:40 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

This stuff is still coming. :eek:

Was out and about yesterday when the decision was made to roll by the patch, water and have a
look.



Food for thought: If these substrates did this well, being spent and contaminated. How about
colonizing a few substrates for the purposes of fruiting outdoors in the same manner.


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    #12796102 - 06/24/10 11:35 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Food for thought: If these substrates did this well, being spent and contaminated. How about
colonizing a few substrates for the purposes of fruiting outdoors in the same manner.




I'm already on it. Went out in the early a.m. and made a nice sized bed, with PE6, and PE grains, covered in cow poo. Should turn out well, let's hope:thumbup:

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Re: Spent and Contaminated Substrates. Here's a Suggestion. [Re: dangermike78]
    #12811045 - 06/27/10 08:09 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

The patch has a few friends from a different specie. Looks like Coprinus comatus. Shaggy Manes
to me. Which is quite interesting to me. Being that Shaggy Manes enjoy a colder climate then
their tropical sibling specie, psilocybe cubensis. They don't so much have the predominate
bulbous and elongated caps as Shaggy Manes normally do. However, they did have the mane. Also
the next day the were mostly, already decomposed. With out a trace. They seemingly disappeared
over night. You had to get down close to even see the dried up, black, decomposing, mushroom
body that once stood there.



On the note of the mushroom patch. Yesterday. More spent and contaminated substrates were
taken out the patch. The organic materials casing cover was removed from the top of the patch
and placed aside. A bit more of a mix went into this this endeavor. New spent and contaminated
out door substrate consists of, Contaminated rye grain spawn of various cube varieties. A few
more spent and contaminated bulk substrates, and several old fully colonized liquid cultures.

After casing cover of organic materials were removed from the top and place aside. The
new/used substrate was layered accordingly.

First, all the rye grain spawn was emptied from quart sized wide mouthed canning jars onto the
top of the of the old substrates. Next the bulk substrates were dumped onto the top of the
contaminated grains. Then the liquid cultures were dumped on top of the concoction. The liquid
from the cultures was added last to act as the first watering. Releasing humidity slowly.
Creating that micro climate of humidity. Mushrooms number 1 pinning trigger. The micro climate
of humidity needed to grow mushrooms can not be obtained out doors with out some kind of cover
that lets air in to evaporate the moisture from your substrate. Yet keep the evaporated
moisture(humidity) underneath the cover. Right top of your substrates surface. Insuring an
nice even pinset and heavy flushes.
 

I'll be going out there to water. I will bring back detailed pics of the new mound. As for
when I will post them. Now that's another story.


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