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#10986508 - 09/02/09 01:03 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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I love Erowid, but it can be awkward to navigate -- not so much that it's unusable, of course, but in the age of Wikis its organization seems a little dated. IMO, a Wiki is the best data organization system available online, and for a website whose purpose is to spread & make available information it seems like a natural fit, doesn't it?
I have no idea how one would go about making it happen, but I think it's A: a really good idea and B: totally possible to either mirror Erowid's content to a Wiki or to contact Erowid directly and work with them to create a Wiki.
Anyone else feelin' me on this?
Do you think this is something we could actually do, or at least set in motion?
I have no internet skillz whatsoever, so personally I would be useless for this, but I have to assume that somewhere out there are the people to make this happen.
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Re: Why isn't Erowid's info organized in a Wiki? [Re: laserpig]
#10986515 - 09/02/09 01:05 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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i personally like the way erowid is arranged. i find it easy enough to get around on it. 
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Re: Why isn't Erowid's info organized in a Wiki? [Re: laserpig]
#10986517 - 09/02/09 01:06 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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because you havent done it yet.
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Re: Why isn't Erowid's info organized in a Wiki? [Re: ShroomerRoss]
#10986525 - 09/02/09 01:07 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
ShroomerRoss said:
i personally like the way erowid is arranged. i find it easy enough to get around on it.
agreed! never had any problems with the interface and kinda like it better than if wiki got ahold of it.
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Re: Why isn't Erowid's info organized in a Wiki? [Re: Sadhguru]
#10986542 - 09/02/09 01:11 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've wondered the same thing. I would like to see an Erowid-like wiki.
I think that Fire and Earth Erowid would probably prefer to keep more control over the content that gets published on their website. I'm not sure they could do that with a wiki...
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Re: Why isn't Erowid's info organized in a Wiki? [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
#10986563 - 09/02/09 01:15 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Terrible idea. Dosage information doesn't need to be in the hands of the general public.
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Re: Why isn't Erowid's info organized in a Wiki? [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
#10986581 - 09/02/09 01:21 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nunbuh_Chrubble said:
I've wondered the same thing. I would like to see an Erowid-like wiki.
I think that Fire and Earth Erowid would probably prefer to keep more control over the content that gets published on their website. I'm not sure they could do that with a wiki...
^^^this
that kind of information shouldn't have the ability to be edited by just anyone
Fuck Wiki BTW
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Re: Why isn't Erowid's info organized in a Wiki? [Re: ShroomerRoss]
#10986586 - 09/02/09 01:22 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
ShroomerRoss said:
i personally like the way erowid is arranged. i find it easy enough to get around on it.
seconded 
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Re: Why isn't Erowid's info organized in a Wiki? [Re: Abuse]
#10986610 - 09/02/09 01:26 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Okay you guys are aware that a Wiki can be set to be editable only by Admins, right?
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Re: Why isn't Erowid's info organized in a Wiki? [Re: Sadhguru]
#10986838 - 09/02/09 02:08 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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in some respects its difficult to navigate but the purpose of erowid is different from the purpose of a wiki.
How would you like to write up a three page experience report and then some self proclaimed literary genius from Wisconsin comes and edits out your favorite part and flexes his literary might on the part he thinks is cool?
Or a police agent stumbles across the site and thinks it promotes drug use so he starts changing everything he can about as many drugs as he can do.
They would need hundreds of well educated moderators to check and double check every edit that is made. As it is now they can just put up a page and as they receive better info, update the page.
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Re: Why isn't Erowid's info organized in a Wiki? [Re: Idiot]
#10986873 - 09/02/09 02:15 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think OP isn't saying it should be set to be edited by anyone (an open wiki), but rather the format more like a closed wiki, with links to different parts of the site. For example, under mushrooms, there could be a link under the word "entheogen", which takes you to a page which has the definition of entheogens, etc. The purpose would be to help people who arent as familiar with the language.
It could have an option where you can click it to a different format, but I personally like the format it is in now; very clean, and distinct topics.
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Re: Why isn't Erowid's info organized in a Wiki? [Re: Green_T]
#10986912 - 09/02/09 02:22 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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The layout at Erowid is not hard to navigate at all, guys come on
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Re: Why isn't Erowid's info organized in a Wiki? [Re: laserpig]
#12659848 - 05/31/10 08:23 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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I fully intend on doing this, but I want to reach a further scope than erowid and include synthesis & pharmacology and generally a lot more chemistry.
There's so much information on wikipedia, drugs-forum, BL and here that needs to be organised, especially give erowid's ineptitude at keeping up with current drug trends.
Problem is it's quite a big project to undertake on my own will need help. I spent the last ages setting up a server, I just need to find a decent wiki system (I'm thinking something like twiki - which is a CMS built around a wiki) which allows for a site to be integrated into it, such that it can include forums and the likes.
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Re: Why isn't Erowid's info organized in a Wiki? [Re: Cepheus]
#12659880 - 05/31/10 08:33 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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shroomery should have a mushroom Wikipedia to browse species, and people can post pics of the same species from different areas
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Re: Why isn't Erowid's info organized in a Wiki? [Re: laserpig]
#12660144 - 05/31/10 10:05 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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I agree, Erowid's layout can be kind of convoluted. Not as bad as most sites, but it could be better.
I also really enjoy Wiki's way of organizing information. I could surf Wiki for hours, and often do.
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Re: Why isn't Erowid's info organized in a Wiki? [Re: Adamist]
#12660173 - 05/31/10 10:13 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you guys think Erowid is hard to use you should go try doing research in an actual library.
People should have to work to learn - that way they have more incentive to actually take it in instead of just skimming and then coming on here to ask silly questions 
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Re: Why isn't Erowid's info organized in a Wiki? [Re: NizzyJones] 1
#12660210 - 05/31/10 10:27 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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My main problem with erowid is the lack of recent information. When a new drug hits the market drugs-forum and bluelight are straight on it with dosage advice, trip reports and proposed mechanisms of action (and metabolites etc - harm reduction).
Erowid is typically 3 years behind all of this and normally doesn't include half the technical information available on either sites.
Both have made a slow attempt at putting a wiki together to hold all this information, but IMO, it would be better suited as a collaborated effort on an individual site... Hence pharmatopia.nl. My ultimate goal with this domain is to hack up some kind of wiki / cms system and cater it specifically for chemical / drug information, so that everything anyone needs to know about the chemistry, action, dose and appropriate links (like bl megathreads etc) is all in one searchable, clean and clearly laid out database (like wikipedia).
Essentially then it would be a catalogue of datasheets (with relevant information for chemists & recreational users - such as reagent tests / purity tests etc).
I just need to get the ball rolling, I'm sure people will jump on once I've hoisted the sails .
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Re: Why isn't Erowid's info organized in a Wiki? [Re: Cepheus]
#12660253 - 05/31/10 10:36 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Bluelight has a wiki now.
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Re: Why isn't Erowid's info organized in a Wiki? [Re: AcidTG]
#12660266 - 05/31/10 10:39 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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So does DF, DF's one is a bit bigger than BL's at the moment, but both are lacking.
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Re: Why isn't Erowid's info organized in a Wiki? [Re: Cepheus]
#12660287 - 05/31/10 10:44 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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I wish all the drug forums would just merge into one.
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