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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: 2ndChancesRDivine]
    #12713221 - 06/09/10 01:39 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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Sometimes the direct approach even carefully worded isn't the best one. I apologize.

I have had the pleasure of seeing a lophophora cactus in person. It had three buttons growing out of the tap root, and the person who kept it planned to graft them to a trichocereus pachanoi. From what I understand, the pachanoi cactus has a growth hormone that will cause the lophophora cactus to grow rapidly doing many years worth of growth in fewer. What is the difference in growth patterns, blooming patterns and mixture of active alkaloids from a grafted cactus verses one that has been left whole?

I have also uncovered experiments where freebase dopamine was injected into the cactus and allowed to biosynthesize into mescaline increasing the content of the alkaloids. From what I remember of the paper it was injected every week. What is the overall gross amount of alkaloids a cactus can hold? Is there a point at which it makes no sense to continue administering the precursor? How does it change the cactus' physical appearance?

These are just a few questions I have on my mind as I am not able to conduct research myself. :smile: Any info on this would be most interesting.


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: PsilocybinMind]
    #12713248 - 06/09/10 01:48 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

A good many moons ago i ordered a bunch of Lophophora W. seeds. made a couple attemps at starting a few but failed when my girlfriend knocked the first batch over. i knocked over the second.

Anyway, recently i started about 50. 25 in each pot in 2 pots. When i noticed the first 3 sprouts I threw out 25 more, 5 in each pot in 5 pots.

Today i noticed that 4 more had sprouted in the first batch so thats 7. Hopefully the remaining seeds in there will continue to sprout.

Theyre so small! It boggles my mind how these things can even germinate in the wild and survive long enought to produce seed.

Im excited. I have a nice pachanoi that i got as a gift a few years ago that im just now getting around to planting in a large enough container. It has some thinning at the top due to being shaded for a few months. I plan to eventually trim that off and graft a few on to that.



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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: haymaker]
    #12713760 - 06/09/10 07:18 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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all you got to do is cross pollinate them and wait. unless your some type of geneticist in which case anything is possible.



the problem with that is how do you prove that it asnt some foreign pollen that fertilized the seed?  or better yet, selfed itself?  plants that are not self fertile are capable usually of selfing still, its more of a "usually not self fertile".  i have selfed diffusa, koheresii and fricii a few times, which are all "self-sterile", though possibilities make things VERY difficult to know.

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I've always thought it was a cultivar of L. williamsii and L. fricii but I don't think it is really known for sure.



it could be, but not of both as fricii and williamsii are both unique species :smile:

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is there any truth to  lophophora jourdania being the offsrping of lophophora williamsii X turbinicarpus pseudopectinatus?




there is a lot of speculation from inter specific or generic hybrid, to variety...I'm sure there is some peyotist that claims cosmic radiation from the heavens.  no matter how great the theory seems, it is just that: a theory.  maybe someday it will be worked out :wink:


ferrell, thats a beauty of a koehresii. got a mate for it?

and pacha, that is a neat plant.  its about as close to an A. myriostigma as i have ever seen a loph :smile:  if you were me or i were you that sucker would be queued up for the mandatory sperm donation program.


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: kadakuda]
    #12716138 - 06/09/10 05:25 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)



WTF is this, BAP?


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: Ieponumos]
    #12718070 - 06/09/10 11:11 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Maybe, although I can't see any discolouration where it may of been applied. Could just have exceptional feeder roots. Nonetheless, to me that thing is  :aweoverdose:


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: karode13] * 1
    #12719163 - 06/10/10 06:13 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

my two new lophs arrived in post today one i think is a l.will the other iam not sure about look like a L.k
And few other pics of my lophs












i have no idea the ages of any of the large ones the ugly multi headed small one is 8 years.

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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: SMUCKA]
    #12719300 - 06/10/10 07:24 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)





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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: SMUCKA]
    #12719567 - 06/10/10 09:04 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Those are all very beautiful plants smucka!

I'm quite jealous... :wink:


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: kadakuda]
    #12719721 - 06/10/10 09:44 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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all you got to do is cross pollinate them and wait. unless your some type of geneticist in which case anything is possible.



the problem with that is how do you prove that it asnt some foreign pollen that fertilized the seed?  or better yet, selfed itself?  plants that are not self fertile are capable usually of selfing still, its more of a "usually not self fertile".  i have selfed diffusa, koheresii and fricii a few times, which are all "self-sterile", though possibilities make things VERY difficult to know.

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I've always thought it was a cultivar of L. williamsii and L. fricii but I don't think it is really known for sure.



it could be, but not of both as fricii and williamsii are both unique species :smile:

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is there any truth to  lophophora jourdania being the offsrping of lophophora williamsii X turbinicarpus pseudopectinatus?




there is a lot of speculation from inter specific or generic hybrid, to variety...I'm sure there is some peyotist that claims cosmic radiation from the heavens.  no matter how great the theory seems, it is just that: a theory.  maybe someday it will be worked out :wink:


ferrell, thats a beauty of a koehresii. got a mate for it?

and pacha, that is a neat plant.  its about as close to an A. myriostigma as i have ever seen a loph :smile:  if you were me or i were you that sucker would be queued up for the mandatory sperm donation program.





its all true what you say. i just like to let nature do her thing and not play that cosmic force i call evolution.

and no i don't have a mate for it.

isn't it a l. Frcii? i thought it was. oh well the flowers totally kick ass.


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: ferrel_human]
    #12719771 - 06/10/10 09:59 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

fatty mc loph.


l. fricii, i think, thank you kadakuda for making me qeustion what it is, with a flower that came out when i was not here. and an emerging flower bud. its gonna be spectacular when it comes out.


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: ferrel_human]
    #12720503 - 06/10/10 12:56 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

there are no answers, only more questions.


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: kadakuda] * 1
    #12725124 - 06/11/10 08:31 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

A flower from today:



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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #12725674 - 06/11/10 11:18 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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A flower from today:




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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: ferrel_human]
    #12725707 - 06/11/10 11:25 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

flower.:grin:


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: ferrel_human]
    #12729785 - 06/12/10 02:24 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

sweet bro.  is that a fricii?

harmless thats a beaut as well.  how big is that sucker?


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: kadakuda]
    #12730035 - 06/12/10 04:39 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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harmless thats a beaut as well.  how big is that sucker?




Thanks. approx 68mm at its widest and has 1 pup.


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #12735976 - 06/13/10 12:44 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Do you see what I see? Not all are pictured. There are 5 in total thus far.





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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: Ieponumos]
    #12736137 - 06/13/10 01:20 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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Do you see what I see? Not all are pictured. There are 5 in total thus far.








Isn't that alot of perlite on the surface?  I mean I am no expert but I would think that having that much perlite on the surface may prove to be an issue with the seedlings?


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: Sir Cypher]
    #12736154 - 06/13/10 01:23 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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Do you see what I see? Not all are pictured. There are 5 in total thus far.








Isn't that alot of perlite on the surface?  I mean I am no expert but I would think that having that much perlite on the surface may prove to be an issue with the seedlings?




:shrug: I hope not. Let's wait till someone like CactusDan or Karode chimes in I guess.


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: Sir Cypher]
    #12736159 - 06/13/10 01:24 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Having an overly coarse surface will cause the plants to root into the cracks of material as well as block sunlight and cover the seeds when they are trying to germinate.

His look fine atm, but for the future its best to crush the perlite IME.


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