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Fuzz-nutter



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Onto a question, can I literally start lopping off side heads and strapping them down onto grafting stock? It seems too easy, with all those heads, so much to work with.
@spaceman - I spoke to the post and they have a program called "flexdelivery" this year, where they will ship packages directly to the post office for pick up. I guess there were a lot of complaints that people had their packages sitting out in the -30, now that a lot of houses don't receive door to door. The gov realized that it was costing too much, community boxes were the solution.
With flexdelivery it's also less work for the post, so I'm sure they are more then happy to do it.
The plants also came with many layers of bubble wrap which I think would have insulated any short trips through the cold. But the flexdelivery is the real saver. If only I had known sooner :'(
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karode13
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can I literally start lopping off side heads and strapping them down onto grafting stock?
It helps if they're actively growing. Knowing which part of the world they came from could help you decide this. But, in saying that, as long as they're plump and the stock is also plump(better if it's growing) then yeah, graft away. It is that easy.
Good meme and it does feel like that, doesn't it.
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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: karode13]
#22921266 - 02/18/16 09:57 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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can I literally start lopping off side heads and strapping them down onto grafting stock?
It helps if they're actively growing. Knowing which part of the world they came from could help you decide this. But, in saying that, as long as they're plump and the stock is also plump(better if it's growing) then yeah, graft away. It is that easy.
Good meme and it does feel like that, doesn't it.


But if you wanna root a pup you'll have to allow it to grow to a decent size before cutting.
That Gif is perfect Bro. Makes me think of the feelings I have when I take in that special specimen I really, really wanted
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Fuzz-nutter



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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: karode13]
#22921602 - 02/18/16 11:30 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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karode13 said:
It helps if they're actively growing. Knowing which part of the world they came from could help you decide this. But, in saying that, as long as they're plump and the stock is also plump(better if it's growing) then yeah, graft away. It is that easy.
Good meme and it does feel like that, doesn't it.

The UK, great vendor whose in the EG. There are a few little heads that are light green around the outside, looks like it might have been growing a little. How do you know if it's actively growing? Season?
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Old Farmers Almanac Is a good book to read seriously.
You can get them all over now in markets like lowes, walmar. Tractor Supply or Home Depot.
Everything you need there to start them. I'm drunk but I'll link you tomorrow to it or something.
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ferrel_human
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I would totally wait till you get them replanted and they show growth.
Man. Must be a really lax government to lwt such things through. Not bwcause of legality but because we all know of disease and pest in transporting plants. Its legal in Canada.
Thwy look rootbound so break up those root balls. Thwn place in a really light soil.
You are real lucky man. I had one once. But now sadly i do not.
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Fuzz-nutter



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Now, I want to be a responsible parent, what is the recommendation for soil? I used a bagged cactus mix by pro-mix. I see you guys using rocks, pebbles and sand (coarse)
Is it beneficial at this stage? I feel it would be, especially since I got rust mold with my other potting mix that was too organic. just need to source the material. I've read the stone eaters thread a few weeks ago, just looking for some experienced advice on the benefits.
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Mostly_Harmless
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It seems a bit premature and potentially problematic to water them right after planting, especially in such an organic mix, at this time of year too! The pot size is about right. They would rest best in empty pots until you can make up a more suitable mix.
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Fuzz-nutter



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Great thank you, do you recommend a rock mix? I thought that "cactus mix" wouldn't be organic, I guess I was wrong?
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Fuzz-nutter



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ferrel_human said: I would totally wait till you get them replanted and they show growth.
Man. Must be a really lax government to lwt such things through. Not bwcause of legality but because we all know of disease and pest in transporting plants. Its legal in Canada.
Thwy look rootbound so break up those root balls. Thwn place in a really light soil.
You are real lucky man. I had one once. But now sadly i do not.
They can't catch everything man, and if they are scanning packages they are looking for explosives, solid steel, pieces that could be fit together into guns, drugs like heroin and cocaine, and bubble packs, for illegal medications cutting into pharmacy profits.
Plants probably cruise right through.
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Mostly_Harmless
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Yes, generally for lophs it is best to go with a more rocky mix. What ingredients are available to you? A good blend of similar sized pieces can work well. Things such as limestone, granite, quartz, hardened clays, turface, seramis, akadama, gypsum, and more. One blend I have used last season for some degrafts, that seem to do well, was 2 sources of potting gravel (one of crushed granite, one of crushed quartz) with some added moler (hardened clay sold as kitty litter, adds some water retention) and pieces of tufa (limestone), and they only ever get rain water as it falls.
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ferrel_human
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Mostly_Harmless said: Yes, generally for lophs it is best to go with a more rocky mix. What ingredients are available to you? A good blend of similar sized pieces can work well. Things such as limestone, granite, quartz, hardened clays, turface, seramis, akadama, gypsum, and more. One blend I have used last season for some degrafts, that seem to do well, was 2 sources of potting gravel (one of crushed granite, one of crushed quartz) with some added moler (hardened clay sold as kitty litter, adds some water retention) and pieces of tufa (limestone), and they only ever get rain water as it falls.
Totally agree this is a great mix.
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Mostly_Harmless said: It seems a bit premature and potentially problematic to water them right after planting, especially in such an organic mix, at this time of year too! The pot size is about right. They would rest best in empty pots until you can make up a more suitable mix.
IMe organic soils are death sentences. I've lost too many buttons that way. I would totally cut out organic material and opt for inorganic rock.
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Fuzz-nutter



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Awesome, I picked up some gravel and some limestone/sand mix. I can also break up a clay pot and make some clay chunks.
Can I still ad some of this promix cactus mix? I'll avoid using the finer sand as it packs in another cactus pot I used with sand
Just saw the post about cutting out organic. Gotcha
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ferrel_human
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Don't use any organic matter. Just try it and you wont regret it. I promise you, rock is all you need.
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psi
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Fuzz-nutter said: I can also break up a clay pot and make some clay chunks.
A product similar to diatomite/moler (as MH mentioned) that you may be able to find in your area is "Turface", used for I think sports fields or something. Same kind of properties as if you crushed clay pots up into gravel.
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Fuzz-nutter



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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: psi]
#22923012 - 02/19/16 12:19 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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cool.
so this what I have:

Limestone/sand mix, river gravel, clay pot chunks, and limestone. You mentioned gypsum. I have some gypsum pellets for garden, claybuster stuff, I used to grind it up for the mushrooms. Do I just throw some of the gypsum pellets in there? 5% or more?
Eventually I'll get some quartz for a top dress or something, not sure yet. is the above mix including the gypsum appropriate?
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Mostly_Harmless
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For gravel, try to go with coarse rather than smooth. The surface area difference between the two is significant. Good for roots and water retention.
Skip the gypsum if you are going with some limestone. It might be best used selectively for certain genera/species found natively in soils containing it (Aztekium, Geohintonia, a few others)
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Fuzz-nutter



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dang, ok, I was thinking that.
It's funny because a few years ago I experimented with an opuntia that kept rotting on me. I grabbed a few shovels of gravel/sand and planted them in that. Now you guys already know how sand turns to concrete after enough watering, and the roots can't get through it too well, but other then their small roots, the plant has done amazing.
I'll experiment a little. I'm going to do my lophs with this mix till I get a more coarse gravel, but I think I'll leave one in the cactus mix, and watch not to water too much. It came in organic soil, would like to see if it has any difference.
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Fuzz-nutter



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I'm going to go over board on this. All the plants are getting a new home. Now what about the peres? I have a feeling this gravel mix might not be it's preferred media. But maybe with a loph grafted in top it would prefer less organic?
Thanks for the help.
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psi
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Yeah you want a lot more water retention for pereskiopsis, the commercial "cactus soil" will work fine for that. Often peat based stuff can carry bugs though. You can dampen it and then cook it in the microwave before use.
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