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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: spaceman101]
    #22885039 - 02/09/16 08:28 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Well he didn't sell all his plants that day. It's buyer beware in this game. I just called him out is all.


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Hey karode what do you do if you have a degrafted and yet to root Loph that starts to get soft due to lack of water but noi rot?






Soft is ok but if it's too soft, and looks as if it may dry out, then I mist it in the evenings with water. They plump up again.


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: karode13]
    #22885127 - 02/09/16 08:45 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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Fark. Doesn't sound good......



One thing about buying large grafts or older plants is that they usually die. They die because they've spent many years growing in another environment, often a controlled one, and they don't do well once they leave there. Not unless you acclimatise them very slowly, but even then they succumb to some type of ailment.

Starting from seeds is the best way to go. They're cheap and you end up growing plants used to your environment. Grafting boosts production and you can be self sufficient in a couple of years, sooner if you're good. I've spent thousands on plants that end up dying. I got suckered a few years ago by this Yugoslavian guy I met at a show. Last time I saw him I gave him an earful of abuse and pulled his rotten, mealybug infested plants out of the pot in front of people who were just about to buy them. You live and learn I suppose.




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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: karode13]
    #22885308 - 02/09/16 09:14 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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Well he didn't sell all his plants that day. It's buyer beware in this game. I just called him out is all.


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Hey karode what do you do if you have a degrafted and yet to root Loph that starts to get soft due to lack of water but noi rot?






Soft is ok but if it's too soft, and looks as if it may dry out, then I mist it in the evenings with water. They plump up again.







Thanks Bro:super:


Dude you did the right thing IMHO. If dude's selling faulty or infested plants bust him out as hardcore as possible. I just figured you to be a more subtle person irl:grin:


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: spaceman101]
    #22885478 - 02/09/16 10:06 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Depends on the situation. I'm more subdued on the forums as there's a filter between my brain and my fingers. I can come on too strong in real life, so I've been told. The people that tell me this haven't lived life much though...I've lived a few lives and seen some things that change you. I'm a nice person(try to be) and get along with most people I meet. A hard life builds hard people, I work on being a better man and human every day. It's what life is about. Just don't rip me off is all. :lol:


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: karode13]
    #22885498 - 02/09/16 10:14 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

:rofl:


I got ya Homie:grin:


Good to hear we have a few things in common as well! A hard life builds true character and makes real men:super:


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: karode13]
    #22886661 - 02/10/16 08:07 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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Fark. Doesn't sound good......

Starting from seeds is the best way to go. They're cheap and you end up growing plants used to your environment. Grafting boosts production and you can be self sufficient in a couple of years, sooner if you're good. I've spent thousands on plants that end up dying. I got suckered a few years ago by this Yugoslavian guy I met at a show. Last time I saw him I gave him an earful of abuse and pulled his rotten, mealybug infested plants out of the pot in front of people who were just about to buy them. You live and learn I suppose.




Totally agree with your comments about mealybug - one reason I only ever buy plants from reputable nurseries - garden centre and department store plants are often infested.
But I have bought many plants from Northern Europe, mostly the UK, Netherlands and Germany.  They certainly need to be gradually acclimatised to my generally warmer conditions, but after a few months are usually quite settled.


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: Spanishfly]
    #22887679 - 02/10/16 01:26 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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Fark. Doesn't sound good......

Starting from seeds is the best way to go. They're cheap and you end up growing plants used to your environment. Grafting boosts production and you can be self sufficient in a couple of years, sooner if you're good. I've spent thousands on plants that end up dying. I got suckered a few years ago by this Yugoslavian guy I met at a show. Last time I saw him I gave him an earful of abuse and pulled his rotten, mealybug infested plants out of the pot in front of people who were just about to buy them. You live and learn I suppose.




Totally agree with your comments about mealybug - one reason I only ever buy plants from reputable nurseries - garden centre and department store plants are often infested.
But I have bought many plants from Northern Europe, mostly the UK, Netherlands and Germany.  They certainly need to be gradually acclimatised to my generally warmer conditions, but after a few months are usually quite settled.




I've been always said to vedor about mealies on plant(..or other bugs) and I usually can take free plant.

I have one pesticide capable to wipe off all pests, but not spider mites, mealies can be wiped away easily. Systemic pesticide is nice to kill bugs at one watering time wipe off all bugs on plants. I usually isolate new plants from old ones and handle them elsewhere with pesticides and making sure i'm not moving bugs from nursery to home.

But mealies on plant = I usually can have plant for free if it's infested.

I have nice flowering cacti obtained with mealies on them, now growing nice and looking happy.

Well it's easy to spot mealies in plant anyway so all vendors in my country have been given infested plants for free if customer is asking bout why there's pests on plant.

It seems relatively easy to find mealies and spider mites from any nursery cactus but mealies are big and visible enough I can show them to vendor and say the situation. I have poison for them and I can wipe off mealy population easily.

Haven't bought new plants for a while anymore but when I randomly bought some, finding mealies on cactus, even from reputed nurseries, have caused price to go away or very low.

Pesticide I have been used is also very toxic to humans and I've got poison symptoms from spray of pesticide. Barely have used it now, I really don't want to kill native bugs and so on.. It is just easier and good not to need to use strong pesticides.

Even that pesticide is banned in most countries, still in cultivation some growers use that to prevent bugs and cause plant to absorb the poison.

It would be best pesticide if spider mites haven't get resistant to it.. But other bugs wont gonna invade the plant handled with that pesticide, it causes even pollen of flower to get toxic so I never use it outdoors or in greenhouse, only at windowsill or for new plants to wipe off all nasty fuckers.

Usually mealybug found by me really have yield to end result: I can have most plants free and wipe off the mealibug population totally. Some have said it stays in plant for months, some say only few weeks.. Long enough anyway to cause new bugs die when they start feeding plant what's been received systemic pesticide.

I would never carry mealies on plant to my house if I don't have poison for them to get rid of pests. I don't see problem to get free infested plant if you kno how to wipe of bugs you kno plant have. Otherwise getting new infested plants among other cacti is thing I would do last time.

To be honest, I haven't seen mealies on my collection.. Last time I had mealybug invasion on collection was somewhere at 2012-2013 if I remember right. Using pesticide to infested plants properly and isolate the plant alone as well is easy to get rid of most bugs.

I still don't suggest pesticide I've been used and what I have in store but no need for it atm. It's most likely illegal soon all over the world since it kills fast and quick all bugs.

I have had it to my skin few drops and had headache, nausea, vomiting, etc.. When I use pesticide I have I usually have to protect my hands and face so toxic wont get to my body, because it's nasty shit. I've been get cautious after I had my first poisoning symptoms from water spray with commercial strong pesticide in water.

It's also so smelly shit using it without protection is not good, especially if water with pesticide on it causes easily symptoms to human, the stuff seems to absorb tru skin of human very easy, even I only need it like drop or two to liter of water, one drop of it is usually enough.

It's only one hit wonder pesticide I know, but fukin mites are resistant to it nowdays and they are only pests I haven't managed to wipe off and over the years I just haven't give a shit about few spider mites on me plants.

I randomly use strong alcohol (49-60% strenght) moisten cotton wool to careful wipe the skin and it seems to be only way to get them in control. I think I never get them all away, but atleast I've been prevented them not to spread too much.

What comes to ethyl alcohol is, it may damage cactus skin very easily, but so far it seems strong booze enough will kill bugs on contact.

I've been tested booze to bugs by catch big ones as alive and I drop it in to strong alcohol and so far all bugs I've been find and add booze to their skin with cotton wool, have caused death.

For example, I've been used many bugs captured outdoors and tested reaction to strong alcohol. I do not know the function of alcohol fully, but so far alcohol moisten cotton wool is been the best choice to prevent scars spreading. Also cotton wool is good, mites will attach to it easily and to me it seems they die on cotton wool fast. Mites may move at cotton wool only few seconds till they stop moving.

Also I found out by hard way, using too much pressure when wiping the skin of cactus gonna peel of the skin easy so even I use strong booze to wipe scarring plants, I don't suggest it since I don't know atm from experience than one season and it seem last spring scarring was stopped on plants after few times of wiping them with cotton wool moisten in alcohol.

I haven't also found much at all information of ethyl alcohol use as pesticide but so far, it seems to be easy to moisten the skin of cactus with booze and let it dry.

But alcohol moisten paper/cotton wool etc is really tough to skin of cactus so when I started to testing it I managed to damage one plant with alcohol. It started to smell like fresh cutted plant because skin peeld of a bit.

I am not sure does it works but so far I have managed to keep scarring away only by using strong alcohol as it is. I mean usually scars from attack gonna stop after alcohol treatment. It's easy to do in small garden like I have.

Would be hard to use it against mites on big cultivation.

Do anyone have any sources of information about different alcohols as pesticides. To me seems ethyl alcohol (booze) can kill many bugs, function how it kill the bugs I don't know but all tested bugs haven't survived after been in touch to strong booze. Last summer I picked native big bugs and tested how they react and assumed spider mites probably react the same way and they're smaller than any insect I've been tested.

I just don't have pyrethrium products against mites atm so I decided to go this coming spring again with booze and see does wiping the alcohol to skin reduce population of mites like last spring seemd it did. One plant have scars only at one spot from last spring and scarring stopped after I used strong booze to their skin and gently wipe the skin to take most mites as well away from plant.

I would not suggest to use any booze as pesticide since I really don't know yet for sure how it effects to spider mites, properly used it won't damage the plant. But using it properly isn't so easy always and skin damage cause plant to be prone to spider mite invasion since it seems they sense damagd plant.

My cat have also punctured one plant skin and it started to had mites this spring. Usually that plant haven't had mites on it. But on the other hand. Those plants usually have mites have been free of them.

Ofc temperature of my climate and wihdowsill effects also to mites, in cool and moist they barely spread anyway. Especially if I fight against them seems it's possible to keep population in control. I just never have managed to wipe all spider mites, but other bugs I have managed to get rid of and haven't seen those pests since.

Does anyones have idea what's the function of alcohol to body of bugs? I've seen booze can kill all kind of bugs in touch, it happens slowly over few minutes to big bugs and they stop movin. And I am not drowning them to booze, just plant moisten cotton wool on top of he bug and it kills them.

That's reason I started to use regular booze since it doesn't damage the skin when used correctly and I assume it will kill mites on touch, I don't see other reason why mite attacks have stopped than using alcohol on cotton wool to wipe the skin gently and moisten the whole cactus skin above ground. As color blind I also ca see the spider mites only against cotton wool or soft paper I can use to wipe the skin.

I am just at level of experiment and need more time to know for sure does it kill mites or is it just the cotton wool causing mites to attach to it. But water only cotton wool or almost dry cotton wool usually have mites and they're moving. Cotton wool with strong booze on it have always mites but they never move so it most likely kill them on contact.

I think miticide is better tho, I am just doing experiment since ethyl alcohol is cheaper than any pesticide. Small bottle of booze is enough for long time.

Not gonna get in to details how I exactly have been used ethyl alcohol beverages (strong only) as pesticide since I don't know all. Therefor I don't suggest to use it since I am not sure does it kill spider mites or not. Atleast something have happend differs from water cnly cotton wool.

Just sayin, if someone gonna use booze as pesticide based on what I said, it's dumb.. Worst case it peels skin of a bit at mites gonna attack more harder if booze damages the skin. I have accidentally caused one yote get skin peeled after I used too much pressure with booze and cotton wool.

I suspect booze, strong enough, will gonna kill pest in-touch, but how it kills them I don't know. So far I haven't found bug big enough booze wont kill it.

Last summer I had indoors stinger, managed to get it captured and I just pressed booze moisten cotton wool on it and stinger was dead after a while. Slow death but so far I have seen booze kills on contact bugs of all kind. Spider mites are so tiny I can see only non-moving dots on white wool as color blinded. I can't see mite on skin of plant so easy, especally cacti.

IDK why internet doesn't have much information of booze as pesticide or people just have used commercial pesticide brands instead of common booze. Maybe, maybe not.

I may bullshit everyone, or not. But as times goes by I'm gonna find out how potent on-touch it is. Only one season behind and results are good but I can't say it works. Who kno what have caused the results so I don't trust even myself before I'm sure it works. But something have wiped of spider mites last spring from plants since scars are so odd compared to usual scarring I've seen. Soon I see does it works as I assume..

So far I haven't ruined any plants with booze. Only pressure will peel the skin as well from sensitive skin plants. After I noticed it I've changed way I use booze but still I'm wiping them gently all over and I can easily see the dots on cotton wool as spider mites.

Something still have effect to them last season I am sure, but was it booze in-touch or something else what I have missed.

If ethyl alcohol can kill big bugs by touching them, it probably kill mites, but hell it's a hell of a lot job if there's shitloads of plants to take care of. Luckily I have only small amount of plants so controllings pests is easy.

Spider mites are only problem in my garden today sice I use different pesticide (illegal one) to wipe off mealies etc.. I am focusing with booze only to spider mites so far.

But I don't know how potent pesticide alcohol is when it touch the skin of bug. I've read it dry out the soft body pests, but IDK it for sure. I don't kno anythin for sure.


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: intelligentlife]
    #22887918 - 02/10/16 02:44 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Now that's the IL I remember:hug:


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: spaceman101]
    #22899793 - 02/13/16 01:29 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Hello, mon!

Had a bit time to write and so on... I just forgot to check lenght of post.. lol.

Dosn't matter when imma at talkative mood I usually don't pay attention what I write etc, lol.. Just keep on writing since text just keep on going fast and finger snappin keyboard faster than my own mind..

you kno what I mean and why it is so but, it's offtopic. .:lol:

I've just have been busy lately since I need time to make music and so on.. Since it's more fun making music than spent time around computer and tv.. even tho, I have no television, but nightvision is another thing and irrelevant... (this really means nothing, hah)

You should post sum pics later of your collection.. I have no good camera atm anyways and so on.. Just got drifted again to talk OT bullsht..:headbang:

Fuck, I won't delete that, but enough of it.. Nothin relevant to thread.
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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: intelligentlife]
    #22902386 - 02/14/16 01:04 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

I like how you separate posts into para graphs.


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    #22902439 - 02/14/16 01:43 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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Me too.  It´s called Good English.


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    #22903829 - 02/14/16 12:29 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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Me too.  It´s called Good English.




Its called being considerate too.


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    #22910914 - 02/16/16 07:06 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Found an app that claims to ID plants via photo... First thing I tried was a Loph and its best answer was pictures of Salad haha (Kohlrabis) :rofl:



Also, check out how scary this is!



Had a fly issue for like 2 weeks. I panicked when I saw this and used a blowtorch.
Killed all the flies and only scorched a little wool....

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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: applesmasher420]
    #22910974 - 02/16/16 07:40 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Man, that's disturbing. Those bow flies are attracted to rotten meat and such, what the heck have you been spraying your Lophs with??? :|


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: LSoares]
    #22911030 - 02/16/16 08:04 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

It is disturbing! Your guess is as good as mine.. I have never fertilized any of my cacti...
What is weird, is that they Only hung out on the grafted Lophs. Ignored the fruit. Ignored all the other cacti and Lophs. They were nowhere else in the entire room! They just stood completely still on the lophs. Not moving unless disturbed. O.o The grafted Lophs were very firm and healthy too :shrug:


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    #22911070 - 02/16/16 08:19 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Thats some ugly stuff apple. I hate flies. Your second grafted loph is so awesome. How long has it been on? Looks like the stock is about to die.


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    #22911121 - 02/16/16 08:43 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Cv. atom bomb. :lol:


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    #22911160 - 02/16/16 08:55 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

That Loph seems to have gone through a lot. :laugh:
I don't think there's already a name for those weird looks.


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: LSoares] * 1
    #22921116 - 02/18/16 09:12 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Got my hands on my first adult lophs! wowza, what a good feeling. You guys remember your first? Anyone wait till you grew your first? I was impatient, got them in a trade




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    #22921121 - 02/18/16 09:14 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

:rofl:


How did they make it without freezing?


Those are some nice specimens Bro:super:


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