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OfflineDreamtime
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RTV Silicone VS rubber stopper self healing injection ports
    #12636518 - 05/27/10 04:44 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Doing some research on self healing injection ports, do I go for RTV Silicone or a rubber stopper style?

pros? cons?

Durability?

Open to all recommendations...

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Re: RTV Silicone VS rubber stopper self healing injection ports [Re: Dreamtime]
    #12636541 - 05/27/10 04:56 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

IMO Silicone is the better choice.
The injection hole is closing very nice. It is cheap and you can make big or small injection ports with it.

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Re: RTV Silicone VS rubber stopper self healing injection ports [Re: enlightenment] * 1
    #12636546 - 05/27/10 04:58 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I just did this one out of convenience:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10628004/page/1/fpart/1/vc/1

Here is the other one. I would have done this if I had the ports oh-hand.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11487687

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Re: RTV Silicone VS rubber stopper self healing injection ports [Re: ThirtyCigarettes]
    #12636566 - 05/27/10 05:15 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Just :2cents:

I'd go with RTV silicone self healing injection ports.Why?

No wait on shipping,can be bought at any local hardware store or HD or Lowe's.

In fact I will be using RTV to make self healing injection ports in my quart jars.


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Re: RTV Silicone VS rubber stopper self healing injection ports [Re: ThirtyCigarettes]
    #12639431 - 05/27/10 03:23 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

ThirtyCigarettes said:
I just did this one out of convenience:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10628004/page/1/fpart/1/vc/1

Here is the other one. I would have done this if I had the ports oh-hand.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11487687




the second tek looks sweet!

do the ports seal 100% after inoculation etc, how long do they last?

are these any good...

http://www.sciplus.com/recommend.cfm/recommendid/3162

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Re: RTV Silicone VS rubber stopper self healing injection ports [Re: Dreamtime]
    #12639496 - 05/27/10 03:36 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

i use the blue stopers from sciplus.
i just like how neat they look, but i have others i made with rtv and tubing.
they work the same.

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Re: RTV Silicone VS rubber stopper self healing injection ports [Re: Dreamtime]
    #12639498 - 05/27/10 03:36 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Use RTV unless you are going for a certain neat 'look' with your jars.

Either way, you are going to have to use silicone, either to make the injection port, or to seal in the rubber stopper....

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Re: RTV Silicone VS rubber stopper self healing injection ports [Re: Dreamtime]
    #12639610 - 05/27/10 03:57 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

The stoppers will have a more professional look to them and are slightly easier to inject, but the silicone is probably the best bang for your buck.

Plus the stoppers usually require 1/2" holes, which can be a pain to drill in many lids (especially plastic).  Where as you can do 1/4" or smaller with silicone and have no issues.


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Re: RTV Silicone VS rubber stopper self healing injection ports [Re: Nanoid]
    #12639684 - 05/27/10 04:13 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

those stoppers do require 1/2 inch holes.
they pop in a little tight, but thats what you want.

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Re: RTV Silicone VS rubber stopper self healing injection ports [Re: Nanoid]
    #12639731 - 05/27/10 04:22 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

RTV is quick, easy & inexpensive.
About any hardware or autoparts store has it.
So, it's a available right now about anywhere.
But looks ghetto.

RTV doesn't stick to plastic (PP5) lids all that well.
But, sticks to metal lids real well.

Best ports I have ever found are the silicone type that come on vacutainers (orange/red looking ones).
They are thick & will last 100 punctures.
But, are very difficult to find.

Small grey 8 mm rubber ports are good also, but not as thick & last 7 to 10 punctures.

Plastic lids are easy to drill, if you have a good drill & bits.
I have a small table top drill press & never had issues drilling lids.



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Re: RTV Silicone VS rubber stopper self healing injection ports [Re: myco.alchemist]
    #12639823 - 05/27/10 04:36 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

myco.alchemist said:


Small grey 8 mm rubber ports are good also, but not as thick & last 7 to 10 punctures.






i didnt think they'd last forever.
im just gonna fill the hole on bottom with rtv when they get old.

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Re: RTV Silicone VS rubber stopper self healing injection ports [Re: Fungal growth]
    #12639961 - 05/27/10 04:57 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

this is a easy one
RTV=beginner


rubber stopper self healing injection ports=amateur/pro


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Re: RTV Silicone VS rubber stopper self healing injection ports [Re: TacoHerder]
    #12640059 - 05/27/10 05:09 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

TacoHerder said:
this is a easy one
RTV=beginner


rubber stopper self healing injection ports=amateur/pro






RTV = necessity
injection ports = anal and overkill?

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Re: RTV Silicone VS rubber stopper self healing injection ports [Re: ThirtyCigarettes]
    #12640080 - 05/27/10 05:12 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

is a flowhood anal and overkill too?


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Re: RTV Silicone VS rubber stopper self healing injection ports [Re: ThirtyCigarettes]
    #12640105 - 05/27/10 05:16 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

ThirtyCigarettes said:
Quote:

TacoHerder said:
this is a easy one
RTV=beginner


rubber stopper self healing injection ports=amateur/pro






RTV = necessity
injection ports = anal and overkill?





I agree. Just cause someone is being thrifty doesnt make them necessarily a beginner. Why spend so even 10 dollars on pre made injection ports when you can buy a tube of silicone for 4 dollars and make as many as you want.

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Re: RTV Silicone VS rubber stopper self healing injection ports [Re: TacoHerder]
    #12640137 - 05/27/10 05:20 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

TacoHerder said:
is a flowhood anal and overkill too?



Definitely not but once again it comes down to the cash. I built a GB for about 15 dollars and a flow hood is gonna cost me several hundred. I know that it is an investment but sometimes cheaper is better. And a flow hood doesnt even compare to self healing injection ports.

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Re: RTV Silicone VS rubber stopper self healing injection ports [Re: deathblade]
    #12640151 - 05/27/10 05:22 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

i can agree on that.


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Re: RTV Silicone VS rubber stopper self healing injection ports [Re: TacoHerder]
    #12640166 - 05/27/10 05:24 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Same function, less money.

Flowhoods are worth it. You can't RTV a filter to a fan and get the same function :smile:

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Re: RTV Silicone VS rubber stopper self healing injection ports [Re: ThirtyCigarettes]
    #12640250 - 05/27/10 05:34 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Although you could use the RTV to seal in your flowhood:tongue:

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Re: RTV Silicone VS rubber stopper self healing injection ports [Re: deathblade]
    #12640339 - 05/27/10 05:46 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I prefer the ports because they look neat and professional.  They run about 12 cents a piece so they're not really more expensive then silicone.

They will wear out eventually, especially if you use like gauge needles (14g or lower will eat holes in them) but using 16g or higher can withstand quite a few pokes, easily 30+

Once they begin to wear out you can put a little blob of silicone in  to repair them.

Drilling holes is super easy as long as you use the proper tools. 

I use a $25 drill from lowes and a 1/2" forstner style drill bit.  Each jar gets 2 holes one for a port one for a tyvek filter patch.

Takes about 3-5 minutes to drill 24 holes then 15 minutes to apply the patches and insert the ports.  I use a little dab of silicone to make sure the port is sealed good.  A couple qtips cut in half make excellent silicone applicators.  It's easy to just keep the jars in the case so they hold still.

Be careful not to get it on your hands as the curing agents can cause a severe allergic reaction (similar to poison ivy, but worse).  So keep the crap off your hands and wash up afterwards.

Now for spawn bags, just use plain silicone as the vial ports are not suitable.


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Re: RTV Silicone VS rubber stopper self healing injection ports [Re: Spongiform]
    #12640658 - 05/27/10 06:43 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I am “frugal”. But, it pays to purchase quality. Not to mention looks better & lasts longer.

As far as injection ports go, when 1 wears out, you simply replace it.
Pop it out & slide in another.

First PC I ever bought was a used AA 925.
In 15 years, never a problem with it.


I graduated up to an AA 941 sterilizer & a 24X48 flow hood.
Again, no issues with a lot of use over many years.

It took me awhile to find the source. But when I did I bought a thousand plastic lids for $150
1K was the minimum order.
That is 0.15  cents a lid.









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Re: RTV Silicone VS rubber stopper self healing injection ports [Re: myco.alchemist]
    #12640673 - 05/27/10 06:46 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

are they better then the ones you buy at the store? i tried those. they didnt seal good enough.


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Re: RTV Silicone VS rubber stopper self healing injection ports [Re: TacoHerder]
    #12640738 - 05/27/10 07:00 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

The Kerr/Ball storage lids leak liquid & are not meant to hold a vaccum.
The ones I bought do not leak liquid & will hold a vaccum.
(without a filter on a lid, meaning I could use them for canning)
Mine are better than FungiPrefecti's.
I ordered some from Stamets & was not impressed.


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Re: RTV Silicone VS rubber stopper self healing injection ports [Re: myco.alchemist]
    #12640757 - 05/27/10 07:03 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

ya, ill stick to metal until i find some like the ones you have. the Kerr/Ball lids were a joke.


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Re: RTV Silicone VS rubber stopper self healing injection ports [Re: myco.alchemist]
    #12643355 - 05/28/10 02:27 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

myco.alchemist said:


It took me awhile to find the source. But when I did I bought a thousand plastic lids for $150
1K was the minimum order.
That is 0.15  cents a lid.









I enjoy the tinkering.




Hey myco.alchemist those sure look good!

If you have any spare lids you want to let go pm me...

what sort of filters are those?

and where did you source those heavy duty stoppers?

the lids look really pro, nice work!

cheers for replies all!

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Re: RTV Silicone VS rubber stopper self healing injection ports [Re: deathblade]
    #12643558 - 05/28/10 04:11 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

deathblade said:
Quote:

ThirtyCigarettes said:
Quote:

TacoHerder said:
this is a easy one
RTV=beginner


rubber stopper self healing injection ports=amateur/pro






RTV = necessity
injection ports = anal and overkill?





I agree. Just cause someone is being thrifty doesnt make them necessarily a beginner. Why spend so even 10 dollars on pre made injection ports when you can buy a tube of silicone for 4 dollars and make as many as you want.




On the very same day,rather then waiting a week for your stoppers to ship and be delivered.


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Re: RTV Silicone VS rubber stopper self healing injection ports [Re: Mad Hatter 2010]
    #12643774 - 05/28/10 06:31 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Fungi.com has them.

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Re: RTV Silicone VS rubber stopper self healing injection ports [Re: Dreamtime]
    #13260013 - 09/28/10 03:59 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Put some rtv inside a vacutainer port. they last for ever!


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