|
LunarEclipse
Enlil's Official Story


Registered: 10/31/04
Posts: 21,407
Loc: Building 7
|
Re: Calling all true seekers. [Re: Icelander]
#12615262 - 05/23/10 05:06 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Icelander said: Seeking truth imo is a rigorous endeavor. If you read it I'd love to hear your opinions of it here or in PM. 
The Truth Will Set You Free.
It's True, and It's Free.
True Dat.
Sorry Dude I can't envision a book entitled The Denial Of Death is going to help me at this point. I am Already Dead! It's True! I Don't Deny It!
Don't Worry, Be Happy!
It's True! I died years ago!
-------------------- Anxiety is what you make it.
|
daytripper23
?


Registered: 06/22/05
Posts: 3,595
Loc:
|
Re: Calling all true seekers. [Re: Icelander]
#12615326 - 05/23/10 05:17 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Good luck then Iceman
|
Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery



Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
|
|
Thanks, I'll take all the luck I can get.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
|
bodhicitta


Registered: 05/13/10
Posts: 77
Last seen: 13 years, 7 months
|
Re: Calling all true seekers. [Re: Icelander]
#12615424 - 05/23/10 05:34 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
thank you for the elaboration. i'll probably read the book before death.
-------------------- if everything is nowhere, where is what?
|
Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery



Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
|
Re: Calling all true seekers. [Re: bodhicitta]
#12615492 - 05/23/10 05:47 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
If you read it after death I'll be impressed.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
|
bodhicitta


Registered: 05/13/10
Posts: 77
Last seen: 13 years, 7 months
|
Re: Calling all true seekers. [Re: Icelander]
#12615606 - 05/23/10 06:09 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
i reckon i have a few more years left in the flamefest still.
-------------------- if everything is nowhere, where is what?
|
Tony
Stranger

Registered: 09/25/09
Posts: 958
Last seen: 8 years, 3 months
|
Re: Calling all true seekers. [Re: bodhicitta]
#12617961 - 05/24/10 01:42 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
MarkostheGnostic said: Now, Becker's book came out in 1973, Wilber's in 1979.
I'm pretty sure Ken Wilber was directly influenced by Becker's book. Many references are made in Atman Project. Here's one paragraph showing the striking difference between the messages of two authors:
Quote:
All in all, Becker's works cover the subjective and objective wings, and the Eros and Thanatos sides, of the heroic Atman project— the attempt of the creature to be Infinite, to be All, to be Atman. And, up to this point, Becker and I are in perfect agreement. But Becker thinks that men and women want to be God because they are spineless liars, whereas I maintain they want to be God because their ultimate potential is God. For Becker—and to use my terms—the Atman project is a fundamental lie about Atman. The individual heroically wants eternity and infinity, but since (according to Becker) there is no eternity and infinity, the heroic urge—the Atman project—is just a lie, plain and simple. And the self is a lie, and culture is a lie, and religion is a lie (to which Huston Smith responded: I have made many generalizations, but ''none, we trust, as irresponsible as this.").352
Edited by Tony (05/24/10 01:45 AM)
|
Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery



Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
|
Re: Calling all true seekers. [Re: Tony]
#12618506 - 05/24/10 06:27 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
I think Becker has a ton more evidence to back his position although it's beyond me who is ultimately correct. But I got to go with the odds.
I've read a bit of Wilber and I was never impressed except by "Grace and Grit".
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
|
MarkostheGnostic
Elder


Registered: 12/09/99
Posts: 14,279
Loc: South Florida
Last seen: 3 years, 21 days
|
Re: Calling all true seekers. [Re: Tony]
#12623042 - 05/24/10 10:02 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
I never cross-referenced with Wilber's book, so thanks for bringing this out. I remain incorrigibly 'cosmic,' at least since 1973. All of THIS, cannot be for nought. It is absurd to think so. We must jettison stages, else our attachment to spent 'vehicles' drag us down with the useless husks to be incinerated in the downward fall. Senses give rise to rationale, and thence to transrational (which is faith), and finally to gnosis, gyan. I'm just a 'Sputnick' with a smiley-face, observing the global predicament from my temporary limited human perspective.
-------------------- γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself
|
Tony
Stranger

Registered: 09/25/09
Posts: 958
Last seen: 8 years, 3 months
|
|
Quote:
MarkostheGnostic said: We must jettison stages, else our attachment to spent 'vehicles' drag us down with the useless husks to be incinerated in the downward fall.
Nice analogy. I'm not sure if there is a physical way to do this yet, as in occupying an astral vehicle instead of a gross body, but losing one's false sense of individuality and the baggage that goes with that seems like a nice start, even if the rest of the world is still concerned with personal success stories.
|
MarkostheGnostic
Elder


Registered: 12/09/99
Posts: 14,279
Loc: South Florida
Last seen: 3 years, 21 days
|
Re: Calling all true seekers. [Re: Tony]
#12626587 - 05/25/10 03:24 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
It seemed to me, following the highest moment of my life, that in that 'condition,' pure Identity was the All. There was no ego-reflection upon pure awareness - the awareness was aware of awareness (for lack of better words), and it was Clear Effulgence that was Itself "Unbearable Compassion." Our error is not in denying an Atman, which IS the Clear Light, our error is that we confuse our temporary 'vehicles' or bodies with True Identity. I don't think that I have to be more aware of the Ultimate Condition than the temporal condition (like I used to). I thought I had to be in Sat Chit Ananda. I think that I simply have to learn fearlessness, because fear seems to be connected to the over-identification with the physical body primarily. I honor the physical and endeavor to take the utmost care of it while learning to lay it down fearlessly when the time comes. Although, the lower astral hells may be something to fear too, insofar as one is then attached to, and identified with the astral body (why, just look at the weirdness and monster on 'Lost.' ) At the end of 'Lost,' the character Jack opens doors in which he dissolves into Radiance. Same thing at the end of 'Ghost' with the late Patrick Swazy. There too, the lower and higher astral had there respective directions to hell and heaven.
I'm fortunate enough to be able to wear jeans to work. As far as I'm concerned, it's equivalent to wearing a safron robe or a dhoti. They're Levis from Kansas, not designer jeans. It tells a lot of people that I don't care about their fashion/status/worldly life. I must be communicating, because after seeing my Mazda Miata, my chiropractor said 'I bet you can afford a more expensive car, but choose not to drive one.' He was spot on.
-------------------- γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself
|
|