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Re: i finally tried 2C-E [Re: The_Ghost]
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cactus has nausea which is followed by intense euphoria. 2ce has neither of that for me. which allows me to focus on visuals more. and also it's a lot easier to think and use deductive reasoning and such on 2ce. very clear-headed trip. also speedy like caffeine and although makes me clever and quick in conversations hinders my "acting" performance and my anxiety kicks in 
that can be controlled with a small dose tho
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Re: i finally tried 2C-E [Re: wowcoolman]
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wowcoolman said: cactus has nausea which is followed by intense euphoria. 2ce has neither of that for me. which allows me to focus on visuals more. and also it's a lot easier to think and use deductive reasoning and such on 2ce. very clear-headed trip. also makes me jittery like caffeine and although makes me clever and quick in conversations hinders my "acting" performance and my anxiety kicks in 
that can be controlled with a small dose tho
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Re: i finally tried 2C-E [Re: wowcoolman]
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wowcoolman said: cactus has nausea which is followed by intense euphoria. 2ce has neither of that for me. which allows me to focus on visuals more. and also it's a lot easier to think and use deductive reasoning and such on 2ce. very clear-headed trip. also speedy
yeah i have severe nausea and intense euphoria with both. both of those exaggerated on 2C-E actually. the euphoria i had really shocked me. a welcome surprise of course. and yeah- i felt really speedy but i was tripping too hard to actually make sentences for most of it...
not so much for me on precise thinking either- i mean, it was there for sure, but definitely not like on something like lsd for me. the major factor IME was the fucking fantasy. i mean, full fucking blown fantasy- if i could imagine it, my mind's eye could picture it in magnificent, pristine psychedelic interpretations... i'm in love
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Re: i finally tried 2C-E [Re: Avid]
#12608124 - 05/22/10 03:15 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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ywah it's like being in a dream, man. i haven't tried lsd yet
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Re: i finally tried 2C-E [Re: wowcoolman]
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wowcoolman said: ywah it's like being in a dream, man. i haven't tried lsd yet
when my friend and i were discussing this trip we both likened the peak experience (the out of body, turn-on-a-dime cartoon visual circus of beauty) to a perfectly vivid, perfectly lucid dream. except i was quite certainly awake.

and LSD is a different creature completely if you ask me. completely different nature- visually, bodily, and mentally IMO. although the fractals could be strongly similar at times.
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Re: i finally tried 2C-E [Re: mrnoname]
#12608270 - 05/22/10 05:34 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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2C-E as well as every other phenethylamine are organic substances, nature just hasn't showed them to us yet. they are even starting to find substituted amphetamines that some of the ones previously thought of as lab only are in the leaves of acacia trees.
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starfire_xes said: 2C-E as well as every other phenethylamine are organic substances, nature just hasn't showed them to us yet. they are even starting to find substituted amphetamines that some of the ones previously thought of as lab only are in the leaves of acacia trees.
i really think that point is moot when taking safety into consideration, which is most often the basis of the "organic drug" thing. consider radon. 
but i'm getting off point. take what you're comfortable with. /that. this experience was incredibly intense, amazing and beneficial for me. i've felt more alert and excited about life in general since the trip and it's been over a week.
also, it changed the way i think about visuals- honestly. it added so many new layers to what i considered psychedelic imagery. furthermore, i feel like a lot of the phenomena that occurred during that trip were objective glances at the way my senses truly work. i've always felt i was seeing/experiencing "the drug" with all my other trips. i know that the 2C-E facilitated the conditions, but i'm confident that at some points i was witnessing very intricate workings of the mechanics of my sensory perceptions- i.e. the still frame shots of the splashing water/sand.
i didn't even mention the auditory hallucinations in my trip report because of how utterly alien they were to the language i know to describe hearing there were no frank auditory hallucinations (which i've had on mescaline, a PEA cousin of 2C-E) but there was *extreme* amplification of far-off sounds- i could distinctly hear twigs crack under car tires from a quarter mile away (being a metal head, this level of hearing was extraordinary haha). there was also intense "swelling" and "tunneling" of sounds. don't interpret that as "flanging" and "echoing", because i'm familiar with both and this was different.
because of overwhelming synesthesia, i can now better relate my senses to each other, for sure. all of my senses became intermingled at every combination of 2 (and sometimes 3 [but this would be better defined as delusion rather than psychedelia]) at some point; each new combination manifesting itself within my psyche as authentically as a brand new sense in and of itself. what i mean to say is (for instance)- my sense of hearing would become completely intertwined with my sense of touch (dynamically and audibly hearing the buzzing of vibration in sound waves), which was as natural as a hidden sense i had had all along- somewhere deep within my brain, waiting for the right synaptic pathways to open up for me to understand.
of course that is all gone now... at least the sensational aspect of all that synesthesia speak. but i distinctly remember having felt those brand new ways of sensing.
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Re: i finally tried 2C-E [Re: Avid]
#12608290 - 05/22/10 05:51 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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right, i was just using the chemistry definition of organic.supposedly these acacia trees in new mexico contain traces of about every identifiable substance know to man to be psychoactive. DMT, amphetamines, subbed PEAs, and enough fucking nicotine to kill you if you arent careful.
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Re: i finally tried 2C-E [Re: Avid]
#12608296 - 05/22/10 05:55 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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i really liked 2C-E also, but i did feel some crappy body load, especially on the comedown. and this 2C-P is way more like mescaline than 2C-E is.... got the beautiful euphoric trip of mescaline without 2C-E's weird body stuff.
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starfire_xes said: i really liked 2C-E also, but i did feel some crappy body load, especially on the comedown. and this 2C-P is way more like mescaline than 2C-E is.... got the beautiful euphoric trip of mescaline without 2C-E's weird body stuff.
this is what's perplexing me the most!  all i hear is that there was "lack of euphoria" and more often a general feeling of tense uneasiness in the body from every single report...
but for me- this was seriously akin to the body high/ euphoria of an absolutely perfected (in action and in dosage) version of MDMA! O_o did i do something wrong?!
admittedly, the hour and 15 leading up to the peaking was fucking tense and very uncomfortable- but all the while i felt that nothing could be any more perfect in the world and in myself than on 2C-E on that hillside on that day...
i really don't know... my friend who's actively doing it enjoys the body high of that high dose as well, but says lower doses (3-4mg sniffed) make him incurably cold and he never gets over that initial uneasiness we experienced on the come up of that large dose... hmmm- i'm wondering..
this is probably really stupid, but i'm just following this adderall- laden train of thought where it's going- could it be that 2C-E below a certain dosage might induce that nonplus in the body???
i mean... from where i'm sitting right now it seems to make sense, based on both of our experiences with this particular batch of strange, powerful white powder called 2C-E...
although, i've read snippets of people doing around .06g (haven't read the reports, just saw notes on em somewhere on the netzz) that seemed to not be able to experience much more than severe discomfort and accompanying psychic terror of what was happening to them physically... sooo... i really just don't fucking know about this one guiz...  
my friend's gone through about 300mg in the past 2 weeks and i'll be intensely interrogating him about dosage and effects and tolerance in the weeks to come. i still plan on thoroughly researching it myself this fall (at a much slower pace than my buddy) to really get a good grasp of the chemical.
i am really in love with it... but i'm hoping i didn't just have a uniquely enjoyable experience...
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starfire_xes said: right, i was just using the chemistry definition of organic.supposedly these acacia trees in new mexico contain traces of about every identifiable substance know to man to be psychoactive. DMT, amphetamines, subbed PEAs, and enough fucking nicotine to kill you if you arent careful.
That's insane! Imagine if you were an animal and ate some of those leaves, that would be fucked.
I wanna try 2C-E again, I didn't really enjoy it at the time, wasn't expecting its' intensity.
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starfire_xes said: right, i was just using the chemistry definition of organic.supposedly these acacia trees in new mexico contain traces of about every identifiable substance know to man to be psychoactive. DMT, amphetamines, subbed PEAs, and enough fucking nicotine to kill you if you arent careful.
yeah- that nicotine stat is crazy to me. do you know if that means oral dosage or smoked or?? because if it's oral, that might actually not be that big of a deal considering that like a pack of cigs worth of oral nicotine is fatal  but i can't remember if they stated admin notes in what i was reading about it. we probably read the same thing, though.
also, they've found straight fucking methamphetamine in at least one species of acacia i know...
so i've decided- whenever i feel inclined to try an investigation of meth, i'm gonna find a way to extract it from that acacia so i can feel proud of myself for only doing all natural meff as mother nature intended!!

   
   
   
  
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Re: i finally tried 2C-E [Re: Avid]
#12608358 - 05/22/10 06:36 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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i did 100mg last saturday and sunday, it was really euphoric, i also dont know why people say there is no euphoria on 2C_E. just had a tense 2 hour comeup, and also felt really crappy when i came down. 2C-P, on the other hand, only made me tense for about the first 30 minutes. after that it is just like a perfect candy-flip
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Re: i finally tried 2C-E [Re: Avid]
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starfire_xes said: right, i was just using the chemistry definition of organic.supposedly these acacia trees in new mexico contain traces of about every identifiable substance know to man to be psychoactive. DMT, amphetamines, subbed PEAs, and enough fucking nicotine to kill you if you arent careful.
yeah- that nicotine stat is crazy to me. do you know if that means oral dosage or smoked or?? because if it's oral, that might actually not be that big of a deal considering that like a pack of cigs worth of oral nicotine is fatal  but i can't remember if they stated admin notes in what i was reading about it. we probably read the same thing, though.
I've heard there's enough nictine in a cigar to overdose 5 people, if you would put it in water overnight and drink it. Dunno if it's true, but that's fucked up if it is.
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i was thinking of getting a shitload of acacia bark and leaves and see what could be extracted, just wondering if a ton of fucking nicotine would be one of the alkaloids extracted.
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Smoking pure nicotine would be funny.
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mongo lloyd said: Smoking pure nicotine would be funny.
from what i understand about native american use a shit load of smoked nicotine can induce delirium. so i imagine with pure nicotine you would really smoke yourself sick quickly. surely rustica would still be the better nicotine source, though. i can't imagine those acacias having more nicotine than that non-commercial tobacco.
or am i totally wrong?? 
this is getting so off topic haha but the subject is interesting so

wow it's been such an awesome day since i posted this early this morning. i feel that i may be a little too fucked up actually.
not to say i don't feel incredible- i just may have to compromise on some plans i had for music making tonight.
so, i guess my biggest worry is one you'd want to have haha. 
i'm sped up on adderall to an uncomfortable level- couldn't sleep so i took iton zero tolerance to stay up for this huge day and i've been blabber-jawed and over the top genial to perfect strangers all day...
off the wall, i know, but it's what reminded me of a conversation my friend and i had on that trip. we discussed how active that amphetamine group in 2C-E must be, because that 10-11mg insufflated had speediness comparable to twice as much dextroamp salts. but it was a much much more comfortable type of speediness.
can anyone else confirm similar contrasts?
i feel i'm being beyond over-analytical but it happens when i have powerful novel experiences like this one.. 
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