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Re: can they kick my door in ????? [Re: tonyshroom]
#12607645 - 05/22/10 12:54 AM (14 years, 22 hours ago) |
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Ha! Cops are nothing but lying bastards and will make up whatever they can to get a warrant! Caltrops out front and around the back! You will hear them coming! Oh and there is nothing illegal about having your own 'flashbangs' For security in your own yard either!
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Re: can they kick my door in ????? [Re: tonyshroom]
#12607702 - 05/22/10 01:08 AM (14 years, 22 hours ago) |
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Look, Bottom line. They will do what they want when they want and the burden of proof falls on the accused. The accused will be booked and will have to prepare the defense from within the confines of a highly controlled lock down situation where the only tools at your disposal are for the first few days is a telephone, then eventually you'll get your commissary complimentary bag of 1 1 1/2'' toothbrush small tube of bob barker tooth paste, small bar of soap,couple pieces of small paper and 2 small pencils..
telephone and pencils are your tools. you may use the telephone when and if it comes to you or you are deemed cleared to use it. you may call collect. who the hell are you going to call collect? collect on a cell phone? Sometimes you can but very rare.
Patriot act throws out all the mis info people believe. Just like in the movies when someone say's are you a cop? people belive that a cop has to tell you they are a cop, that is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard...
bullshit, cops lie all the time. don't count on what you think to be laws statutes or codes to protect you.
I cannot entertain this any longer it burns me to even try and explain the intricacies of law.
protect yourself, rely on only yourself and go with your instincts, but be cool calm and rational smoke some herb chillax, my brother.
Look into freeman on the land---meritime law and the A4V process, and get yourself a blacks law book, hehe ( look up the definition in there for human it says definition=Monster..hehe)
thats all I can say.
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Arkady said: They don't need more cause than that. Remember what happened to the FLDS, and more recently that family in MO. They got warrants based on anonymous tips.
No clue what you're talking about but I do know this...Here in the U.S.A. they need more then heresay to get a warrant,BUT,hearsay is all the LEO's need to start an initial investigation i.e. watching you and your place,possibly rifling through your trash etc.
If they bust in your door without a warrant then all evidence will be thrown out of court.
This is what I referred to.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YFZ_Ranch In TX, multiple homes raided, children taken from their families all based on an anonymous tip from some lady in CO. She made it all up but it was still enough to obtain a warrant. Think about it.
This one was in the news recently.
Note the warrants for those raids were based on anonymous tips. Do they need a warrant Yes. Does the information to obtain the warrant need to be credible? NO!
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Re: can they kick my door in ????? [Re: Arkady]
#12649217 - 05/29/10 06:18 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well let's see here...of course they're not going to fuck around when their is belief that a minor may be being harmed!
Also,those "ranches" as they call them,aren't looked upon very well...do I need to bring up a little place called Waco,Tx...or how bout Jim Jones?!
And your little video proves nothing,there was no mention of the warrant being on hearsay. What I do know is where I live,you NEED more then hearsay.Hearsay can initiate an investigation though,and if the police find incriminating evidence,they can then obtain a search warrant.
I know my shit,at least for the state I live in...both my parents are lawyers,so I've kind of grown up around the law so to speak.
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Re: can they kick my door in ????? [Re: tonyshroom]
#12649221 - 05/29/10 06:21 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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tonyshroom said: I mean can they get a warrent if someone tells them you are? what if they will testify
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Re: can they kick my door in ????? [Re: Freakdaddy]
#12649524 - 05/29/10 08:42 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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man i cant believe they shot the dog what a bunch of faggot bitches. i mean for real they have like 80 pounds of fucking body armor and they gotta shoot the dog.
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And your little video proves nothing,there was no mention of the warrant being on hearsay. What I do know is where I live,you NEED more then hearsay.Hearsay can initiate an investigation though,and if the police find incriminating evidence,they can then obtain a search warrant.
Dude, where have you been the last few weeks? That video has been on major news networks. The police got a warrant based on an anonymous tip. This was discussed on Fox News Freedom Watch
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Re: can they kick my door in ????? [Re: fungus_tao]
#12649595 - 05/29/10 09:08 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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That might be the problem...the fact that I do not watch Fox news.
And if indeed everything was based on hearsay,it will be thrown out of court.
All I know is how things go down in my state...a judge in my state will NOT sign a warrant unless there is incriminating evidence.I'm sure if wackos moved into my state and tried starting a "Ranch" and some word got out about a minor being abused (whether sexually or not) that our LEO's would do the same as what was done in Texas (just to make sure the children are alright)...of course it would be thrown out of court in a heartbeat here,and any evidence compiled after the illegal search (and seizure) would be held inadmissible in court...in my state.
Believe me,I personally know people (friends of mine actually,in my state) that were growing weed.There was some hearsay,cops did an investigation but did not compile any evidence against said people.They did an illegal search and seizure and found plants,lights,hydro systems,etc. and guess what....it was all thrown out of court!
Give the shit in Texas some time dude....if you've ever been in any trouble with the law,had to go to court,fight for your rights and go to TRIAL,then you would know that our judicial system is slower then all holy hell.
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The Quote:
Mad Hatter 2010 said: That might be the problem...the fact that I do not watch Fox news.
That might be the most overused lame excuse for being uniformed, in history.
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Re: can they kick my door in ????? [Re: Arkady]
#12649650 - 05/29/10 09:24 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Arkady said:
This is what I referred to.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YFZ_Ranch In TX, multiple homes raided, children taken from their families all based on an anonymous tip from some lady in CO. She made it all up but it was still enough to obtain a warrant. Think about it.
From your link: "a local domestic violence shelter hotline took a call from a female claiming to be a 16-year-old victim of physical and sexual abuse at the church's YFZ Ranch.[17][18] The girl who identified herself as "Sarah""
How is that anonymous? Just because it wasnt credible..its a supposed 16 year old being abused, that has to be looked into. And just like suspending a cop who shot someone, even if hes in the right, for the investigation, they got the kids out for the investigation. Just to be sure.
An anonymous tip would be "hey this guy up the street is growing mushrooms but I dont want to give my name" Not hey, my name is Ginger and I'm being abused at my home here.
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Re: can they kick my door in ????? [Re: ModularMind]
#12649654 - 05/29/10 09:25 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Whatever you say...do you have a problem with me not liking Fox news?!
Do you have a problem with me not really liking to watch television at all?
Do you have a problem with me seeing "ranch" and just passing it over,saying to myself,"oh well,just some more wackos in Texas"...
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Re: can they kick my door in ????? [Re: scatmanrav]
#12649657 - 05/29/10 09:26 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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scatmanrav said:
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Arkady said:
This is what I referred to.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YFZ_Ranch In TX, multiple homes raided, children taken from their families all based on an anonymous tip from some lady in CO. She made it all up but it was still enough to obtain a warrant. Think about it.
From your link: "a local domestic violence shelter hotline took a call from a female claiming to be a 16-year-old victim of physical and sexual abuse at the church's YFZ Ranch.[17][18] The girl who identified herself as "Sarah""
How is that anonymous? Just because it wasnt credible..its a supposed 16 year old being abused, that has to be looked into. And just like suspending a cop who shot someone, even if hes in the right, for the investigation, they got the kids out for the investigation. Just to be sure.
An anonymous tip would be "hey this guy up the street is growing mushrooms but I dont want to give my name" Not hey, my name is Ginger and I'm being abused at my home here.
Thank you...at least there is one other member in this thread that hasn't burnt themselves out and knows their shit
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This is off topic here, but let me relate a little story that happened to me in 1998. I've mentioned before that I lived in the shit-state of Oklahoma for a period of time in the 1980s and 90s, and had a pot growing op. Someone snitched on me for no other reason than to get my house. In that state, they had a program where if you snitched and they confiscated the property and vehicles, etc., they would spit the proceeds 50/50 between the state and the snitch. This snitch was going on nothing but hearsay, but they got the warrant anyway.
Fortunately for me, I was well-connected(translation: I paid my dues to leo) and had about 24 hours notice that the raid was coming, which gave me time to clean everything out and leave. When they raided and found nothing, they planted ten pounds of weed in my house, plus scales, etc., to 'find'.
Don't assume because they're 'supposed' to get a warrant that the cops play by the rules. Judges secretly but routinely sign blank warrants on Friday afternoon so they won't get bothered over the weekend if the cops want to raid someone. As long as they 'find' something in the raid, it's awfully hard to challenge the warrant later based on probable cause.
That episode bankrupted me, cost me a house, a marriage, two Harleys, two airplanes, cars, etc., but in the end I got off on a technicality because there were multiple jurisdictions involved in the raid and not all of them were in on planting the dope. The local authorities planted the weed, but through a long process of discovery, I found that the DEA and FBI reported that 'no drugs were found' and that's how I was able to get out of it. However, had I not had the cash for lawyers, private investigators, etc., I'd still be rotting in an Oklahoma prison.
Your best bet is to be legal, but if you decide to deviate from that, tell no one, don't live in a state south of the mason/dixon line,(or a similar country) and keep anything illegal away from your home. RR
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Re: can they kick my door in ????? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#12649686 - 05/29/10 09:34 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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That sucks that happened to you RR!
Like I said before,I only know the law in my state...I have never been to Texas (and I have no desire to ever go there).One thing I know about Texas is that they are famous for their "ranches".
But I think scatmanrav summed it up perfectly.They thought a minor or minors were in trouble,they have to act on that...period.
And to anyone fearing that something might happen to them and that the cops might plant evidence....that's why I have many many security cams,inside,and outside my home and around the property line,each corner of my home has two cameras pointing in different directions,inside a camera in each corner of every room...paranoid,no not really.Making sure my home and thinsg and family are safe...damn right!
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Edited by Mad Hatter 2010 (05/29/10 09:36 AM)
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HEY!
Dont start assuming here.
Who says I havnt burnt myself out?

As far as that video..your right that was done with an anonymous tip..and heresay. And it shouldnt have been. And now the police are getting into big trouble. I think Mad Hatter meant, they cant do it without getting into trouble, or lying.
BTW, dont feel bad I dont like FOX news, or any news either..this is the first I'm hearing of the story too. Awful...
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News can be found anywhere.
All media outlets are bias.
Saying "I don't watch Fox News" only proves that your opinion is based on a narrow point of view.
Either you take all perspectives and form your own conclusions, or you are just being spoon fed what your particular news source would give you.
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Re: can they kick my door in ????? [Re: scatmanrav]
#12649724 - 05/29/10 09:45 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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No no,they can do it without getting into trouble,that's why YOU have to cover your ass,tie up all loose ends etc.
In my state though...nope,thrown out of court.
And I don;t feel bad for not watching fox news or any depressing news...I just had to call him out on his foolish comment.
Modularmind...I have no preferred news source...I just don't like Fox news.
So please,stop assuming because all you do when you assume is make an ass out of you and me.
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Re: can they kick my door in ????? [Re: ModularMind]
#12649737 - 05/29/10 09:47 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Why cant I take all but one? I can find dozens of resources online for news, why MUST I watch FOX? Not that I dont like only FOX news, I dont like ALL news. I probably "watch" FOX news more then any other news because my wife does.
What I really mean to say is I rarely LISTEN to what FOX news has to say when it comes to drugs, because I dislike most of it.
Taking what FOX says as fact, or any news service for that matter, is just being spoon fed what a particular news source would give you.
Very interesting read RR, never heard about that happening.
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Re: can they kick my door in ????? [Re: scatmanrav]
#12649745 - 05/29/10 09:49 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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scatmanrav said: Taking what FOX says as fact, or any news service for that matter, is just being spoon fed what a particular news source would give you.
yeah,that just happened 
to scatmanrav.
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Let's not forget something: Fox 'news' went to court to sue for the right to lie on the air, claiming their news isn't actually news, but entertainment. They won. RR
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