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Re: COLLAPSE - the imminent catastrophe the mainstream media try to distract you from [Re: bardleyrichard]
    #12614114 - 05/23/10 12:53 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

The mining of the tar sands in Alberta, Canada should tell you just how dire the situation is.

Wiki plz?

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During the 1920s, 50 barrels of crude oil were extracted for every barrel of crude used in the extraction and refining process. Today only 5 barrels are harvested for every barrel used. When the net energy gain of an energy source reaches zero, then the source is no longer contributing energy to an economy.
Net Energy Gain




5:1, including the very richest of sources the earth has to offer. Those Alberta Tar Sands, which are the hope of big oil? 3.3:1 if you dont cut corners in calculation.


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Re: COLLAPSE - the imminent catastrophe the mainstream media try to distract you from [Re: Asante]
    #12614157 - 05/23/10 01:05 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
Wiki plz?

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During the 1920s, 50 barrels of crude oil were extracted for every barrel of crude used in the extraction and refining process. Today only 5 barrels are harvested for every barrel used. When the net energy gain of an energy source reaches zero, then the source is no longer contributing energy to an economy.









There's no citation for that quote.
Nice try though.
And even if that is true, it doesn't show any information of how the ratio got to that, or how long it has been at 5:1. :shrug:


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Re: COLLAPSE - the imminent catastrophe the mainstream media try to distract you from [Re: bardleyrichard]
    #12614166 - 05/23/10 01:08 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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bardleyrichard said:
Quote:

Wiccan_Seeker said:
Wiki plz?

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During the 1920s, 50 barrels of crude oil were extracted for every barrel of crude used in the extraction and refining process. Today only 5 barrels are harvested for every barrel used. When the net energy gain of an energy source reaches zero, then the source is no longer contributing energy to an economy.









There's no citation for that quote.
Nice try though.
And even if that is true, it doesn't show any information of how the ratio got to that, or how long it has been at 5:1. :shrug:




arguing about the dumbest shit :sad:

Accept that we have one hell of a tragedy on our hands and that
our government doesnt give a fuck. Money rules the world. Put it
in youre pipe and suck it long and deep.

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Re: COLLAPSE - the imminent catastrophe the mainstream media try to distract you from [Re: Asante] * 1
    #12615543 - 05/23/10 05:55 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

> You try to run an economy on $300 a barrel oil. But throwing money at it isnt a quick fix, much less the durable solution.

I think you can still run an economy on $300 a barrel of oil without collapse. I'm not sure though, anything to back up your statement? Driving cars is easy on $300 per barrel. Oil price increase is a good thing because it stimulates other energy sources and innovation.

> Its all about the energy it takes to get a barrel of oil out of the ground vs the energy that barrel of oil yields. Right now we are getting uncomfortably close to a break even.

You get 5 times more energy out of oil sands than you put in, according to wiki. Then there is also transport, but we are not even close to break even. Where do you get your numbers?

> OMG its completely false. Not slightly incorrect but completely false. Well there definitely is a final drop of oil that can be had with a net energy gain and that drop is in sight.

You are removing my context and add new assumptions. I was talking about oil for plastic products and car tires. The net gain of energy is not very relevant for those.

> But Annom, will we ALWAYS have enough plastic products to meet the needs of our expanding population? Or even the current one at a steady state?

Yes, we will. It's the energy that is the problem, not the source of carbon. If we fix the energy problem, we will have plastics for ever. It really is all about the energy.

> And what the heck good are car tyres when there simply isnt enough fuel around?

We can also use gas or make fuel out of coals, for a while. Sure these are limited but buy some extra time to convert to electric. Again, energy is the problem, not oil. If we fix the energy problem, we don't need oil.

> You LOL me up Annom, you should consider working for Fox news.

I expect better of you. I have done more research into this than most of the one line posters in this thread. They just accept a single voice without understanding the issues and critical thinking. And you blame me for Fox new style?
Coal and gas give us some extra time (increasing the temp on Earth). Peak coal will take at least 20 years. It's not the final solution, I'm just saying there are a variety of energy sources that will not all run out at the same time. It's a gradual process that allows for us to adapt.

> If Nuclear is to carry the current demand for energy PLUS EXPENSES I'm sorry to say but the energetically viable Uranium and Thorium will will deplete pretty soon too.

What is pretty soon? Give me some numbers? It depends on how much we use, but there still is a lot of Uranium cheaply accessible. I'm not even talking about Thorium.

> Lets make that 100 plants like that to take care of Hollands energy bill.  Now lets read up on Superphénix.

What's the problem with 100 plants? They are not so huge that they take up all the land. The Superphenix is not really a good example, it was build in 1976. I'm talking about new technologies here.

> I agree with you fission will be our prime workhorse. But! Its not the atomic high hat from which to pull the magical rabbit that will replace the energy shortage any time soon.

I'm aware that it doesn't do magic, I think we should go for as much fission and solar as possible. We need them both and in large numbers.

>  This 13 years arent just for permits, they are also for safeties, safeties on safeties and redundant safeties on the safeties on safeties. And given that a gram of a fierce radioisotope can give millions of people cancer, would we really want it any other way?

No, but we should do it the China way, mass produce them. Not 13 years per plant, but 13 years for all the 100 plants we need in Holland. Or something like that. Not saying it's easy, but we will have to.

> You are calling this man an unrealistic deluded fuckoff yet you propose we enclose the sun and the earth entirely in one huge solar panel of trillions upon trillions upon trillions of square miles?

Come on, read what I said. The video said that unlimited growth is already approaching the physical limits on energy. That was his main argument against the current economical model. I'm saying that's bullshit exactly because we do not have a Dyson sphere for a long time. I'm not saying that we should build a Dyson sphere today or in the next decades.
Stop taking my words out of context. I said the exact opposite of what you made of it. You should consider working for Fox news.

> Do you think people will see their entire way of life and all their plans for the future destroyed and replaced by survival mode and NOT Riot?

I was responding to the video that shows riots of today that he says are the result of the collapse that is already happening. Of course there will be riots when there is a real collapse. I just don't see how today's riots have anything to do with it. The worlds has rarely been more peaceful.

> I think you are in denial and are struggling to see the up side to this. Laugh about peak oil in 10 years?

You better start reading, because I'm getting tired of this. I said IF we put all possible effort in developing and building alternative energy source.
We will not laugh about it because we don't do this. The energy problem is serious. It's the biggest problem of our lives. I'm not denying that. I know this and have said this for years. The only thing I do not agree with is passive acceptance of an inevitable collapse. I believe we can, and hopefully, will act to prevent a collapse.

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Re: COLLAPSE - the imminent catastrophe the mainstream media try to distract you from [Re: Annom]
    #12617559 - 05/23/10 11:51 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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I believe we can, and hopefully, will act to prevent a collapse.




Too late for mitigation according to the Hirsch report.

A cursory glance at history should tell you very clearly in bold that humanity doesn't act until the storm is right on top of them. Humans seem almost hard-wired towards short-term thinking.

Hope for the best, expect the worst.

Read more history, psychology, Everything. You aren't putting it all together. Society has become so complex that this is the norm. Very few people in my experience can think holistically. We live in the era of specialists.

The whole is forgotten on every level.

Mentally.

Emotionally.

Spiritually.

Do I sound crazy to you?

Talk to me in five years.


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Re: COLLAPSE - the imminent catastrophe the mainstream media try to distract you from [Re: Asante]
    #12617582 - 05/23/10 11:55 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I'm not having kids, if the world ends tomorrow I'll eat a couple tabs and laugh my ass off.  Gotta die someday, at least we wouldn't miss anything, being afraid of shit like this is pointless.  This planet is full of assholes that want to kill each other, only thing I can do about it is not participate.


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Re: COLLAPSE - the imminent catastrophe the mainstream media try to distract you from [Re: Asante]
    #12617587 - 05/23/10 11:56 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: COLLAPSE - the imminent catastrophe the mainstream media try to distract you from [Re: noticeofeviction]
    #12617618 - 05/24/10 12:01 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

^^^^Pretty much sums it up...


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Re: COLLAPSE - the imminent catastrophe the mainstream media try to distract you from [Re: bardleyrichard]
    #12617624 - 05/24/10 12:03 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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bardleyrichard said:
^^^^Pretty much sums it up...




I thought so too :smile:

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Re: COLLAPSE - the imminent catastrophe the mainstream media try to distract you from [Re: Annom]
    #12617650 - 05/24/10 12:09 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

You act like:

1) People will realize the source of the problem.

2) They will act rationally based upon that realization.

When have people EVER done so and why will they start now?

Historically, when there are resource shortages, people go to war.

Period.

It might get sold as "War on Terror" instead of "War to Take Other People's Shit" but its the same bottom line.


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Re: COLLAPSE - the imminent catastrophe the mainstream media try to distract you from [Re: zorbman]
    #12617673 - 05/24/10 12:12 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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why will they start now?




Maybe not now, but they will when they need to


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Re: COLLAPSE - the imminent catastrophe the mainstream media try to distract you from [Re: bardleyrichard]
    #12617678 - 05/24/10 12:15 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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Maybe not now, but they will when they need to




Or put another way: when they have to.

And what shape will the world be in by the time people are forced to confront the unavoidable truth?

Just read some history. :shrug:


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Re: COLLAPSE - the imminent catastrophe the mainstream media try to distract you from [Re: zorbman]
    #12617725 - 05/24/10 12:23 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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zorbman said:
Quote:

Maybe not now, but they will when they need to




Or put another way: when they have to.

And what shape will the world be in by the time people are forced to confront the unavoidable truth?

Just read some history. :shrug:



Yeah, either word works I guess.
We have no idea what shape the world will be in and we cannot predict that either.

History says that the world hasn't ended yet:shrug:


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Re: COLLAPSE - the imminent catastrophe the mainstream media try to distract you from [Re: bardleyrichard]
    #12617729 - 05/24/10 12:23 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

From Men In Black:

Edwards:  People are smart. They can handle it.

Kay: A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.


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Re: COLLAPSE - the imminent catastrophe the mainstream media try to distract you from [Re: bardleyrichard]
    #12617742 - 05/24/10 12:25 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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We have no idea what shape the world will be in and we cannot predict that either.




I disagree.

Based upon shortages in almost every area of human activity we can assume the future will be, wait for it..

Bad.


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Re: COLLAPSE - the imminent catastrophe the mainstream media try to distract you from [Re: zorbman]
    #12618035 - 05/24/10 02:13 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Did we really need another peak oil thread?

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Re: COLLAPSE - the imminent catastrophe the mainstream media try to distract you from [Re: suburbanned]
    #12618397 - 05/24/10 05:11 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Do we really need a hundred thousand threads on mudkipz?

Hit the bong, you'll feel a lot better as your mind wanders away from the topic at hand.


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    #12618399 - 05/24/10 05:12 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: COLLAPSE - the imminent catastrophe the mainstream media try to distract you from [Re: dr_gonz]
    #12618403 - 05/24/10 05:14 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Is the oil keeping you all up too?


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Re: COLLAPSE - the imminent catastrophe the mainstream media try to distract you from [Re: memes]
    #12618486 - 05/24/10 06:10 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

meams said:
Quote:

ChairmanMeow said:
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meams said:
I'm not worried.




Yeah, me neither. I'm confident that our awesomely efficient and responsive government, in bed league with the corporations who want to continue making profits without changing any of their methods until the means to do so have simply run out, are very very concerned about all the tiny anonymous people they've legally robbed of their resources. Why, they'll probably even send us all Nintendo DS's or something, for free even. Everybody keep eating Cheetos and don't panic! ("Panic is bad for business" -- Baby Jesus)



You can make as many rediculous insinuations as you want to try and belittle my shallow defense of our plagued system - but you (and wiccan, and everyone else on here) has yet to propose one single good idea that has a reasonable means of being implemented without causing more trouble than it fixes.  (or any ideas at all, unless I'm forgetting past suggestions).




That's right -- weirdly enough, THE SHROOMERY doesn't HAVE a solution for the Final Energy Crunch yet, surprise. If the world's scientists can't pull the rabbit out of the goddamned hat yet, it's not exactly shocking that a bunch of mushroom enthusiasts haven't either. We'll keep you updated, though.

"I'm not worried" isn't gonna cut it. Just because you don't acknowledge a problem looming on the horizon doesn't mean you won't have to reckon with it sooner or later. You aren't off the hook any more than the rest of us, except you haven't even taken the first step out of denial. The people whose wealth is based on the way things are are rooting for that denial, because a solution involves changing the status quo -- tremendously threatening to established wealth. And to a nation that decimated its public transportation in favour of private cars.

So, entrenched wealth maintains the status quo by chortling gently at the silly "doomsdayers" and tree-huggin' hippies, hoping to procrastinate long enough to depart their fat lives unaffected. Their denial, and the denial of anyone else buying their bullshit, is how solutions DON'T get invented until it's way too late: "no problem, no solution required" -- right?

Keep dreaming! :hotdog:


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