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OfflineAaladorn
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The Meaning of Life
    #1260449 - 01/30/03 02:26 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

This is the meaning of life as I see it. Disagree with it, agree with it; add to it, tear it down. Criticize it, or praise it. I don't care. Just try to understand what I'm trying to say. And understand that I'm not very articulate. I'm just trying to express my feelings the best that I can. So, here are my thoughts:

The meaning of life is not simple and simple, both at the same time. It can not be summed up in a single sentence.

The meaning of life cannot be found in the pursuit of finding the meaning of life. It must come to you. I believe it has come to me, and I will save you the difficult task of searching for it yourself, by sharing it with you.

The meaning of life is to live. The meaning of life is to be as happy as you can be, to witness as much beauty, and to create such beauty. The meaning of life is to be as good to others as you possibly can. To fight evil the best you can. And to love, not hate.

Everything in this universe is a contradiction. In order for there to be life, there must be death. For order; there must be chaos. For happiness, there must be unhappiness. For good, there must be evil. For light, there must be dark. Accept that in this universe of chaos, that there will always be those negative things, try not to let them overwhelm you, but try to change them to positive as much as you can.

Also, try not to be dissapointed by lives you know you could never lead, but just be happy with the one you receive, and try to make it as enjoyable as you can.

The meaning of life is not to worry about what the meaning of life is, and just live it while you can.

Edited by Aaladorn (01/30/03 02:27 AM)

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Re: The Meaning of Life [Re: Aaladorn]
    #1260489 - 01/30/03 02:43 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Hmm... First you say that the meaning of life cannot be summed up in one sentence, and then you say "The meaning of life is to live."

I think that just about sums it up! :grin:

I agree with almost everything you said, and I think it's good to remember that "everything in the universe is a contradiction," as you stated.  I like to look at it in terms of life, and the universe in general, being a balance of opposites. 
There could not be light without dark, nor could there be good without evil.  We must have a balance of opposing forces in the universe.  That is why I like the symbol of the yin yang so much!

The only part of what you said that I don't really agree with is this:

"The meaning of life is to be as good to others as you possibly can. To fight evil the best you can. And to love, not hate."

Based on what I said above, you can try to figure out why.

Good post!

-RebelSteve

 


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Re: The Meaning of Life [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #1260502 - 01/30/03 02:54 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, I see what you mean. I guess it should be, "to love the good, and hate the evil." Thanks for the response, I really like your posts.

Edited by Aaladorn (01/30/03 02:57 AM)

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Re: The Meaning of Life [Re: Aaladorn]
    #1260536 - 01/30/03 03:12 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Has anyone read Will Self's 'The Quantity Theory of Insanity'? It goes that there's only ever a certain amount of insanity present in a social group at any one time. Therefore, if a load of people are acting crazy, another load will be acting totally sane. What if this is the case with good and evil. We know that they will always exist side by side so what if being evil merely facilitates others' propersity to act morally?

Keep evil in the hands of the responsible and allow the dumb to be angelical!!!!!!!

I mean, how can acting out the common good be the meaning of life? Surely it's simply a value judgement and a choice to be made and unmade...

This coming from a vegan who, obviously, has come to the conclusion that the reduction of unnecessary harm to others is a good way to go. Still wouldn't call it the meaning of life though. :wink:

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Re: The Meaning of Life [Re: Aaladorn]
    #1260539 - 01/30/03 03:14 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

oh dear.

maybe this means i'm merely putting an axe in the hands of another...

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Re: The Meaning of Life [Re: Aaladorn]
    #1260633 - 01/30/03 04:02 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I guess it should be, "to love the good, and hate the evil."

No, no, no. Love and hate also depend on each other. It should be: "Think that loving the good and hating the evil would be nice."

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Re: The Meaning of Life [Re: Nomad]
    #1260640 - 01/30/03 04:06 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

(And yes, that was fucking sarcasm. )

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Re: The Meaning of Life [Re: Nomad]
    #1260644 - 01/30/03 04:07 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

And RebelSteve, for heavens sake, drop that Ayn Rand book  :wink: 

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Re: The Meaning of Life [Re: Nomad]
    #1261056 - 01/30/03 06:58 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

:confused:

but why?  it's one of the best books i've ever had the pleasure of reading.  plus i'm only a couple chapters away from the end!!! :laugh:

i just wish more people were participating in the so-called "discussion."  :crazy:

/me shrugs.

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Re: The Meaning of Life [Re: Aaladorn]
    #1261356 - 01/30/03 08:30 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I feel the closest thing to "meaning" or "purpose" that life has is to keep reproducing and keep spreading. Other than that, its all subjective :smile:


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Re: The Meaning of Life [Re: Aaladorn]
    #1261839 - 01/30/03 10:58 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Ithink the meaning of life is to experience life and grow through those experiences.


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Re: The Meaning of Life [Re: Aaladorn]
    #1261852 - 01/30/03 11:06 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Well said! I agree on all counts.

In my own words, the meaning of life is to live, to love.. to experience the wonder and beauty that is consciousness, to manifest our thoughts and dreams, to integrate negative experiences into tools of learning, to constantly strive to learn life through new experiences. Life is a cosmic school...but it is also a great big playground. Enjoy, have fun, and always laugh.


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Re: The Meaning of Life [Re: Aaladorn]
    #1261888 - 01/30/03 11:20 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I guess it should be, "to love the good, and hate the evil."\


How about "to love all that is living, and hate none." Love all that is living, because they are living in the same world you are. They may have a different reality, but accept that for each to have their own reality. For to hate is conceivable by me, but there is very little that I hate. Except the government, but thats not hate towards a fellow man that is hate towards a system of operation.


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Re: The Meaning of Life [Re: Aaladorn]
    #1261980 - 01/30/03 11:56 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think this is the meaning of life, its too wordy. I have encountered enourmous outputs of energy and meaning before, and I guess I could describe it as a moment where the words just pile and pile up exponentially until they collapse under their own mass, and everything JUST IS....
Words words words....so feeble and insufficient to the infinite amazingness of sheer beingness...like thrown before you like a earth shattering explosion and a gut sucking implosion and the mind switching between these two extremes of EVERYTHING which then naturally negates itself out and a 'normal' state of conciousness is regained, until the ultimate beingness is once again realised... I agree with you guys on that one, and I also think that the yin yang is a very powerful symbol.
I think that the meaning of life is a state which can only be realised for small moments in our lives, because when in that state one is in such a extatic nirvana that they are rendered literally useless for funcitoning in the 'real world'....though I think that every time this realisation is reached, a little bit more of it can be brought back to ordinary conciousness....maybe one day I will be able to realise this infinity all the time and still be able to function as a being as well, who knows? Does anyone think you can grasp the meaning of life at any given moment, or permanently? Or do you think it is a state gained through mind excercises such as meditation or the use of psychedelic drugs, etc?
One thing I might drop in here for those of you reading this thread...if you haven't tried it already, I truly believe that Nitrous Oxide is THE MOST philosophical drug that I have tried, and it is especially effective if combined with another hallucinogen of some kind :wink: try it! Some people don't get the crazyness of it, just a buzz but man, the people that do get the 'meaning of life' high from it are changed forever! Ok so I am rambling, once again. And yes, this is wordy too :P

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Re: The Meaning of Life [Re: Aaladorn]
    #1262008 - 01/30/03 12:10 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

To experience ourselves as God by sheding our rememberance of knowing everything and starting from scratch?





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Re: The Meaning of Life [Re: Aaladorn]
    #1262535 - 01/30/03 03:14 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

There is no meaning to life. I think a lot of people need there to be a reason to live. I don' think there is a greater 'purpose' for us as living organisms. We are simply here, existing in the universe.


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Re: The Meaning of Life [Re: Aaladorn]
    #1262740 - 01/30/03 04:18 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

the meaning of life can be sumed up by looking at a flower. And why shouldnt it be? Plants grow, just as humans. We both exist. We both fall under the category of Life.

Live. Grow. Expand. Evolve. - This is your meaning.


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Re: The Meaning of Life [Re: thePatient]
    #1262866 - 01/30/03 05:10 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Live. Grow. Expand. Evolve. - This is your meaning.



Don't forget sex, procreation, the continuation of your genetic code... it's fun too.


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Re: The Meaning of Life [Re: Evolving]
    #1262871 - 01/30/03 05:14 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

So basically... Live, Sex, Grow, Sex, Expand, Sex, Evolve, Sex


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Re: The Meaning of Life [Re: thePatient]
    #1263176 - 01/30/03 07:01 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

"the meaning of life can be sumed up by looking at a flower. And why shouldnt it be? Plants grow, just as humans. We both exist. We both fall under the category of Life."

If the meaning of life can be summed up by looking at a flower, then why aren't there just flowers?

lol you don't have to answer that hehehe I just couldn't resist


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Re: The Meaning of Life [Re: Strumpling]
    #1263184 - 01/30/03 07:06 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Ying and Yang


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Re: The Meaning of Life [Re: GrowingVines]
    #1263185 - 01/30/03 07:07 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I thought it was "YIN" and "YANG?" maybe either way?


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Re: The Meaning of Life [Re: Strumpling]
    #1263188 - 01/30/03 07:08 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

not sure...now me have to go find it in book =).


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Re: The Meaning of Life [Re: thePatient]
    #1263676 - 01/30/03 10:08 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

The meaning of your life luckily enough, is to create your own meaning.

And that is why I smile =)

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Re: The Meaning of Life [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #1264874 - 01/31/03 07:32 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

but why? it's one of the best books i've ever had the pleasure of reading. plus i'm only a couple chapters away from the end!!! i just wish more people were participating in the so-called "discussion."

I enjoy your debate over there very much. Unfortunately, I absolutely hate Ayn Rand.

I'm obviously not the one to tell you what to read and what to drop. Reading is a good thing. However, you might also want to read up a little on the other side of Ayn Rand, the dark side. She definitely promotes a very controversial philosophy. I'm not sure if it is a good thing to base one's everyday life on the writings of  someone who argued that the violent conquest of America was...

"...a superlative material achievement in the midst of an untouched wilderness, against the resistance of savage tribes.''

So, don't drop the book. It's a great book. But be a little critical, will ya? I mean, you are a scientist. You are supposed to be critical, no?  :wink:     

Edited by Nomad (01/31/03 07:33 AM)

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Re: The Meaning of Life [Re: Nomad]
    #1264895 - 01/31/03 07:37 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I think RebelSteve33 is quite capable of separating the wheat from the chaff. With Ayn Rand, there is definitely some mental nourishment and some things worth considering.


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Re: The Meaning of Life [Re: Evolving]
    #1264940 - 01/31/03 07:48 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I think RebelSteve33 is quite capable of separating the wheat from the chaff.

No doubt. It's just that it is a very suggestive book. You know, all the factory-owners are tall, blonde and blue-eyed, and all the socially committed people are small, old and wrinkled.

With Ayn Rand, there is definitely some mental nourishment and some things worth considering.

No doubt. But that which is worth considering is better explained by better writers. Especially those who are really anti-authoritarian.

Ah, how I miss the times when I was a politics junkie. I used to eat an anarcho-capitalist for breakfast at least once a week. But there are, indeed, better drugs out there than politics.

Now, how did I get here... umm... a little off-topic, isn't it?

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Re: The Meaning of Life [Re: Aaladorn]
    #1266841 - 01/31/03 07:50 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Since I've been reading The Fountainhead recently:
I am the meaning of life, me.


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Re: The Meaning of Life [Re: Aaladorn]
    #1267316 - 02/01/03 05:03 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

firstly in this world the meaning of living, is to rpeorudce and carry on the species, aside from that..

Why do people ask whats the maning of life? whats it all about? where do we come from? where are we going?

Its all the same thing, somewhere deep inside these questions are answered, look within yourself. :tongue:


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Re: The Meaning of Life [Re: Evolving]
    #1268791 - 02/01/03 03:16 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I think RebelSteve33 is quite capable of separating the wheat from the chaff.

Thank you, Evolving; I appreciate that! :smile:

I do appreciate your warning, though, Nomad.  It was very considerate.

The philosophy that Rand represents is a very controversial way of thinking, and the way she presents it in her books does make it seem very desireable.  But I know enough not to let myself be brainwashed.

I have been debating with myself over the philosophy that she represents ever since I read Anthem.  Now I have read The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged, and I'm still not sure what exactly I feel about her views.

As of right now I would have to say that I agree with Rand's views in many aspects, but there are certain, very strong aspects of my own philosophy that make me have to disagree with her in some ways.  It would take forever for me to explain exactly how, but for now let me just say that my own philosophy on the subject  is a mixture of hers and my own.

Anyhow... The point is  that I think the book is, without a doubt, worth reading.  As long as you allow yourself to be objective, yet skeptical about it at the same time.  :wink:

-RebelSteve

P.S.  Sorry 'bout this thread going a bit off topic!  :blush: 

I'll shut up now!  :laugh:


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Re: The Meaning of Life [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #1268796 - 02/01/03 03:16 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Good quote! 

Good book, too!

:laugh:

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Re: The Meaning of Life [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #1268994 - 02/01/03 04:40 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

How can one resist the temptation of a post such as this:

" the meaning of life is to decide your own meaning, if you cannot understand this than you are foolish. It is easy to get caught up in your individual meaning by placing too much emphasis on it, after all your death may be around the next corner. therefore you should live every moment as the meaning of your life which it is. So you must first dream of a warm blanket on a cold winters night before the dream of a great artist or musician can be experienced. live each moment as an expression toward your dream "

" when you fall asleep you dream, and when you awaken you continue to dream, and very few ever become lucid during this experience "


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Re: The Meaning of Life [Re: Aaladorn]
    #1269145 - 02/01/03 05:34 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

just throwing out a thought here...
many say that one creates his own reality. if one creates his own reality, then does he not also create his own purpose and meaning for life? i think that everyone has a different "meaning of life", depending on the reality they've created for themselves, even if this is a slight difference in some cases.


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Re: The Meaning of Life [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #1285907 - 02/06/03 03:08 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Steve,
I sort of feel the same way although I feel I need to read some more of Rands work before I can feel like I have a grasp of her objectivism philosophy. I really liked Roarks defense at the end of The Fountain Head . Altruism may not be all it is cracked up to be. I've been thinking a lot about her views regarding individualism vs collectivism in regards to the US vs the UN. Anyway, I think it is always good advice to remain true to ones self.
You might enjoy this if you haven't seen it.
The Objectivism Reference Center


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Re: The Meaning of Life [Re: Aaladorn]
    #1286810 - 02/06/03 07:16 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Everything in this universe is a contradiction. In order for there to be life, there must be death. For order; there must be chaos. For happiness, there must be unhappiness. For good, there must be evil. For light, there must be dark. Accept that in this universe of chaos, that there will always be those negative things, try not to let them overwhelm you, but try to change them to positive as much as you can.

I agree with this. It's like this paragraph. If the whole paragraph is in bold--a feature used to highlight something special, except for this small portion, which part stands out at the reader? So if everything were written in bold, then it would lose its power.

I'll shut up now.

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Re: The Meaning of Life [Re: Aaladorn]
    #1286906 - 02/06/03 08:17 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

The meaning of life is to LIVE IT. You've only got one life to live and who knows if you're resurrected as someone or something else when you die. As far as I know, that's it when you're it. So I believe living life to the fullest is the meaning of life, that way when I'm on my death bed I can think to myself that I had no doubts about whatever I did through my term. Instead of being someone who lets chances go by, I'll grasp them when the window of opportunity is open and give it my best shot and be the best I can be. And hopefully have a kid who can be even better than me to carry on my legacy and hopefully he'll have kin to which they'll in time begin.

LIVE YOUR LIFE, YOU'VE ONLY GOT ONE TO LIVE,
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