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    #12604322 - 05/21/10 01:56 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Anybody know any good sources that I could read about them from?
I already know I'm not going to give them to my son, I just wanted to read more about them.

Thimerosal... :nonono:


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Re: Vaccinations [Re: maerigan]
    #12604329 - 05/21/10 01:57 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

ya im not to keen on injecting babys with mercury ....


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Re: Vaccinations [Re: P-O]
    #12604339 - 05/21/10 02:00 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

For sure.
He's about to have to go in for his 6 month check up, and his doctor has politely suggested at his other appointments that maybe next time he'll get his shots?...
And keeps trying to talk us into giving him I think the Hib, MMR and Dtap

So... I'm trying to read as much as I can so that I have more reasons than "it's just our personal decision"


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Re: Vaccinations [Re: maerigan]
    #12604379 - 05/21/10 02:07 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

i did a bunch of research last year, when every was getting vaccinations .  After all my research, i Opted that getting the "swine flu" was better, then injecting my body with the vaccine.

I was surprised how people literary lined down the street, to to inject there body with this "magic cure".  But the media also did put out a lot of fear on the this "epidemic" :tongue:....


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Re: Vaccinations [Re: P-O]
    #12604386 - 05/21/10 02:08 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

[url=http:/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLYrSfnsqb0]http:/
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After 3:30 gets good :thumbup:


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Re: Vaccinations [Re: P-O]
    #12604417 - 05/21/10 02:13 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

look into jenny McCarthy's Autism Organization...

she believes there is a connection between autism in kids, and the mercury in vaccines.. and so do many other!!


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Re: Vaccinations [Re: P-O]
    #12604510 - 05/21/10 02:30 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

My husband had read that a long time ago, and that's why he's been very serious about not giving our son shots.
In the hospital I swear, everyone that would come in the room would say "are you sure you're not going to give him the Hep B vaccine?"

And people kept bugging me the whole time I was pregnant "you know, they say that pregnant women are most at risk for the swine flu, you need to get your shot"

I've tried really hard to keep developing naturally without putting all of this stupid shit into his body and it makes me want to punch people in the face when they think that there's going to be something wrong with him because I'm not doing things their way.

He's happier and healthier than any baby I know.

I know this probably sounds gross, but I couldn't even brush my teeth with toothpaste when I was pregnant with him because when I tried putting it in my mouth I would vomit.  Like my body was like "hell no!"

I just think skin is his first line of defense against infection, why the hell would I want to fuck with that and force his body to fight diseases/viruses from the inside out? That seems like it would really throw off his immune system


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Re: Vaccinations [Re: maerigan]
    #12605106 - 05/21/10 04:12 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Just Eat healthy and keep your body alkaline (not acidic), and you will not get sick!

I have not been sick in about 2 years.. but years ago i used to be a smoker/drinker, and drank pop, and ate fast food. I was sick at least once a month.  This is because my body was acidic.  There are many books on the subject.  Very interesting stuff!!



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Re: Vaccinations [Re: P-O]
    #12605217 - 05/21/10 04:35 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I understand that this is your choice...but please read a lot more on it...realize that there are people out there that are smarter then you and me and more qualified to take this decisions and take their opinions into consideration...in my opinion what you are doing is highly irresponsible,for you child first and then for the rest of the population.

There is a chance you will regret this and it will end very badly...don't make a decision like that lightly.You asked for places you can read more,well all I can suggest is that you learn the science behind vaccinations and diseases.Look at what people who have devoted their life to studying this things have to say and put their opinion into perspective,it's not that hard and your child's future deserves it.

Also learn some chemistry,tiomersal is not the same as mercury,that's like saying we are made out of ash because we are carbon based organisms.Try to understand the science you are dismissing.


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Re: Vaccinations [Re: maerigan]
    #12605276 - 05/21/10 04:45 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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lady tramp said:
Anybody know any good sources that I could read about them from?
I already know I'm not going to give them to my son, I just wanted to read more about them.

Thimerosal... :nonono:




:facepalm:

Do you really wanna run the risk of your kids getting  diphtheria, hepatitis A, hepatitis B, polio, measles or the mumps.

:dudewtf:

I can see not wanting the flu vaccine, since you really cant vaccinate against it.

But a onetime shot in the arm to ward against the above mentioned diseases is worth it IMO


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Re: Vaccinations [Re: niteowl]
    #12605327 - 05/21/10 04:55 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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niteowl said:
Quote:

lady tramp said:
Anybody know any good sources that I could read about them from?
I already know I'm not going to give them to my son, I just wanted to read more about them.

Thimerosal... :nonono:




:facepalm:

Do you really wanna run the risk of your kids getting  diphtheria, hepatitis A, hepatitis B, polio, measles or the mumps.

:dudewtf:

I can see not wanting the flu vaccine, since you really cant vaccinate against it.

But a onetime shot in the arm to ward against the above mentioned diseases is worth it IMO



Yeah I agree fuck flu shots it didn't work for the 70's swine flu it's all about $$$


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Re: Vaccinations [Re: 13.step]
    #12605350 - 05/21/10 04:59 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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I understand that this is your choice...but please read a lot more on it...realize that there are people out there that are smarter then you and me and more qualified to take this decisions and take their opinions into consideration...in my opinion what you are doing is highly irresponsible,for you child first and then for the rest of the population.

There is a chance you will regret this and it will end very badly...don't make a decision like that lightly.You asked for places you can read more,well all I can suggest is that you learn the science behind vaccinations and diseases.Look at what people who have devoted their life to studying this things have to say and put their opinion into perspective,it's not that hard and your child's future deserves it.



This.

also, i realize quoting a TV show isnt the greatest source but this always stuck with me..

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House after being told by a mother that she will not vaccinate because she believes it is just a scam for drug companies to make money:

You know another really good business? Teeny tiny baby coffins. You can get 'em in frog green, fire-engine red, really. The antibodies in yummy mummy only protect the kid for six months, which is why these companies think they can gouge you. They think that you'll spend whatever they ask to keep your kid alive.

Wanna change things? Prove 'em wrong.

Few hundred parents like you decide they'd rather let their kid die than cough up forty bucks for a vaccination, believe me, prices will drop really fast.




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Re: Vaccinations [Re: frith]
    #12605505 - 05/21/10 05:27 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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13.step said:
in my opinion what you are doing is highly irresponsible,for you child first and then for the rest of the population.






In my opinion, injecting a perfectly healthy baby with substances that we don't honestly know the long term effects of is highly irresponsible for future generations.

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niteowl said:
:facepalm:

Do you really wanna run the risk of your kids getting  diphtheria, hepatitis A, hepatitis B, polio, measles or the mumps.






How the hell would a baby contract hep B, seriously?

:dudewtf:


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But a onetime shot in the arm to ward against the above mentioned diseases is worth it IMO




A lot of these shots are not one shot in the arm, they are a series of shots and it is very debatable that these shots have led to the increase in autistic children.


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also, i realize quoting a TV show isnt the greatest source but this always stuck with me..







Yes quoting a TV show is not the greatest source. Please do yourself a favor and get out from in front of the tv. Read a book maybe :shrug:


Didn't mean to be rude, but seriously people made it this far without all the crap people inject babies with today. Personally I think people of older generations are healthier by far then these younger generations.


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Re: Vaccinations [Re: trampis]
    #12605538 - 05/21/10 05:34 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

You might want to go read a book...as I said the best advice I can give is understand the science you are dismissing,and I am pretty sure you don't.


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Re: Vaccinations [Re: trampis]
    #12605597 - 05/21/10 05:48 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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trampis said:
Please do yourself a favor and get out from in front of the tv. Read a book maybe :shrug:



i do/have read about it. actually, ive read both sides of the argument which, i believe, is more than most people debating this topic.

i just thought that quote summed it up pretty well.

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people made it this far without all the crap people inject babies with today.



but the life expectancy today is longer than it was 150 years ago..


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Re: Vaccinations [Re: frith]
    #12605639 - 05/21/10 05:59 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Here we go...

There are benefits to giving your children vaccinations.  There are also risks.


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Also learn some chemistry,tiomersal is not the same as mercury,that's like saying we are made out of ash because we are carbon based organisms.Try to understand the science you are dismissing.




Really, it's not? Because this is from the website that MAKES the vaccinations...

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Thimerosal is a mercury-containing preservative used in some vaccines and other products since the 1930's




source- http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Concerns/thimerosal/index.html

They are still currently conducting studies about these things. And do you know where they get their results? From the general public. They study the occurance of autism and the incidence of vaccinations and compare these two things until they think they find results.  But, if a company was making say... Coca Cola for example. And they said "there's no way in hell that Coca Cola could hurt you" would you believe Coca Cola, who would be making a profit from your purchase or would you believe a third party that was doing studies on it and came to the conclusion that it was in fact harmful? As many independant researchers are finding now about thimerosal?


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Quote:

House after being told by a mother that she will not vaccinate because she believes it is just a scam for drug companies to make money:

You know another really good business? Teeny tiny baby coffins. You can get 'em in frog green, fire-engine red, really. The antibodies in yummy mummy only protect the kid for six months, which is why these companies think they can gouge you. They think that you'll spend whatever they ask to keep your kid alive.

Wanna change things? Prove 'em wrong.

Few hundred parents like you decide they'd rather let their kid die than cough up forty bucks for a vaccination, believe me, prices will drop really fast.








This actually has absolutely nothing to do with not wanting to spend the oh so precious dollar on a vaccination.  If I was absolutely sure that it was something that my child would benefit from, I would definitely do it.  But, even on the website of the makers of these things, it all seems pretty sketchy.

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Because signs of autism may appear around the same time children receive the MMR vaccine, some parents may worry that the vaccine causes autism. Vaccine safety experts, including experts at CDC and the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), agree that MMR vaccine is not responsible for recent increases in the number of children with autism. In 2004, a report by the Institute of Medicine (IOM) concluded that there is no link between autism and MMR vaccine, and that there is no link between autism and vaccines that contain thimerosal as a preservative.




But then the FDA site says

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Over the past several years, because of an increasing awareness of the theoretical potential for neurotoxicity of even low levels of organomercurials and because of the increased number of thimerosal containing vaccines that had been added to the infant immunization schedule, concerns about the use of thimerosal in vaccines and other products have been raised. Indeed, because of these concerns, the Food and Drug Administration has worked with, and continues to work with, vaccine manufacturers to reduce or eliminate thimerosal from vaccines.






Not only is thimerosal a risk, but allergic reaction is a potential risk.  So, you're telling me that if in my mind, the risks are too much to deal with the potential benefits of giving my child this that I should do it anyway?

My son isn't going to be around anyone's blood unsupervised, so I don't really have to worry about him getting HepB.  He does not/will not go to day care, so he won't be around other children who are potentially sick and give him their diseases.  He will not be going to public school either.  If he is ever around another child [until he is much older and has a developed immune system] I will be there. I will not be bringing him around sick people. That's a stupid thing to do with a child in the first place.

Many of these diseases that we thought we needed vaccinations for can be cured.  Yes, they would be very dangerous for a small child.  That is why as a small child he isn't allowed to be around just anyone.

He gets antibodies from his diet.  Which is breast milk.  He will continue to get these antibodies until he is weened off of breast milk.  Which, as some doctors recommend, is at one year old.  That 6 month crap is bullshit and only applies if you choose to ween your child early.  After that, he will have a healthy diet.  Unlike most other children his age.

What you eat has a huge affect on your immune system, as well as how active you are.  And we won't have to worry about him being a lazy couch potato sitting in front of a television either, because we don't have one.

Amish people are just fucking fine, they LIVE all the time.  Their children are just fine. And they do not give them vaccinations.

Just because you have been scared into "either do this or die" don't try and push that attitude on me.

I asked for sources.  So, unless you have some... all I'm reading is your brainwashed opinion and that's not really a credible enough source to change my mind.


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Re: Vaccinations [Re: frith]
    #12605672 - 05/21/10 06:07 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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You might want to go read a book...as I said the best advice I can give is understand the science you are dismissing,and I am pretty sure you don't.





Quote:

13.step said:
but please read a lot more on it...realize that there are people out there that are smarter then you and me and more qualified to take this decisions and take their opinions into consideration...





Are these people who are smarter and more qualified the same people that said baby tylenol was safe? Because that has now been recalled..

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i do/have read about it. actually, ive read both sides of the argument which, i believe, is more than most people debating this topic.





Then please, cite your sources.. enlighten us all.

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but the life expectancy today is longer than it was 150 years ago..




That is complete bullshit. My grandpa just turned 90 this year. People of generations after his are fortunate if they make it to 50.

Sources? I'd love to see them.


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Re: Vaccinations [Re: maerigan]
    #12605681 - 05/21/10 06:09 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

if you already made up your mind then why even bother?

really no point to the conversation..


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    #12605711 - 05/21/10 06:14 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

damn fuckwit hippies trolling the boards again :crankey:

if one of you has actually had one of these preventable illnesses you would know why you should vaccinate your fucking children, i got the mumps last year because i wasn't full vaccinated and it nearly landed me in hospital

kids were fine 100 years ago because the ones that survived were fine, the ones who got any of the above mentioned illnesses either got really sick or died,

vaccinate your children and stop wearing tinfoil hats!


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    #12605739 - 05/21/10 06:18 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

i respectfully disagree


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