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Sometimes I hate our species.
    #12573231 - 05/16/10 01:45 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I really am ashamed to call myself a human sometimes.  Sometimes this planet seems like a trashed prison and I hate that we've made it that way.


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Re: Sometimes I hate our species. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #12573331 - 05/16/10 02:01 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I think we used to believe that the world was so big that we weren't going to change it negatively... but you see there are things being done to help our planet recuperate, so what's your problem? :tongue:


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Re: Sometimes I hate our species. [Re: CrW]
    #12573369 - 05/16/10 02:07 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Sometimes I hate our species. [Re: CrW]
    #12573452 - 05/16/10 02:19 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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I think we used to believe that the world was so big that we weren't going to change it negatively... but you see there are things being done to help our planet recuperate, so what's your problem? :tongue:





Oh yeah?  Like what?  Talk is cheap.  Everyone I know is living their lives per normal, aka uncaring if they trash the planet.


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Re: Sometimes I hate our species. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #12573792 - 05/16/10 03:17 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Sometimes I hate our species. [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #12574550 - 05/16/10 05:38 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I've been taking a lot of environmental science classes and am going to major in either env. science or geology. There is some depressing information within the courses, I mean the list of damage we are doing to this place goes on and on. But, I can't let that get me down if I'm going to create any solutions to our current problems. It's all relative, the damage we are doing will come back on us. But maybe that's the way it's supposed to be, it doesn't mean you have to look at the downside. It also doesn't mean yo should forget the realization you have had. Maybe try to take steps to reduce your consumption or give back to the planet. You can't change the world, but you can change how you interact with it. There is always positive even though it may not appear that way to you. I'm stubborn as hell when things don't look my way, but every hard lesson I've learned has had something positive gained from it. Nothing is permanent except change (including this planet of humans), so enjoy what you can!


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Re: Sometimes I hate our species. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #12575504 - 05/16/10 08:38 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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I really am ashamed to call myself a human sometimes.  Sometimes this planet seems like a trashed prison and I hate that we've made it that way.




I know how you feel but I have had to face the fact that we are part of nature and this is how nature works. Things come together and things fall apart. We are in the falling apart stage I guess.:shrug:


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Re: Sometimes I hate our species. [Re: Icelander]
    #12575510 - 05/16/10 08:40 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Bunnies are cuter than insects.

A tree is more natural than garbage.


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Re: Sometimes I hate our species. [Re: Icelander]
    #12576316 - 05/16/10 11:05 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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I really am ashamed to call myself a human sometimes.  Sometimes this planet seems like a trashed prison and I hate that we've made it that way.




I know how you feel but I have had to face the fact that we are part of nature and this is how nature works. Things come together and things fall apart. We are in the falling apart stage I guess.:shrug:





I know what you mean, it makes sense to believe that we are all part of nature and that even mankinds destructive acts are in a way related to nature as a whole. 

It's just that I am having a very hard time coping with the apparent truth of being nothing more then a destructive parasite. I am so disgusted and sickened by the oil situation in the Gulf coast I can't even begin to express the depth of my disgust.  I knew things were going to get worse and worse on this planet but it's happening pretty quick now and I just never anticipated the rise of such enraged emotions inside of me and I never expected my loathing for the human species to reach a new low, but it has. 

I now truly believe we are doomed and I almost can't wait until we're all dead because we deserve to reap what we have sowed. 

Don't misunderstand me though, I don't want to have this attitude, it sucks, it's making me feel like everything is futile now.  We must be in the end of days or some shit.


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Re: Sometimes I hate our species. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #12576505 - 05/16/10 11:39 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Is there a silver lining with all of this?


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Re: Sometimes I hate our species. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #12576573 - 05/16/10 11:50 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I used to feel this way a lot, and it'll still happen if I really think about this stuff. But I've come to see our interaction with the planet as the course of nature. The way we currently interact with the planet won't stop until our resource base can no longer sustain it, but that point will slowly be reached over the next few centuries. In the meantime there's nothing you or I can do to stop it, so try to let it go and enjoy life. There's still plenty of unspoiled places where you can feel like you're a million miles from all the shit.

We're just a blip on the radar as far as the Earth's history is concerned, and I suspect that our impact will be about the same. It doesn't seem unreasonable to me that humans could be here for millions of years, but certainly not in the consumption-oriented way we do now. We're always moving towards an equilibrium with our environment, it's just that right now we still have a ways to go away from equilibrium before we start approaching it again. Huge extinctions have happened before; nature seems more resilient than we give it credit for, especially over a long time horizon.

Still this is little solace in light of our plundering of the beautiful interaction of life processes which have developed over millions of years, essentially only for short term gain. But short term gain is what drives most organism's behavior: it's just the course of nature. Eventually evolution creates very well adapted species: guess what, it's us right now. We're very good at short term gain.

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Re: Sometimes I hate our species. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #12576579 - 05/16/10 11:52 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Nature always balances itself out.

You may think that humans are destructive, but that's only your perspective as a human.

The universe is manifesting itself through you and each and every one of us; something bad can exist only in contrast to something that is good.

The Kiwi Bird in New Zealand "devolved" and lost its wings because it no longer had any natural predators.

Like the Kiwi Bird no longer needing to fly, perhaps something might arise out of the need for a better environment.


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Re: Sometimes I hate our species. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #12578303 - 05/17/10 10:53 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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I really am ashamed to call myself a human sometimes.  Sometimes this planet seems like a trashed prison and I hate that we've made it that way.




I know how you feel but I have had to face the fact that we are part of nature and this is how nature works. Things come together and things fall apart. We are in the falling apart stage I guess.:shrug:





I know what you mean, it makes sense to believe that we are all part of nature and that even mankinds destructive acts are in a way related to nature as a whole. 

It's just that I am having a very hard time coping with the apparent truth of being nothing more then a destructive parasite. I am so disgusted and sickened by the oil situation in the Gulf coast I can't even begin to express the depth of my disgust.  I knew things were going to get worse and worse on this planet but it's happening pretty quick now and I just never anticipated the rise of such enraged emotions inside of me and I never expected my loathing for the human species to reach a new low, but it has. 

I now truly believe we are doomed and I almost can't wait until we're all dead because we deserve to reap what we have sowed. 

Don't misunderstand me though, I don't want to have this attitude, it sucks, it's making me feel like everything is futile now.  We must be in the end of days or some shit.





I love a good honest, from the gut, post.:thumbup:

You already know I agree so let just look at that last sentence. You don't want to feel this way but  you do. OK then what's to be done? Maybe on some level you are going to feel this way no matter what, (I do),

but does it need to take up all your time and thought? Now that's a question that needs answering imo. Now I've been and am down this road so let me just share this. I discovered that all my suffering over this comes from my sense of self importance. I think my view of right and wrong is the correct view to take. I neurotically demand that the world conform to my ideals. But the truth is I don't even conform to those ideals. And the truth is that I'm full of myself when I also realize I'm relatively unimportant and my thoughts are relatively unimportant. You get the picture here?

This is a path one can walk to deal with this shit. It's not a clear path, it's not a perfect path, there is no perfection at the end of this path. In fact it can even make things feel unbearable for a long time and suicide is a risk. But, and if you get past the hump a little bit you can begin to let it go. You may not prefer that life has turned out to be this way but you begin to realize that it's really none of your business and at the end is most likely nothingness. Good luck on your journey. You're not the only one.:satansmoking::monkeydance:

Oh and I forgot to mention that having a hobby and not justifying it to yourself or the world is a great distraction from the absolute insanity going on around you.:grin: It uses up the time until the end. I'm going fishing with my dog, myself.:thumbup:


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Re: Sometimes I hate our species. [Re: Anonymous #1] * 3
    #12602617 - 05/21/10 06:29 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

It helps me to see humans as animals. You can't blame a stray dog for humping people's legs or peeing on things you don't want it to pee on. Humans are the same. We're subject to some really powerful urges that make us wreck things and make messes we can't clean up. For some reason we hold humans to some imaginary higher standard, as if humans becoming sensible after all these centuries is actually a reasonable expectation.

My perspective switched when I stopped blaming people for being human. I was spending a lot of energy wishing they were different than they actually are. So I swore off fantasizing about people behaving in ways that made me feel more comfortable, or in ways that fit my view of how things should be. It's a useless habit that just creates bad moods and makes you see only the bad stuff.

I'm gradually learning not to entertain any trains of thought that center around blame or wishing. Those are real bad habits, blame and wishing, and if you can see them as the problem, rather than the way humans behave, then you'll find the world getting much better before your eyes. If you think of it that way, your problem suddenly becomes something you can control. This is the only way to deal with it IMHO.

Now I see the good sides of humanity as really beautiful and encouraging, and I see the bad sides with an existential indifference... the same way I feel when I see bird shit all over a nice piece of public art. Too bad they shit all over it, but that's just what they do. They can't help it, they're animals. That's the key to dealing with humans' antics. If you can learn to see humans like that, as animals that have little real control over themselves for the most part, you won't spend so much time thinking of how you'd like them to behave. At the end of the day that's the only problem you have: what your thoughts tend to focus on. There is so much good stuff out there, and you miss all of it every moment you spend with resentment on your mind.

Whether humanity is gradually improving or going straight to hell is not really up to you. So you might as well concern yourself with your own quality of mind by deciding you won't indulge in wishing or blaming, because if anything that's just contributing to humanity's woes. The best thing you can do for the world and for yourself is to forgive humanity for being what it is. That includes yourself. Sounds counter-intuitive, but obviously the "shame and resentment" approach isn't doing much for your quality of life, and it certainly doesn't make the world a better place.

This is a major shift in thinking for most people. But it sure beats that defeated feeling of just hating the species altogether. It's hard to let things just be what they are when you want them to be something else, but it's a powerful way to deal with it and it really changes what you see in the world.


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Re: Sometimes I hate our species. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #12602652 - 05/21/10 06:50 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Put things in perspective.

When you consider our war-mongering, blood-thirsty past, it's not that surprising the world is in the state that it's in. Things are just more subtle now.

But there is hope for us... we all have the potential to be more than our animalistic urges.

If you don't like the way things are, then be a better person. Every individual change makes a difference.

Gradually, collectively we are evolving. More people are waking up every day.

...At least, that's what I think.


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Re: Sometimes I hate our species. [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #12602872 - 05/21/10 08:28 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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It helps me to see humans as animals. You can't blame a stray dog for humping people's legs or peeing on things you don't want it to pee on. Humans are the same. We're subject to some really powerful urges that make us wreck things and make messes we can't clean up. For some reason we hold humans to some imaginary higher standard, as if humans becoming sensible after all these centuries is actually a reasonable expectation.

My perspective switched when I stopped blaming people for being human. I was spending a lot of energy wishing they were different than they actually are. So I swore off fantasizing about people behaving in ways that made me feel more comfortable, or in ways that fit my view of how things should be. It's a useless habit that just creates bad moods and makes you see only the bad stuff.

I'm gradually learning not to entertain any trains of thought that center around blame or wishing. Those are real bad habits, blame and wishing, and if you can see them as the problem, rather than the way humans behave, then you'll find the world getting much better before your eyes. If you think of it that way, your problem suddenly becomes something you can control. This is the only way to deal with it IMHO.

Now I see the good sides of humanity as really beautiful and encouraging, and I see the bad sides with an existential indifference... the same way I feel when I see bird shit all over a nice piece of public art. Too bad they shit all over it, but that's just what they do. They can't help it, they're animals. That's the key to dealing with humans' antics. If you can learn to see humans like that, as animals that have little real control over themselves for the most part, you won't spend so much time thinking of how you'd like them to behave. At the end of the day that's the only problem you have: what your thoughts tend to focus on. There is so much good stuff out there, and you miss all of it every moment you spend with resentment on your mind.

Whether humanity is gradually improving or going straight to hell is not really up to you. So you might as well concern yourself with your own quality of mind by deciding you won't indulge in wishing or blaming, because if anything that's just contributing to humanity's woes. The best thing you can do for the world and for yourself is to forgive humanity for being what it is. That includes yourself. Sounds counter-intuitive, but obviously the "shame and resentment" approach isn't doing much for your quality of life, and it certainly doesn't make the world a better place.

This is a major shift in thinking for most people. But it sure beats that defeated feeling of just hating the species altogether. It's hard to let things just be what they are when you want them to be something else, but it's a powerful way to deal with it and it really changes what you see in the world.





Terrific post :thumbup:


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