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fig
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cake on manure tek (from cake to bulk in one jar)
#12601604 - 05/20/10 11:12 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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ok its not much of a tek but i thought i would share anyway.
there are 2 major reasons for doing this one is you dont need a pressure cooker. the other is that you can go from spores to manure in one jar...as spores wont germinate on manure very well or if at all.
you need: quart jars brf & verm horse or cow manure poly-fill aluminum foil a pot
step 1 make your lids as usual for gas exchange (use what ever method u want)
step 2 prepare brf & verm per the pf tek (how much depends on how many jars your doing)
step 3 prepare your manure i make mine with 20% verm and then adjust the ph (OPTIONAL) to 7 ish with what ever method you would like. then bring it to field compassity
step 4 fill the jar 3/4 with your prepared manure then put a layer of brf and verm on top. (anywhere from 1/8th to an inch works fine)
step 5 put the lids on cover with foil and boil for 90 min same as u would do when boiling brf jars ......
step 6 when fully colonized spawn to bulk or do some g2g with pasteurized manure
did i mention no pressure cooker required this is what it should look like
Edited by fig (05/20/10 11:23 PM)
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Re: cake on manure tek (from cake to bulk in one jar) [Re: fig]
#12601616 - 05/20/10 11:14 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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fig said: ok its not much of a tek but i thought i would share anyway.
there are 2 major reasons for doing this one is you dont need a pressure cooker. the other is that you can go from spores to manure in one jar...as spores wont germinate on manure very well or if at all.
you need: quart jars brf & verm horse or cow manure poly-fill aluminum foil a pot
step 1 make your lids as usual for gas exchange (use what ever method u want)
step 2 prepare brf & verm per the pf tek (how much depends on how many jars your doing)
step 3 prepare your manure i make mine with 20% verm and then adjust the ph to 7 ish with what ever method you would like. then bring it to field compassity
step 4 fill the jar 3/4 with your prepared manure then put a layer of brf and verm on top. (anywhere from 1/8th to an inch works fine)
step 5 put the lids on cover with foil and boil for 90 min same as u would do when boiling brf jars ......
step 6 when fully colonized spawn to bulk or do some g2g with pasteurized manure
did i mention no pressure cooker required this is what it should look like

Inoculating straight rye or WBS would be alot easier.
Also why bother with adjusting the PH my likes a lower PH
Also you don't G2G with pasteurized manure
Straight colonized grains spawned to bulk
Edited by Shea25 (05/20/10 11:17 PM)
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Re: cake on manure tek (from cake to bulk in one jar) [Re: Shea25]
#12601648 - 05/20/10 11:21 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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well if you read at the top and bottom it says you can do this with out a pressure cooker. i have several you probaly have several but some people dont have one so they cant do grains. and i have done g2g transfer (i realize manure is not a grain)in open air with pasturized manure tons of times and it works just fine ....and the ph adjustment is optional i will edit it.
Edited by fig (05/20/10 11:22 PM)
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Re: cake on manure tek (from cake to bulk in one jar) [Re: fig]
#12601657 - 05/20/10 11:23 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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you dont need a pressure cooker for any method.just reduces risk of contamination.better safe then sorry i say. bet if you dont have a pressure cooker . get a pot cover the bottom with your jar covers lay tinfoil on them in ONE BIG PEICE NOT SMALL PEICE FOR EACH LID on top layer it again with lids fill it with water till it reaches the top of the first layer of lids.DO NOT LET ALL THE WATER BOIL OUT AND ONLY BOIL ON LOW HEAT .
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Re: cake on manure tek (from cake to bulk in one jar) [Re: mt.eden]
#12601667 - 05/20/10 11:24 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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you dont need a pressure cooker for any method.just reduces risk of contamination.better safe then sorry i say. bet if you dont have a pressure cooker . get a pot cover the bottom with your jar covers lay tinfoil on them in ONE BIG PEICE NOT SMALL PEICE FOR EACH LID on top layer it again with lids fill it with water till it reaches the top of the first layer of lids.DO NOT LET ALL THE WATER BOIL OUT AND ONLY BOIL ON LOW HEAT
you dont get it
Edited by Shea25 (05/20/10 11:25 PM)
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Re: cake on manure tek (from cake to bulk in one jar) [Re: mt.eden]
#12601672 - 05/20/10 11:25 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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no buddy that had been done time and time again and with grain if u dont pressure cook you fail ...green mold will eat u alive if the bacteria dont get you first.
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Re: cake on manure tek (from cake to bulk in one jar) [Re: Shea25]
#12601675 - 05/20/10 11:26 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shea25 said:
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you dont need a pressure cooker for any method.just reduces risk of contamination.better safe then sorry i say. bet if you dont have a pressure cooker . get a pot cover the bottom with your jar covers lay tinfoil on them in ONE BIG PEICE NOT SMALL PEICE FOR EACH LID on top layer it again with lids fill it with water till it reaches the top of the first layer of lids.DO NOT LET ALL THE WATER BOIL OUT AND ONLY BOIL ON LOW HEAT
you dont get it 
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Re: cake on manure tek (from cake to bulk in one jar) [Re: fig]
#12601686 - 05/20/10 11:29 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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fig said:
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Shea25 said:
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you dont need a pressure cooker for any method.just reduces risk of contamination.better safe then sorry i say. bet if you dont have a pressure cooker . get a pot cover the bottom with your jar covers lay tinfoil on them in ONE BIG PEICE NOT SMALL PEICE FOR EACH LID on top layer it again with lids fill it with water till it reaches the top of the first layer of lids.DO NOT LET ALL THE WATER BOIL OUT AND ONLY BOIL ON LOW HEAT
you dont get it 
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Re: cake on manure tek (from cake to bulk in one jar) [Re: fig]
#12601688 - 05/20/10 11:30 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: cake on manure tek (from cake to bulk in one jar) [Re: fig]
#12601706 - 05/20/10 11:33 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Its not my method its pf tek ! and i know people who grow shrooms without any sort of pc or sterile method. I can give you liknks to youtube videos of people that say the same.they believe the mushrooms fruits better when agitated when colonizing
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Re: cake on manure tek (from cake to bulk in one jar) [Re: mt.eden]
#12601712 - 05/20/10 11:35 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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mt.eden said: Its not my method its pf tek ! and i know people who grow shrooms without any sort of pc or sterile method. I can give you liknks to youtube videos of people that say the same.they believe the mushrooms fruits better when agitated when colonizing

Agitate only twice Once at 30% and another before spawning
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Re: cake on manure tek (from cake to bulk in one jar) [Re: mt.eden]
#12601722 - 05/20/10 11:37 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pf tek works with out a pc... you need a pc to do grain because it is not as easily penetrated by the heat, the pressure is what makes it possible.
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Re: cake on manure tek (from cake to bulk in one jar) [Re: conoshoto]
#12601730 - 05/20/10 11:39 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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mt.eden said: you dont need a pressure cooker for any method.just reduces risk of contamination.better safe then sorry i say. bet if you dont have a pressure cooker . get a pot cover the bottom with your jar covers lay tinfoil on them in ONE BIG PEICE NOT SMALL PEICE FOR EACH LID on top layer it again with lids fill it with water till it reaches the top of the first layer of lids.DO NOT LET ALL THE WATER BOIL OUT AND ONLY BOIL ON LOW HEAT .
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mt.eden said: Its not my method its pf tek ! and i know people who grow shrooms without any sort of pc or sterile method. I can give you liknks to youtube videos of people that say the same.they believe the mushrooms fruits better when agitated when colonizing
get your shit together. first you said you dont need a pc for ANY method. then you say its for the pf tek, which is only 1 method....
grains connot be used w/o a pc.Quote:
conoshoto said: Pf tek works with out a pc... you need a pc to do grain because it is not as easily penetrated by the heat, the pressure is what makes it possible.
no, you pc grains b/c they need a higher temp to kill off the bad stuff then using the steaming method.
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Re: cake on manure tek (from cake to bulk in one jar) [Re: mt.eden]
#12601731 - 05/20/10 11:39 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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mt.eden said: Its not my method its pf tek ! and i know people who grow shrooms without any sort of pc or sterile method. I can give you liknks to youtube videos of people that say the same.they believe the mushrooms fruits better when agitated when colonizing
never post while high man....your gonna laugh at this tomorrow and yes shaking once is fine but so is not shaking at all. as for no sterile method
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Re: cake on manure tek (from cake to bulk in one jar) [Re: TacoHerder]
#12601746 - 05/20/10 11:41 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Coulda sworn I read that the pressure helps penetrate the small "passageways" in the grain. Maybe I was wrong.
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Re: cake on manure tek (from cake to bulk in one jar) [Re: conoshoto]
#12601765 - 05/20/10 11:45 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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its ok man your still in training take a look at the rr videos in my sig thats pretty much a solid guideline to go by.
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Re: cake on manure tek (from cake to bulk in one jar) [Re: fig]
#12601776 - 05/20/10 11:47 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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that is not what i meant they use unsterilized methods to an alternative to that.personally i pc. but i rather see some sterilize it slightly then not at all. i think you can all agree everyone has there methods.
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Re: cake on manure tek (from cake to bulk in one jar) [Re: fig]
#12601780 - 05/20/10 11:48 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, I got the teks under control... I've got a nice set of trays in the green house and a lot more about ready to fruit. guess I was just confused about the pressure/grain effect.
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Re: cake on manure tek (from cake to bulk in one jar) [Re: conoshoto]
#12601797 - 05/20/10 11:52 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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lol i was having fun watching though.
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Re: cake on manure tek (from cake to bulk in one jar) [Re: fig]
#12602499 - 05/21/10 05:27 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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anyone else have any feedback?
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Re: cake on manure tek (from cake to bulk in one jar) [Re: mt.eden]
#12602628 - 05/21/10 06:35 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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mt.eden said: Its not my method its pf tek ! and i know people who grow shrooms without any sort of pc or sterile method. I can give you liknks to youtube videos of people that say the same.they believe the mushrooms fruits better when agitated when colonizing
Please provide the links to videos.
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Re: cake on manure tek (from cake to bulk in one jar) [Re: Shea25]
#12602756 - 05/21/10 07:43 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shea25 said:
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mt.eden said: Its not my method its pf tek ! and i know people who grow shrooms without any sort of pc or sterile method. I can give you liknks to youtube videos of people that say the same.they believe the mushrooms fruits better when agitated when colonizing

Agitate only twice Once at 30% and another before spawning
man agitating is sweet. I did it 2 days ago and its prpobably going to be fully colonized in another day or 2.
oh I dont have a PC either. I used fractional sterilization. I recomend trying it if you dont have a PC. What it does is let the endospores germinate so that you can kill the spawn. and you just let them germinate three times. its a beautiful thing!
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Re: cake on manure tek (from cake to bulk in one jar) [Re: iamu]
#12602792 - 05/21/10 08:00 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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yea i tried that method before with mixed results. but with this method u get the same results consistently. just search around fractional sterilization gets mixed results at best.
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Re: cake on manure tek (from cake to bulk in one jar) [Re: fig]
#12602895 - 05/21/10 08:36 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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thats cool, Id try it out if I had some BRF left.
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Re: cake on manure tek (from cake to bulk in one jar) [Re: iamu]
#12606578 - 05/21/10 09:17 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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it works well when starting from spores ...but i use agar now lol
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Re: cake on manure tek (from cake to bulk in one jar) [Re: fig]
#12606611 - 05/21/10 09:23 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fractional sterilizing with brf? All you need is a pot and some water
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fig
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Re: cake on manure tek (from cake to bulk in one jar) [Re: Breakfast Crew]
#12606649 - 05/21/10 09:30 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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some of these guys have to try and fail a few times before they will listen to reason.
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Re: cake on manure tek (from cake to bulk in one jar) [Re: Breakfast Crew]
#12606665 - 05/21/10 09:32 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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nah. WBS
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Re: cake on manure tek (from cake to bulk in one jar) [Re: iamu]
#12606691 - 05/21/10 09:37 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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well yes wbs is great ....if u have a pressure cooker
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Re: cake on manure tek (from cake to bulk in one jar) [Re: fig]
#12606699 - 05/21/10 09:39 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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You can just crumble colonized PF cakes and spawn them, works quite well
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