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Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life * 1
    #12597921 - 05/20/10 02:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Craig Venter and his team have built the genome of a bacterium from scratch and incorporated it into a cell to make what they call the world's first synthetic life form
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/may/20/craig-venter-synthetic-life-form



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Scientists have created the world's first synthetic life form in a landmark experiment that paves the way for designer organisms that are built rather than evolved.  The controversial feat, which has occupied 20 scientists for more than 10 years at an estimated cost of $40m, was described by one researcher as "a defining moment in biology".

Craig Venter, the pioneering US geneticist behind the experiment, said the achievement heralds the dawn of a new era in which new life is made to benefit humanity, starting with bacteria that churn out biofuels, soak up carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and even manufacture vaccines.  However critics, including some religious groups, condemned the work, with one organisation warning that artificial organisms could escape into the wild and cause environmental havoc or be turned into biological weapons. Others said Venter was playing God.

The new organism is based on an existing bacterium that causes mastitis in goats, but at its core is an entirely synthetic genome that was constructed from chemicals in the laboratory.

The single-celled organism has four "watermarks" written into its DNA to identify it as synthetic and help trace its descendants back to their creator, should they go astray.  "We were ecstatic when the cells booted up with all the watermarks in place," Dr Venter told the Guardian.

"It's a living species now, part of our planet's inventory of life."

Dr Venter's team developed a new code based on the four letters of the genetic code, G, T, C and A, that allowed them to draw on the whole alphabet, numbers and punctuation marks to write the watermarks.

Anyone who cracks the code is invited to email an address written into the DNA.  The research is reported online today in the journal Science. 

"This is an important step both scientifically and philosophically," Dr Venter told the journal.

"It has certainly changed my views of definitions of life and how life works."  The team now plans to use the synthetic organism to work out the minimum number of genes needed for life to exist. From this, new microorganisms could be made by bolting on additional genes to produce useful chemicals, break down pollutants, or produce proteins for use in vaccines. 

Julian Savulescu, professor of practical ethics at Oxford University, said: "Venter is creaking open the most profound door in humanity's history, potentially peeking into its destiny.

He is not merely copying life artificially ... or modifying it radically by genetic engineering. He is going towards the role of a god: creating artificial life that could never have existed naturally."  This is "a defining moment in the history of biology and biotechnology", Mark Bedau, a philosopher at Reed College in Portland, Oregon, told Science. 

Dr Venter became a controversial figure in the 1990s when he pitted his former company, Celera Genomics, against the publicly funded effort to sequence the human genome, the Human Genome Project. Venter had already applied for patents on more than 300 genes, raising concerns that the company might claim intellectual rights to the building blocks of life.




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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: wowcoolman]
    #12597939 - 05/20/10 02:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Wow!


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: wowcoolman] * 1
    #12597946 - 05/20/10 02:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

this is so the start of the diseases that will wipe out or realy fuck up our time.


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: UtOpiaN-MiNdStAtEs] * 1
    #12597952 - 05/20/10 02:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

says you


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: wowcoolman]
    #12597968 - 05/20/10 02:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

A artificial life form with an email address written into it's DNA?

Jesus facepalming Christ.


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: Olskool420]
    #12597984 - 05/20/10 02:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That's pretty damn cool!


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: Glenners]
    #12598016 - 05/20/10 03:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

this is the most amazing thing i have ever read! cant imagine what this means for future tech advances! :cool:


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: Olskool420]
    #12598061 - 05/20/10 03:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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A artificial life form with an email address written into it's DNA?

Jesus facepalming Christ.




Whats wrong with that man.


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: niteowl]
    #12598078 - 05/20/10 03:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

woah


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: wowcoolman] * 3
    #12598118 - 05/20/10 03:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

They used a living cell to make it though...it's not like creating life from scratch. That's still amazing, but I'll be more amazed when they make an environment of amino acids that spontaneously starts to self replicate.


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: g00ru]
    #12598155 - 05/20/10 03:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Holy shit! This could either be the end of the world or the spark to a much, much, much greater world. HOLY SHIT!

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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: wowcoolman]
    #12598202 - 05/20/10 03:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:tinfoil: I hope gonz doesnt read this :drgonz:


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #12598231 - 05/20/10 03:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I think this is great news. a step in the direction of shutting creationist mouths.


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: 2Cents]
    #12598280 - 05/20/10 03:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

This is fucking amazing. Future for the win


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: 2Cents]
    #12598286 - 05/20/10 03:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

What do you mean? This is PROOF that intelligent design is possible.
By that I mean that scientists can do it. The biblical god with an attention span  of a four year old and a temper to match it couldn't even string together a bow and arrow without raining down plagues on five Egyptian villages from frustration.


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: wowcoolman]
    #12598317 - 05/20/10 03:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: koppie]
    #12598322 - 05/20/10 03:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

we...are....GOD


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: BothHands] * 2
    #12598330 - 05/20/10 03:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Jesus Christ...

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    #12598334 - 05/20/10 03:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Lolwtf.


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: plasma]
    #12598341 - 05/20/10 03:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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This is fucking amazing. Future for the win




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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: wowcoolman]
    #12598395 - 05/20/10 04:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

best article i've read in a loooong time.
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    #12598443 - 05/20/10 04:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

come on 2012 you bitch, i see you
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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: laserpig]
    #12598544 - 05/20/10 04:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i'm not surprised by this at all. it is good news though. good news



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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: laserpig]
    #12598551 - 05/20/10 04:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

motherfucker havent u ever heard of the Genome soldiers?Obviously u arent familiar with Metal gear Solid. This had been done way better way before.


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: niteowl]
    #12599829 - 05/20/10 08:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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A artificial life form with an email address written into it's DNA?

Jesus facepalming Christ.




Whats wrong with that man.




We're always bitching about how we're affecting the environment and destroying the planet by our senseless logging/drilling/mining, and now we're going to move to creating life forms to place here?

All I sense is bad, bad vibes.


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: Olskool420]
    #12599868 - 05/20/10 08:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Playin' with fire.  :onfire:


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: DR. PRIME]
    #12599905 - 05/20/10 08:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Time for the zombie apocalypse.

All kidding aside, the future shall be amazing. Endless possibilities.


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: Olskool420] * 2
    #12599929 - 05/20/10 08:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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niteowl said:
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Olskool420 said:
A artificial life form with an email address written into it's DNA?

Jesus facepalming Christ.




Whats wrong with that man.




We're always bitching about how we're affecting the environment and destroying the planet by our senseless logging/drilling/mining, and now we're going to move to creating life forms to place here?

All I sense is bad, bad vibes.




Did you watch the video? The life forms we are creating are very very very simple life forms which have coding in the DNA which allows us to know whether or not it was synthesized. Part of the reasoning for creating this synthetic life is so we won't have to log/mine/drill. He also explains how they are working on ways to control the new bacteria when it gets out of a controlled setting. Like setting its DNA up to only be able to withstand certain conditions. It is not as bad as you think.


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: kissablemilklight]
    #12599945 - 05/20/10 08:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Soon we will find messages from God encrypted in our own DNA.

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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: deCypher]
    #12600094 - 05/20/10 08:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

this is scary as fuck. that means us humans can create a human that can control our minds, wish objects into existence and that can control space, time n all of humanity. thats fucking scary.. :tinfoil:


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: tripp23]
    #12600105 - 05/20/10 08:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The fact that they are creating bacteria makes me think the gub'ment is gonna use this to make synthetic viruses that only they have the cure for.


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: tripp23]
    #12600110 - 05/20/10 08:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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this is scary as fuck. that means us humans can create a human that can control our minds, wish objects into existence and that can control space, time n all of humanity. thats fucking scary.. :tinfoil:




No, it doesn't. Maybe, in like, 100-200 years, but I don't see humans allowing other humans to do that. If someone happened to create something like that, I'm sure we would just get together and kill it.


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    #12600116 - 05/20/10 08:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The fact that they are creating bacteria makes me think the gub'ment is gonna use this to make synthetic viruses that only they have the cure for.




ah yea. n that they can create biological warfare.. that can end us or or us it as a weapon and put us in unbelievable pain for months on end to distract us in war. fuckin scary man.. :tinfoil:


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    #12600227 - 05/20/10 09:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The fact that they are creating bacteria makes me think the gub'ment is gonna use this to make synthetic viruses that only they have the cure for.




ah yea. n that they can create biological warfare.. that can end us or or us it as a weapon and put us in unbelievable pain for months on end to distract us in war. fuckin scary man.. :tinfoil:




Why do you think the government is so in control of everything? It isn't like this is remarkably easy to do. It has taken 10 years to figure out 1 tiny cell. You guys are trippin


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    #12600242 - 05/20/10 09:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It's not that they are in control, it's that they have all the money they want to give to the person who is...


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #12600300 - 05/20/10 09:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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It's not that they are in control, it's that they have all the money they want to give to the person who is...




Well, whoever is in control of synthesized life is probably going to be smarter than to secede to the governments will and go and create biological warfare. At least thats what methinks


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: wowcoolman]
    #12600398 - 05/20/10 09:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I hate to shit on the party but I'm pretty sure some scientists did this about 2-3 years ago. They made a completely synthetic genome, removed the genome from a bacterial cell, then inserted the synthetic genome and the cells self replicated. I'll try to track down the article.


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: deCypher]
    #12600464 - 05/20/10 09:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Soon we will find messages from God encrypted in our own DNA.

"I DID IT FOR THE LULZ"




this made me lol, goodjob :]


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: bazza]
    #12600575 - 05/20/10 10:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

lol god didn't create us if anythang this proves that god didn't create us. scientists did :craven:


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: wowcoolman]
    #12600979 - 05/20/10 11:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Lets send a shit load to Mars and see what happens


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: kissablemilklight]
    #12601059 - 05/20/10 11:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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It's not that they are in control, it's that they have all the money they want to give to the person who is...




Well, whoever is in control of synthesized life is probably going to be smarter than to secede to the governments will and go and create biological warfare. At least thats what methinks



until they wave around their pocket change... 500 million is just a drop of the military's discretionary funding and that amount of cash could definitely change a few minds.


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: twighead]
    #12601130 - 05/20/10 11:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

WE'RE ALL FUCKED.


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: wowcoolman]
    #12601191 - 05/20/10 11:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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lol god didn't create us if anythang this proves that god didn't create us. scientists did :craven:




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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: elementswrath]
    #12601275 - 05/21/10 12:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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A artificial life form with an email address written into it's DNA?

Jesus facepalming Christ.




Whats wrong with that man.




We're always bitching about how we're affecting the environment and destroying the planet by our senseless logging/drilling/mining, and now we're going to move to creating life forms to place here?

All I sense is bad, bad vibes.




Did you watch the video? The life forms we are creating are very very very simple life forms which have coding in the DNA which allows us to know whether or not it was synthesized. Part of the reasoning for creating this synthetic life is so we won't have to log/mine/drill. He also explains how they are working on ways to control the new bacteria when it gets out of a controlled setting. Like setting its DNA up to only be able to withstand certain conditions. It is not as bad as you think.




Okay. Assuming this man in the video I didn't watch is completely honest, do you expect this technology to have completely peaceful purposes in the future? Do you really want to dream up what the defense budgets could do with shit like this?

Our need for electricity has caused us to not only destroy a planet but now to create life forms for the sole purpose of supplying us with it, and this is the BEST thing we could do.

How is this not fucking sick?


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: Olskool420]
    #12601293 - 05/21/10 12:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i wish they could create a bacteria that sucks in carbon monoxide and separates it.
we could possibly back fire pollution and stimulate plant growth at the same time.


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: elementswrath]
    #12601307 - 05/21/10 12:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

A seed for planets!


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    #12601318 - 05/21/10 12:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

alien scientists. from the 5th dimension :eek:


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: wowcoolman]
    #12601368 - 05/21/10 12:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hah! Very cool stuff. I think awesome we have the ability artificially sequence an entire lifeform.  Though the last paragraph concerns me. I wonder what sort of patent protections gene's are going get? The ability to patent a particular sequence or just a particular method of sequencing?

I imagine it'll be regulated somewhat similarly to software. Genetic DRM anyone? Lolz.


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: wowcoolman]
    #12601371 - 05/21/10 12:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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alien scientists. from the 5th dimension :eek:



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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: wowcoolman]
    #12601387 - 05/21/10 12:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Craig Venter, the pioneering US geneticist behind the experiment, said the achievement heralds the dawn of a new era in which new life is made to benefit humanity, starting with bacteria that churn out biofuels, soak up carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and even manufacture vaccines.


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: g00ru]
    #12601392 - 05/21/10 12:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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They used a living cell to make it though...it's not like creating life from scratch. That's still amazing, but I'll be more amazed when they make an environment of amino acids that spontaneously starts to self replicate.




They did it already... in 1952. :laugh: Well, at least to the furthest extent possible.


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: Maurer]
    #12601400 - 05/21/10 12:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

carbon dioxide is what plants use to convert to oxygen.
why the hell would we need a bacteria that does that?

if we could improve bacteria that makes bio fuels tho, that would make us less dependent than our non renewable counterpart.


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: elementswrath]
    #12601411 - 05/21/10 12:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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carbon dioxide is what plants use to convert to oxygen.
why the hell would we need a bacteria that does that?

if we could improve bacteria that makes bio fuels tho, that would make us less dependent than our non renewable counterpart.


I think point was they can create them to convert what ever gases they want :confused: Meaning they can great oxygen for humans in places it doesn't exist now. At least I hope because when the biblical Zombies happen I don't wanna be here.


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: elementswrath]
    #12601414 - 05/21/10 12:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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carbon dioxide is what plants use to convert to oxygen.
why the hell would we need a bacteria that does that?



LOL you think we're going to have plants in the future :curbyourenthusiasm:


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: Maurer]
    #12601473 - 05/21/10 12:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

that wouldn't work in outer space, many planets have unsustainable temperatures and/or unmanageable atmospheres that cannot be recreated like earths.

we would need a close range of 78.09% nitrogen,20.95% oxygen,0.93% argon,0.038% carbon dioxide, 1% water vapor, a balanced altitude and so much more.

oxygen isn't the only thing we need, duh.


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: wowcoolman]
    #12601481 - 05/21/10 12:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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carbon dioxide is what plants use to convert to oxygen.
why the hell would we need a bacteria that does that?



LOL you think we're going to have plants in the future :curbyourenthusiasm:




it's a necessity that we take for granted.


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: elementswrath]
    #12601500 - 05/21/10 12:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

when will i be able to put in my order for a fembot?


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: quinn]
    #12601523 - 05/21/10 12:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

here, this one is on special.


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: elementswrath]
    #12601741 - 05/21/10 01:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I think it's creepy.


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: elementswrath]
    #12601770 - 05/21/10 01:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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here, this one is on special.





I'd slaughter that thing if I ever saw it.:eek::sad:


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: twighead]
    #12601791 - 05/21/10 01:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)



some day...
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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: P-O]
    #12601842 - 05/21/10 02:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I think the real danger is that all life seams to randomly mutate between generations, when self replicating microorganisms do this. I can imagine it being in completely unpredictable and perhaps dangerous ways... Imagine these lifeforms adapt to feeding on a very abundant food source that makes it extremely easy to spread clear across the planet...That food source is of course, human.:shitfan:


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: echoesSG]
    #12601953 - 05/21/10 02:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

This is a great breakthrough in biology, this will have a great potential as a environment cleaner and a fuel.

As far as the doomsday crowd goes, we will all be swallowed up by the black hole the Large Hadron Collider is going to produce December 21 2012 long before a synthetic life form will take us out.

But I am concerned about the patent side of things, I was pretty upset when they started patenting genome sequences because it will prevent everyone but the patent owners from creating cures for cancers and life threatening illness, and there are a lot of people that just squat on patents in hope that someone pays them millions for it, but in reality if there is a patent on it most companies wont even look at it, because they don't want to invest R&D into something that cannot sell.

I fear the same for synthetic life forms.

I was going to try and patent the human left arm and make everyone with a left arm pay me royalties to prove a point, but the patent office just laughed.


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    #12601961 - 05/21/10 02:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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    #12602247 - 05/21/10 04:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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lol god didn't create us if anythang this proves that god didn't create us. scientists did :craven:




maybe science is god.:yesnod:


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    #12602260 - 05/21/10 04:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

EVERYTHING is God (if that's what you want to call it).


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: echoesSG]
    #12602275 - 05/21/10 05:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I think the real danger is that all life seams to randomly mutate between generations, when self replicating microorganisms do this. I can imagine it being in completely unpredictable and perhaps dangerous ways... Imagine these lifeforms adapt to feeding on a very abundant food source that makes it extremely easy to spread clear across the planet...That food source is of course, human.:shitfan:




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    #12602295 - 05/21/10 05:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

im sure they have been creating viruses to poison society for decades.  The part that saddens me the most however, is that there is a chance that there are messages inside our own DNA already, for example if we ourselves were created.

Now that we have the technology to alter DNA, and we are doing so, this effectively renders any messages we find down the road in our own DNA useless as it could have been planted.  Infact this could be used for a MAJOR shift in religion/culture if a well placed and well worded message is "found".

But ontop of that, whenever fucking with DNA, its always a bad bad thing.  We are just now starting to see some of the effects of GMO's


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    #12602344 - 05/21/10 05:35 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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We are just now starting to see some of the effects of GMO's




Oh, and these are? I would prefer to eat GM food than poison drenched non-GM food any day.

GM is our only possible way to continue our advancement without killing ourselves and the planet around us.

Popular opinion should be totally fucking ignored in the case of GM, under-educated over-opinionated chicken-shit pussies should have no opinion in these matters.

Edit: No insult intended, i just really hate these people who freak-out about GM and have absolutely no idea how it works and have no idea that genetic engineering has been a part of this planet since the dawn of life (~3.5gA). I bet you didn't know that random gene swapping has occurred between all living organisms for billions of years. Many prokaryotes (bacteria) predominantly depend on viruses to modify their genome to evolve (google: temperate phages for just one example). GM microbes are cultured to be entirely dependent on selective media, there is practically no possibility of them 'escaping' as they will simply die.


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    #12602387 - 05/21/10 05:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Uh GM could be exactly what kills us for starters.

Secondly the way we advance as a society is to realize our planet has limits, which means we need to set limits...otherwise we are no better than a common cancer/plague/virus.  That is what a smart species does.

Lastly, you do realize that those GM foods your talking about in some cases will actually result in more poisons being sprayed on them.  They are being designed to be "resistant" to pesticides/herbicides, obviously thats so that they can spray more on them.

They have also designed some plants to produce there own poisons so they don't have to spray them.

as for the side effects, im signed up to an organic newsletter/organization that informs people about anything and everything related to monsanto, GMO's, and organic topics.  I get an email from them at least once a month, so i can't remember the details, and would take me a while to tract down the newsletter (i do save them all tho).

Im pretty sure that in most cases the GMO's have been shown to have less nutrients, the promises of increased crops has pretty much failed, and in alot of cases caused monsanto to be sued over this.  GMO's are also ruining our pure/organic genetics by spreading the GMO pollens across our lands...the damage GMO's can cause will essentially never be able to be wiped out now, as the genetics will forever be altered.  There's more that im missing infact some of the most important parts, but i can't comment on those until i find the link

And interestingly, an organic farmers land was pollenated by another farmer using GMO's, and Monsanto got all pissed off and wanted money from the organic farmer and sued them.  When in reality its the organic farmer that should be sueing them.

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    #12602410 - 05/21/10 06:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You obviously have no idea how GM works. You are just buying into all the lies that you have been fed.

While i totally appreciate these corporations are being total scum-fucks, they are always gonna monopolize something.

So a so called 'smart' species is that which never tries to advance and just lives a safe mediocre existence? Thats retarded, all species are inherently designed to take advantage of any opportunity. How are we meant to discover these limits huh? We are gonna need to do some serious damage before our population dynamics takes a serious change. We are gonna fuck our planet before anything changes, but what we have before us now is the opportunity to undo and reverse ANY AND ALL damage we are currently and will be imposing in future on our planet (bar geographics to some extent). We have the opportunity to safely support our technological growth and the continuation of a healthy biosphere into the future when new technologies may enable us to colonize other planets and finally leave earth to its own devices.

But you would prefer to live like stoned-sheep and revert to the medieval and live a simple life and accept any fate that comes?

The whole point behind GM is to rid the need to for any kind of chemical mediators. "Hey, lets spend millions of dollars engineering plants so we spray more shit on them, we know how much farmers love spraying their crops" :facepalm:

They aren't 'poisons' either for fucks sake. They just splice in one of a few genes from other plant species that create totally biodegradable proteins that are selective for certain invertebrates or pathogens. The whole remaining spectrum of the genome is completely unaffected, so what you say about them being less nutritious is fucking bullshit. If it is true then it is fucking retarded, remember the whole world isnt america.

The unfounded lies you have been fed are hideously retarded and fits perfectly into my "under-educated over-opinionated chicken-shit pussies" category perfectly.


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    #12602417 - 05/21/10 06:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You obviously have no idea how GM works. You are just buying into all the lies that you have been fed.

While i totally appreciate these corporations are being total scum-fucks, they are always gonna monopolize something.

So a so called 'smart' species is that which never tries to advance and just lives a safe mediocre existence? Thats retarded, all species are inherently designed to take advantage of any opportunity. How are we meant to discover these limits huh? We are gonna need to do some serious damage before our population dynamics takes a serious change. We are gonna fuck our planet before anything changes, but what we have before us now is the opportunity to undo and reverse ANY AND ALL damage we are currently and will be imposing in future on our planet (bar geographics to some extent). We have the opportunity to safely support our technological growth and the continuation of a healthy biosphere into the future when new technologies may enable us to colonize other planets and finally leave earth to its own devices.

But you would prefer to live like stoned-sheep and revert to the medieval and live a simple life and accept any fate that comes?

The whole point behind GM is to rid the need to for any kind of chemical mediators. "Hey, lets spend millions of dollars engineering plants so we spray more shit on them, we know how much farmers love spraying their crops" :facepalm:

They aren't 'poisons' either for fucks sake. They just splice in one of a few genes from other plant species that create totally biodegradable proteins that are selective for certain invertebrates or pathogens. The whole remaining spectrum of the genome is completely unaffected, so what you say about them being less nutritious is fucking bullshit. If it is true then it is fucking retarded, remember the whole world isnt america.

The unfounded lies you have been fed are hideously retarded and fits perfectly into my "under-educated over-opinionated chicken-shit pussies" category perfectly.




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    #12602433 - 05/21/10 06:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

but where are you getting these idea's that this is all safe?

and where did i say we needed to revert to the stone age?  I said our planet has LIMITS, GMO is an attempt to overcome these limits but thats pure stupidity.  There's only so much resources, you can't make something out of NOTHING.

You can't pretend that messing with genetics will only lead to positive things that will only "enhance" our planet.

and yes they have designed plants that hold up better to pesticides/herbicides so im not sure what your facepalming about.

and if a plant creates a poison that kills or repels pests...it is none the less a poison that wouldn't have been there otherwise.

adding in a gene, means it could be taking up space that other genes would have been using.  My genetics is rusty but only a fool would think only positive things ever happen.

And yes i distictively remember reading that some tests that were done had shown that GMO's were less nutritious.  Of course im sure monsanto has 100 other tests that show otherwise.

Mother nature is smart, much smarter than we are.  Selective breeding is a much safer way of getting things done.

We havn't even scatched the surface of genetics, you can't just say its safe. And your crazy if you think all the shit there testing stays in a lab.


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    #12602471 - 05/21/10 07:11 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Its not entirely safe, there are risks but they are minimal and it is simply our only feasible option. I am totally aware of what can theoretically happen, so are the scientists - they live on this planet too.. The simple fact is that practically all GM organisms have genetic countermeasures to stop them causing any problems.

You are comparing an entirely natural protein that only affects selected organisms to that of the incredibly toxic and carcinogenic synthetic petrochemical poisons we currently use?..

Yes we can 'make something out of nothing'. We can engineer microbes to do any host of things from creating foods and fuels from waste, sunlight into fuels, carbon fixing (using microbes to turn atmospheric CO2 into organic carbons) the list simply goes on forever..

The genome isnt fixed, it is not going to 'replace a gene'. You can create homologous populations by setting alleles, but that is more applicable to your breeding programs. Most genetic engineering is simply inserting a new gene, it has no effect on the other genes around it (depending on input location).

Selective breeding is stupid, it is so economically unfeasible - you are trying to get a specific trait from selecting randomly occurring phenotypes. You can create phenotypes far more accurately and quickly with GM, plus you wont have all the fucked alleles from inbreeding.

Selective breeding is much more dangerous than GM if you ask me, google mono-cultures.

We can create these breeds animal or plant and get these specific traits if we want by making homologues, in the mean time inadvertently removing many potentially incredibly important alleles from the gene pool by making them homologous for many other genes in the collateral wake of inbreeding. Creating genetically crippled organisms.

Or..

We can create these breeds of animal or plant that have an entirely healthy genome with a full spectrum of healthy alleles with genetic engineering which can stand up to practically any evolutionary challenge set upon them.

I would pick GE/GM over any other alternative any day.


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: quinn]
    #12602480 - 05/21/10 07:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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when will i be able to put in my order for a fembot?




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    #12602649 - 05/21/10 08:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: elementswrath]
    #12603849 - 05/21/10 02:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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i wish they could create a bacteria that sucks in carbon monoxide and separates it.
we could possibly back fire pollution and stimulate plant growth at the same time.




What in the jesus are you talking about? Separate carbon monoxide? Backfire pollution? That's just gibberish.


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: Gumby]
    #12606242 - 05/21/10 10:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

yeah, it's all propaganda...global warming is nothing but just a period of the sun coming slightly closer to earth and corporate banks support the pollution theory to create a carbon tax bill set for the new world order.:tinfoil:

it's really just a natural period that happened before like the medieval solar activity maximum.

or S.A.M as i like to call these progression periods.


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: elementswrath]
    #12606290 - 05/21/10 10:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Wow the beginning of some pretty intense stuff.


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: elementswrath]
    #12606729 - 05/21/10 11:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

ummm... there is a theory it's not just global but it is universal. they think the ice on mars is melting. you should really read up on it.


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: elementswrath]
    #12606737 - 05/21/10 11:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

i fuckin love that epicures quote!!


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    #12608092 - 05/22/10 05:00 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

thanks for posting this man, this world is completely fucked now. As someone put it,(who i cannot remember who said it thoug) this world is a sinking ship, i might as well drink all the rum on board befoer it goes under.


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: LustfulLinsanity]
    #12608099 - 05/22/10 05:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

i'll be working on my music. when shit starts headin' south the music will keep on doin'


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: wowcoolman]
    #12608105 - 05/22/10 05:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

music is pleasure to the ears of a race that consumes and destroys its home/host so in a sense we are a virus


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: LustfulLinsanity]
    #12608122 - 05/22/10 05:12 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

we also invented the word virus... so yeah, figure that


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: wowcoolman]
    #12608129 - 05/22/10 05:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

we invented the word virus to describe the life cycle of said "viruses" that live vicarious their hosts.
Similar as we invented the word light, to describe anything that is illuminated by light in this supposed "dream" we are all having


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    #12608133 - 05/22/10 05:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

yeah. what words have other viruses invented


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: wowcoolman]
    #12608138 - 05/22/10 05:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

well that question is impossible to answer, because we cannot read minds or thoughts... especially those of single celled organisms.


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: LustfulLinsanity] * 1
    #12608155 - 05/22/10 05:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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thanks for posting this man, this world is completely fucked now. As someone put it,(who i cannot remember who said it thoug) this world is a sinking ship, i might as well drink all the rum on board befoer it goes under.




Ah... That was me.. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12487099#12487099

And that was implying that world is dominated by chimps who have no idea what the fuck is going on around them.

What i meant by that quote is that everyone is so obsessed with their own personal agendas and fail to realize the bigger picture - which is abhorrently clear in the GE argument.

GE is going to save the world, if we give it the chance. I do not want to start insulting people so i will simply leave you with a request..

Before you become opinionated on something as vitally important to our future as GE. Can you please, for the love of all things good in this world - do some research before you start voicing any opinions? And i mean proper research, shit - do a first-year microbiology paper at college. I highly recommend it, it will only cost a couple hundred bucks and you will come out so much more the wiser.

This matter is far too important to have people who have no idea what they are talking about fucking up this golden opportunity we have before us.

GE is a truly amazing technology with so many tremendously valuable applications, we can create any resource we could ever want - in completely environmentally friendly ways. We can decontaminate the seas, soils and atmosphere. We can harness the sun and GE microbes to make any huge array of resources, from food-products, to complex polymers and fuels.







The word virus is actually latin for poison, which is what people thought viral infections were before science btw..


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: scruffymafia]
    #12608167 - 05/22/10 05:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Well im glad i could stroke your ego as you posted one good quote in the past.
I definately agree with you that there are GREAT potential benefits in this new feat of human existance.
But your post was very condescending, and i HIGHLY doubt you have done Much more research than i have concerning this subject, and in my own PERSONAL belief that human beings are inherently eveil, something like this kind of technology will most likely lead to a negative outcome. But hey opionions and assholes.


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: LustfulLinsanity]
    #12608215 - 05/22/10 06:33 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Probably some good, some great, some bad, and some terrible will come out of this.... :shrug:


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: twighead]
    #12608238 - 05/22/10 06:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

scientist have been doing this for years , its been a top secret project for a while now. this is how they artificially developed AIDS and spread it among blacks and gays targeting them to try killing off all homos and Negros. the synthetic properties of the proteins are extracted from ALIEN DNA!



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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: mt.eden]
    #12609096 - 05/22/10 01:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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ummm... there is a theory it's not just global but it is universal. they think the ice on mars is melting. you should really read up on it.




thanks for the heads up, gonna look for it.


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: elementswrath]
    #12620979 - 05/24/10 05:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Here is a video that explains what they did in more detail

unveiling synthetic life


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: niteowl]
    #12621024 - 05/24/10 06:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It isn't true synthetic life.  They didn't make life, they copied a blueprint of life.  Akin to pistol packing a blunt, you didn't roll a blunt, but you end up with a blunt nonetheless.  They had previously failed because one nucleotide was not in place, out of some million (or multi-million, can't remember what I read).  It is groundbreaking, but it is NOT synthetic life.


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: suburbanned]
    #12621160 - 05/24/10 06:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I wonder if the guy is gonna get a nobel prize for that shit.

Its sort of reminiscent of nuclear energy. Could be used to kill or to save. I guess both of these will come into being one day.

But those guys suck! They used a preemptied mycoplasmic cell with ready-to-use ribosomes and lipid bilayer and all that essential shit. And they simply copied the sequence.

Then again this is absolutely amazing. Chemically synthesizing a string of million purines and pyrimidines that could self-replicate is dope.

But making everything from scratch is a different story. Like designing the 3D conformation of a set of proteins/ribozymes and that can maintain their own propagation. Then translate the aminoacid/ribonucleotide sequence into the chemically stable structure of DNA. Then resuspend with phosphoinositol or something and make little self-replicating bubbles.

Now that would amazing.

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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: mellowparty]
    #12621180 - 05/24/10 06:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

"Chemically synthesizing a string of million purines and pyrimidines that could self-replicate is dope"

Stringing them together is dopest part, the fact that it replicates gets back to the dopeness of life.  If you have the correct base sequence, then it will replicate.  That's life. Not synthetic life.


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    #12621225 - 05/24/10 06:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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It isn't true synthetic life.




True, they had to use existing cells to do it.

But what they have done is far form insignificant

They can program cells to do mans desire now
something that was only the dreams of sci-fi writers until now

the ramifications of this will be felt for many years to come


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Re: Scientist Creates First Synthetic Life [Re: niteowl]
    #12621232 - 05/24/10 06:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

designer babies are the new black


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    #12621243 - 05/24/10 06:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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It isn't true synthetic life.




True, they had to use existing cells to do it.

But what they have done is far form insignificant

They can program cells to do mans desire now
something that was only the dreams of sci-fi writers until now

the ramifications of this will be felt for many years to come





This is what I'm trying to get at... They CANNOT program cells to do whatever they like.  What they have proven is that if you put together a chain of working nucleotides, they will self replicate inside of a shell of a cell, with no genetic information.  I read that out of the million or so base pairs, they got ONE wrong previously, and it didn't work.  This is far from being able to get cells to do what we want.

I'm not trying to downplay the significance, what I am saying is it is not synthetic life.  They used natural chemicals, and an already known base sequence to make an identical copy of natural life, synthetically.  Synthesize DMT or extract it, you still have DMT.


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    #12621250 - 05/24/10 06:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Um....did you watch the video I posted ???


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    #12621371 - 05/24/10 07:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

No I did not, I've been reading about the topic since the news broke.  Once again.  This is a major technological achievement to be able to replicate the genome.  It is not, however, synthetic life.  This will not allow man to create a whole new organism.  We have had the technology to insert different type of DNA into bacterial DNA for awhile now.  We have recently been able to splice different genes together to make specific products.

Whatever they are saying about this being the door to opening all these new great technologies, they are right.  However, being able to code a whole new genome to form a properly working and replicating organism is still years and years away.


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