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NolaNomad
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Ready for Agar
#12597755 - 05/20/10 12:09 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, since I started growing, I've been collecting the equipment I need to do Agar work. I now have everything I need, and am going to do my first clone in the next day or two. Anyone have any suggestions or tips? I've only seen RR's video on it, and that only explains how to pour and work in front of a flow hood, which I don't have. I do, however, have a 100% success rate using my glove box (Never had a grain transfer contam). Any help would be appreciated.
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Shea25
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In a glove box its the same don't work over top of your agar dishes work quick and efficiently. Wear glove rub them down with 70% iso also wear tyvek sleeves
Edited by Shea25 (05/20/10 01:09 PM)
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hamloaf
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NolaNomad said: Well, since I started growing, I've been collecting the equipment I need to do Agar work. I now have everything I need, and am going to do my first clone in the next day or two. Anyone have any suggestions or tips? I've only seen RR's video on it, and that only explains how to pour and work in front of a flow hood, which I don't have. I do, however, have a 100% success rate using my glove box (Never had a grain transfer contam). Any help would be appreciated.
Try open air procedures in your bathroom and think, "Jack be nimble, Jack be quick, Jack jump over the candlestick." Open air procedures are one of mycology's staples.
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Re: Ready for Agar [Re: hamloaf]
#12597880 - 05/20/10 12:41 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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hamloaf said:
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NolaNomad said: Well, since I started growing, I've been collecting the equipment I need to do Agar work. I now have everything I need, and am going to do my first clone in the next day or two. Anyone have any suggestions or tips? I've only seen RR's video on it, and that only explains how to pour and work in front of a flow hood, which I don't have. I do, however, have a 100% success rate using my glove box (Never had a grain transfer contam). Any help would be appreciated.
Try open air procedures in your bathroom and think, "Jack be nimble, Jack be quick, Jack jump over the candlestick." Open air sterile procedures are one of mycology's staples.
Fixed.
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hamloaf
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Shea25
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Re: Ready for Agar [Re: hamloaf]
#12598030 - 05/20/10 01:06 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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hamloaf said:
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NolaNomad said: Well, since I started growing, I've been collecting the equipment I need to do Agar work. I now have everything I need, and am going to do my first clone in the next day or two. Anyone have any suggestions or tips? I've only seen RR's video on it, and that only explains how to pour and work in front of a flow hood, which I don't have. I do, however, have a 100% success rate using my glove box (Never had a grain transfer contam). Any help would be appreciated.
Try open air procedures in your bathroom and think, "Jack be nimble, Jack be quick, Jack jump over the candlestick." Open air procedures are one of mycology's staples.
Why would you tell someone to do agar in the open air.
He has a glove box so he should use it always for agar
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Shea25
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Telling him to do open air agar when he has a glove box that he has had 100% success with is simply retarded, unless you know his mold spore count in his place or how clean it is I would not recommend ever doing agar in the open for a new comer especially when he has a glove box. If he listened to you he possibly could waste crap loads of agar and dishes and time
Open air is fine for inoculations but for , agar, G2G and spore printing glove box or flow hood all the way
That has to be some of the worst advice I have heard, epically for a first time agar user
Edited by Shea25 (05/20/10 01:15 PM)
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hamloaf
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Re: Ready for Agar [Re: Shea25]
#12598088 - 05/20/10 01:15 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Been there ~ done that, it worked
Glove boxes are constricting like a pair of tighty whities. Both will work for the pouring of agar.  I was new when I learned open air procedures as I am sure you were and now OP is.
Edited by LiquidMyce (05/20/10 01:18 PM)
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Shea25
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Re: Ready for Agar [Re: hamloaf]
#12598096 - 05/20/10 01:16 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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hamloaf said: Been there ~ done that it worked
Glove boxes are constricting like a pair of tighty whities. Both will work for the pouring of agar. 
Ya for you not everyone has houses that have low spores counts or that are lucky. Its still bad advice to give out to people.
Your like the only person I have heard telling a agar first timer to do it in the open air 
Look how many precautions RR takes even with a flow hood?
Open air Agar telling people to do it for there first time
Edited by Shea25 (05/20/10 01:19 PM)
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Re: Ready for Agar [Re: Shea25]
#12598435 - 05/20/10 02:16 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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I was new to agar when I practiced it so why not "suggest" open air procedures to another. Sounds to me that you are implying that OP or any body new to agar pouring does not have the skill or intelligence to pour agar in a bathroom using open air procedures. Why are you trying to drag RR into this discussion. I don't see the man anywhere in this thread. As far as me "like" being the only person you have ever heard "telling" (suggesting actually) a first timer to "do it in open air"(I actually suggest open air procedures not plain open air, there is a difference) I was a first timer when I poured agar in open air using the procedure and figured if I can do it anybody can. Also as time goes on you will be finding the way I do things to be quite unique. I am a one of a kind.
To disagree is one thing but, shea25, please. Give the whole   thing a rest. Again,
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Shea25
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Re: Ready for Agar [Re: hamloaf]
#12598458 - 05/20/10 02:20 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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figured if I can do it anybody can
That's not the way it works, people can have unknown mold issues/dirty homes ect..
keep telling people to to open air agar and I will tell them to use glove boxes or flowhood, and you will see how many people come back to you with contaminated agar, What might work for you wont work for everyone else some people have pretty bad mold issues with there house. A glove box or flow hood solves this problem .
That's Like one person inoculating a jar with straight wild(not cleaned up) print and now advocates doing that.
Good for you open air agar works but for most people it wont, if you cant see the wrong in advocating open air agar instead of telling people to use a glove box or flowhood, I think you need to do a little more research.
I don't see why your going against the grain and telling people to go open air over a glove box and flowhood for agar that's simply bad information
Its not like you coming up with some new experiential way to do agar, its just the wrong way to do agar correctly to maintain a high success rate .
I brought RR into this to explain even with a flowhood much care should be taken (procedures from his video) didn't think it was a crime to do so, that and I can use if I want to, it shows how ridiculous i think you advocating open air agar is. I don't need you telling me what I can and cannot use in my posts.
Other then that I'm not really up to debate this anymore it's plain and simple which is better and proven
Edited by Shea25 (05/20/10 02:39 PM)
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Cloneufc
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Re: Ready for Agar [Re: Shea25]
#12598761 - 05/20/10 03:10 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Open air agar!
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Re: Ready for Agar [Re: hamloaf]
#12598784 - 05/20/10 03:13 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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hamloaf said: Try open air procedures in your bathroom
bathrooms are one of the worst places
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Shea25
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Re: Ready for Agar [Re: Cloneufc]
#12598836 - 05/20/10 03:20 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cloneufc said: Open air agar! 
Agreed, happy someone finally came to back up this point
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hamloaf
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Re: Ready for Agar [Re: Shea25]
#12598908 - 05/20/10 03:32 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Big Daddy Hamloaf said:figured if I can do it anybody can
That's not the way it works, people can have unknown mold issues/dirty homes ect..
keep telling people to to open air agar and I will tell them to use glove boxes or flowhood, and you will see how many people come back to you with contaminated agar, What might work for you wont work for everyone else some people have pretty bad mold issues with there house. A glove box or flow hood solves this problem .
That's Like one person inoculating a jar with straight wild(not cleaned up) print and now advocates doing that.
Good for you open air agar works but for most people it wont, if you cant see the wrong in advocating open air agar instead of telling people to use a glove box or flowhood, I think you need to do a little more research.
I don't see why your going against the grain and telling people to go open air over a glove box and flowhood for agar that's simply bad information
Its not like you coming up with some new experiential way to do agar, its just the wrong way to do agar correctly to maintain a high success rate .
I brought RR into this to explain even with a flowhood much care should be taken (procedures from his video) didn't think it was a crime to do so, that and I can use if I want to, it shows how ridiculous i think you advocating open air agar is. I don't need you telling me what I can and cannot use in my posts.
Other then that I'm not really up to debate this anymore it's plain and simple which is better and proven
How many times are you going to edit this post then if you are so done with debate?
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Shea25
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Re: Ready for Agar [Re: hamloaf]
#12598919 - 05/20/10 03:34 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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As much as I need to to get my point across
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Re: Ready for Agar [Re: Cloneufc]
#12598945 - 05/20/10 03:38 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cloneufc said: Open air agar! 
Fixed
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ShroomProphet
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Re: Ready for Agar [Re: badman]
#12598971 - 05/20/10 03:43 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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You gotta love this guy, been here 5 months and gives crappy advice out like candy. Whats next a video.
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RogerRabbit
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A glovebox is second only to a flowhood. The two nastiest rooms in any house are bathrooms and kitchens. Kitchens have more molds due to food being stored there, and bathrooms have ungodly amounts of bacteria, not only from using the toilet, but shower curtains and stalls are literally bacteria breeding grounds, regardless of how much bleach one uses.
To the OP, look at the videos again. The first one shows how to pour dishes, but there's also a strain isolation video and a master culture slant video. The site has short clips which are free, taken from the full length DVD. RR
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hamloaf
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Re: Ready for Agar [Re: Shea25]
#12599409 - 05/20/10 04:51 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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ShroomProphet said: You gotta love this guy, been here 5 months and gives crappy advice out like candy. Whats next a video.
I am a good dude. I mere suggested open air procedures as a means to an end in the first place and in no way was advocating open air procedures over the use of a glove-box or flowhood just arguing that it will work. Which is clearly implied in my first post appearing in this thread with the use of the word "Try"
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Re: Ready for Agar [Re: Shea25]
#12599414 - 05/20/10 04:52 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shea25 said: I don't see why your going against the grain
..and just. You deserve this.
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Shea25
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Re: Ready for Agar [Re: hamloaf]
#12599423 - 05/20/10 04:54 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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hamloaf said:
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Shea25 said: I don't see why your going against the grain
..and just. You deserve this. 
Wow you have to refer to my grammar, since you got beat down on your open air agar idea. Very mature, keep acting like a baby.
I may make grammar mistakes but at least I help people and give proper information, you on the other hand Don't. Grow up learn a little more then come back and act mature
Edited by Shea25 (05/20/10 04:57 PM)
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andymc
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RogerRabbit said: The site has short clips which are free, taken from the full length DVD.
OP: one way to get more detailed information/tutorials is to buy RR's DVDs.
Paul Stamets's 'The Mushroom Cultivator' also has some useful info, but I found it a little light on details.
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Re: Ready for Agar [Re: Shea25]
#12600479 - 05/20/10 07:50 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shea25 said:
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hamloaf said:
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Shea25 said: I don't see why your going against the grain
..and just. You deserve this. 
Wow you have to refer to my grammar, since you got beat down on your open air agar idea. Very mature, keep acting like a baby.
I may make grammar mistakes but at least I help people and give proper information, you on the other hand Don't. Grow up learn a little more then come back and act mature
Don't like a taste of your own medicine I see. lol. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12532275#12532275
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Shea25
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Re: Ready for Agar [Re: hamloaf]
#12600497 - 05/20/10 07:53 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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hamloaf said:
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Shea25 said:
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hamloaf said:
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Shea25 said: I don't see why your going against the grain
..and just. You deserve this. 
Wow you have to refer to my grammar, since you got beat down on your open air agar idea. Very mature, keep acting like a baby.
I may make grammar mistakes but at least I help people and give proper information, you on the other hand Don't. Grow up learn a little more then come back and act mature
Don't like a taste of your own medicine I see. lol. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12532275#12532275
The big difference between that and this is, you are trying to be a dick beacuse you were proven wrong(maybe some hurt feelings)
When I posted that I was informing you (helping)
See your motive was to be a dick since you are hurt and childish I was helping
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Shea25
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Re: Ready for Agar [Re: hamloaf]
#12600507 - 05/20/10 07:55 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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You are cherry picking information to try to upset me since you were proven wrong. Further more proving how much of a child you are.
If you are not man enough to admit you were wrong then do us a favor and screw off about this topic or move on, simply trying to demean me is a feeble attempt and shows how hurt and wrong you are
Give it a rest you were proven wrong move along
Edited by Shea25 (05/20/10 08:02 PM)
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Re: Ready for Agar [Re: Shea25]
#12602561 - 05/21/10 05:57 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ladies ladies, put the handbags away.
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hamloaf
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Re: Ready for Agar [Re: badman]
#12602613 - 05/21/10 06:27 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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badman said: Ladies ladies, put the handbags away.
Troll? The last post in this thread was 10 and a half hours ago. Just messin with you man. It's a free forum. Forget censorship!
Shea25 got played like a fiddle and is to arrogant to realize it. "he's just trolling, I mean helping" and is a legend in his own mind. I am calm because I know open air procedures will work and am in no way advocating, as twisted by shea25, the use of open air procedures over still air glove boxes and flowhoods as fore mentioned twice http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12597818#12597818 http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12599409#12599409 now three times, but more so as a means to an end. Get it?
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Re: Ready for Agar [Re: hamloaf]
#12604489 - 05/21/10 02:26 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Oh belt up.
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Shea25
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Re: Ready for Agar [Re: hamloaf]
#12604525 - 05/21/10 02:32 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shea25 got played like a fiddle and is to arrogant to realize it. "he's just trolling, I mean helping" and is a legend in his own mind
 
Not only are you wrong you are delusional, you know I am not the only person telling you are wrong with open air agar.....everyone is telling you. I'm not the one that was played like a fiddle and is to arrogant to realize it, you are you give out bad information and everyone told you. You still don't see that.
When did I ever claim to be a legend, last time I check I didn't, further more proving you can't handle this debate about agar with a level of maturity, you resort to acting like a child.
Before this topic came up I thought you were a alright guy, now I know you can't handle being wrong and resort to nit picking and childish behavior
Edited by Shea25 (05/21/10 03:23 PM)
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Re: Ready for Agar [Re: Shea25]
#12605231 - 05/21/10 04:37 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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There you go again, full of yourself. It's not a question of right or wrong nor do I rarely do what everyone tells me to do, just because everyone tells me to do so, especially if I know other wise. If every body was telling you to jumping off a cliff, would you? I don't care what you think about me. I am a totally neat, sweet guy. This conversation is not personal as it is about clearing up muddy waters. You keep saying over and over again that open air procedure will not work, when open air procedures sure do work. I have inoculated agar with a q-tip in the bathroom' after I sterilized(took out all the linens and any and everything on the counters and bathtub that could possibly carry contaminate harboring dust and wiped down all surface, walls, floor, ceiling with a hearty disinfectant and sprayed a whole can of lysol in the area plus wiping down work surfaces with 70% isopropyl alcohol and in the kitchen, being as fast as I can and had an 80% success rate. For the fourth time. I merely suggested using open air procedures as a means to an end and am in no way advocating open air procedures superior to working in a glove box or in front of a flow hood, by any means. Well my fellow colleague and shroomerite, listen to yourself. It is quite plain to see who resorts to acting like a child by name calling and personal attacks when disagreed with.
To OP glove box and flow hood are superior ways to pour and inoculate agar over open air procedures. I was never disputing this.
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