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so last night..
    #12597344 - 05/20/10 10:53 AM (14 years, 2 days ago)

It's a long story, I know, if you don't want to read all this, it's fine. It's long just because all the exact details are there.

Well, at first...We go to a school to go drink and there's this 'skinhead' that kisses ass to anyone just to try to get something..such as alcohol or drugs from people and it's quite obvious, although not many people notice it. Anyways, I get out of my pc1000 meeting extremely annoyed because of a simple person, so this guy tells me, "come here" in a voice that sounds like he wants respect, so i reply.."Am I a fucking dog? Don't tell me that bullshit." and then he comes towards me. Anyways, he spots the bottle of JD and of course, kisses ass towards my friends by offering us a beer and I speak for everyone and say aggressively, "No, we're good.". Then as we walk away, he asks for a swig of the JD, once again, I aggressively replied "No".

Sometime after that, I felt a sense that because I didn't give him what he wanted, he was going to bullshit and make the place we were drinking at a total bust. Anyways, I told my friends this because that guy is a leecher and then you don't give him a hit or a drink, he will cause drama and do petty bullshit like be a dick for the rest of the day. Anyways, I've defended this guy a few times..not that I care about him, but  a few times some of my friends were going to jump him and I simply told them, "No, don't do it..he's a nobody, he's just going to start petty shit after that".

Anyways, We leave the school we were drinking at because I saw him bring over a few of his 'skinhead' friends. Keep in mind that nobody likes them around where we live, matter of fact..some of the 'people' I know call them out on the spot and I've seen it happen, they usually just sit there quietly and don't stand up for what they 'believe' in. So, anyways..after leaving the school, I realize that they start coming to the spots they know we frequent and I tell my friends that somethings going to happen soon and I know it..so I tell them that we are going to relocate to around my friends house. It's about 5 minutes that I see them a good distance from where we were which is about 50 feet from where we are. I told my friend before this that we are going to have to have a fight happening soon. At this point, we are slightly drunk, but drunk enough to fight and to not feel any of the blows that might be landed by them. Well, they come up to us and say that I owe them money, there are 3 guys and 1 girl. We could tell the girl was scared because she never looked at us and judging by that body language, I can tell that they had some kind of weapons. Shortly after they try to 'intimidate' us, they realize that it's not working and they walk away talking shit, which we respond to by asking them to come back and fight us but they keep walking..just like we expected them to.

It's about 5 minutes after that happened that the guy that I didn't give alcohol to that tells us that his buddies want us to go back to their truck to go 'handle' this shit quickly. So at this point, we laugh in this messenger's face, ask him why his buddies send him to come over to talk to us instead of coming along if they were so brave like they say they were. Anyways, we tell this guy to go get his buddies and he starts to walk away and I know his buddies have a knife or two, because they are all cowards that carry shanks. They knew that we knew how to fight and we were ready because we never flinched or moved from the spot we were at, they were the ones who kept their distance. So, after they all leave and that messenger bullshit happens, I go grab an aluminum bat and give it to my friend, because I knew for a fact they were going to come at me first because I figured that the bullshit that the first guy told them was all taken out of context and of course...I could tell by them telling us to go to their truck that they had a knife and were just going to shank me and drive away like cowards, I knew they weren't going to fight fists versus fists. After we find out where they were, we see them in a truck talking to a meth dealer that hangs around here, so we figured that they were going to get tweaked out then come fight us.

After they see that we know where they are, they don't get out of the car, they drive off and do a U-turn. Then come out of the car, the driver comes out waving around a 8 inch knife which they think is going to intimidate us. We simply stand there and they keep their distance, they know that we're not scared..and we weren't, why are we going to be scared of these punks when they know that we know people. Anyways, they talk bullshit and we stand there, I give my friends a look which is a signal that my friend with the bat should swing soon because we weren't gonna fight with weapons, our plan was to fight with fists and they bring a knife? Fuck that. We talk shit to them back, asking them to use the knife and after we ask them that, we see the driver shaking with the knife in his hand and they slowly back away, we could tell the driver wasn't going to use it..actually, we could tell none of them would do anything. I know their names and addresses, so if they were to do something, I could retaliate shortly.

So, after the driver waves around the knife trying to intimidate us, we show them the bat and they know that if they get close they're going to shortly be unconscious because my friend has long arms, an aluminum bat is light enough to be swung hard and quickly, I could swing at least 3 times in 5 seconds with full force. The 'messenger' doesn't even get out of the car and the girl switches sides of the car because she's scared. They try to intimidate us once more by U-turning and then attempting to scare us with their car by looking like they were going to run us over, we don't flinch and we laugh at them as they pull that stupid stunt..after that, they simply drive away.

I'm gonna buy a gun because nobody likes to threatened with a knife. Would this be a good idea, people? I have a feeling it's going to be, because they fight dirty and of course, they're not going to get close enough to me if they're going to bring a knife. What are they going to do when I shoot them in the knees with a knife in their hand? Nothing. Would I be in the right doing this? I'm aware of the consequences and all that, but I am just trying to make sure if shooting someone without the intent to kill would be right.

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Re: so last night.. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #12597617 - 05/20/10 11:43 AM (14 years, 2 days ago)

Sounds like they'll buy a gun and shoot up your house...

or maybe they'd burn it down, as skinheads probably like to do.

You should stop this fighting b.s.  Join the military if you want to fight.  Let bygones be bygones.  And you don't need to give shit to anybody that you don't want to give it to.  Let that be that.


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Re: so last night.. [Re: Tri High]
    #12597634 - 05/20/10 11:47 AM (14 years, 2 days ago)

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Tri High said:
Sounds like they'll buy a gun and shoot up your house...

or maybe they'd burn it down, as skinheads probably like to do.

You should stop this fighting b.s.  Join the military if you want to fight.  Let bygones be bygones.  And you don't need to give shit to anybody that you don't want to give it to.  Let that be that.



So what you're saying is...is that I should just let them stab me with that knife?

I didn't start anything, that guy that I didn't give alcohol to basically got butthurt because I didn't give him what he wanted and he's like that. I asked if buying a gun was a good idea, because honestly...I'd rather shoot someone in the knees than get stabbed.

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Re: so last night.. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #12597776 - 05/20/10 12:15 PM (14 years, 2 days ago)

walk away :thumbup:

if necessary, catch him later when he's by hisself and it's mono a mono.


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Re: so last night.. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #12598419 - 05/20/10 02:12 PM (14 years, 2 days ago)

Wow!  You made a lot of mistakes there.  There's lot's of life lessons you have yet to learn.  I'm not always right, but what I know has been from experience.  Since you typed such a long post I'll try to point out everything I can.

> Well, at first...We go to a school to go drink

WTF??  Don't drink at schools.  There's usually too many authority figures and rats around.  Most crimes are also what they call 'enhanced' by being near a school.  That often means 2x punishment.  At the very least the court will play it up citing a danger to children, etc..

> he asks for a swig of the JD, once again, I aggressively replied "No".

You need to treat people one of two ways...

-Be cool and just give him a damn swig. (a shot of booze is like $0.75)
Or
-"I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire"  That means he is so beneath you that he's not worth of talking to or allowing near you.  You don't even bother noticing him, and if he talks to you a dirty look and a "piss off" is all he gets in reply.

Believe it or not, if you're clear and consistent with how you feel about and treat people you'll have a lot less problems.  For someone to fuck with you they usually need a reason, some argument or problem that gets them mad.  If you don't deal with them whatsoever there's nothing for them to get mad about.  They just know that you're someone that doesn't give a shit about them and won't have anything to do with them.

It seems like you repeatedly make this mistake throughout the story.


> I felt a sense that because I didn't give him what he wanted, he was going to bullshit and make the place we were drinking at a total bust.

That's your intuition.  Learn to trust it.  It costs nothing to move along, but you risk a lot if you don't.  I know plenty of people that have gotten that bad feeling and bailed, later to find out that shit went south shortly after.

Learn to trust other people's intuition too.  Sometimes different people will pick up the vibe that saves your ass.  It's also common for narcs to bail right before the bust.  Really if anyone bails without a reason you should too.


> some of the 'people' I know call them out on the spot and I've seen it happen,

You should too.  Stand up for your principles, in the end as long as you do what's right you'll have no regrets.

Like I said earlier though, make it clear you won't have anything to do with him, give him a reason (rasist piece of shit is a good one), and then never give him the time of day again.


> Well, they come up to us and say that I owe them money,

Usually a bad idea, but if you fancy yourself a hardend street-wise person with respect... Throw down right then.  Don't let shit escalate and don't let lying sacks even speak your name on your turf.

The easiest fights to win are those where you surprise them without all the bullshit pushing and stupidity of a kids fight.

They cross the line and you straight up jack them as soon as they do.

> they walk away talking shit, which we respond to by asking them to come back and fight us but they keep walking..

That's grade school bullshit.  Like I said, keep your cool, don't even acknowledge their bullshit, and jack them hard if they cross the line.  You do that once and you'll never have this problem again.


> So at this point, we laugh in this messenger's face, ask him why his buddies send him to come over to talk to us

Same shit.  Some 'messenger' challenges you to a fight and they've crossed the (at least my) line.  Straight up jack them.  They won't expect it and you won't have any more 'grade school' level problems from them.  Their buddies aren't going to come fight after their bitch get's punked right off the bat.

> I go grab an aluminum bat

Never bring in a weapon.  You just went from 'simple battery' (3-7 days in jail) to 'assault with a deadly weapon' (possibly years in prison).

Everyone always claims that the other party pulled a weapon and they pulled theirs to defend themselves.  You don't want to be involved in that bullshit.


> I knew they weren't going to fight fists versus fists.

If they don't have enough honor to fight in a fair fight then you want nothing to do with it.  It's not worth it to fight such cowards as the victory is worthless.

> they were going to get tweaked out then come fight us.

You don't want to fight people that are jacked up.  Even if you beat their asses they won't stop and you'll have to really hurt them.  Then it ends up worse all around.  Hospitals, cops, etc., etc..

> ...

About every two lines I want to tell you to quit escalating shit and have nothing to do with them.  Ignore them and they'll go away.  If they don't then jack them right off the bat.

> I know their names and addresses, so if they were to do something, I could retaliate shortly.

Good.  You don't want anything to do with weapon fights.  The second they pull a weapon you call the cops and tell them that someone is brandishing a knife towards you and threatening your life.  Guess what... they go right to jail.

If they aren't going to follow the code of the street then they aren't entitled to even street law.  It's a crime to brandish a weapon and a crime to threaten someone.  Send them straight to jail and laugh about it while they're in the can.  Tell everyone that they are such pussies that they aren't worthy of even a fair fight, and that you send pussies like that straight to jail so they can get in touch with their homosexual side.


> I'm gonna buy a gun because nobody likes to threatened with a knife. Would this be a good idea, people?

That's up to you.  99% of the time guns make things worse, not better.  You can't wave them around or someone will call the cops and you'll go to jail.  You can't take them lots of places and you can't conceal them legally.  Even if you have a concealed weapons permit you can't take them into bars, schools, or be intoxicated while packing.

> they're not going to get close enough to me if they're going to bring a knife.

You need to read up on the knife rule.  They have to be within 7 or 9 feet of you (I forget, maybe someone can clarify) to be a threat.  Basically you can't gun them down unless they're already within striking range.  They figure this range on what a long lunge with the knife out could hit.

> What are they going to do when I shoot them in the knees with a knife in their hand?

You got that part right.  Don't kill them unless they're in your house.  Shoot them in the leg or knee and keep repeating the phrase "I was in fear of my life".  Then you've got a 50x better chance of getting off.

> I am just trying to make sure if shooting someone without the intent to kill would be right.

You don't know what their intent is.  All that matters in court is the facts.  He came at you with a knife and you believed he intended to kill you.

Don't ever waver from that story... You believed he was trying to kill you and were in fear for your life.  It also plays heavily in your favor that you didn't kill him and purposely spared his life despite the fact he was trying to kill you.

Other things you need to know... Pistols are LOUD AS FUCK.  The second you pull that trigger everyone in a 5 block radius is going to be looking at you and calling the cops.  When they testify they're going to say "I heard a gunshot and I looked and saw XXX pointing a gun at the victim laying on the ground."  That's all 95% of the witness are going to see and that's not good for you.

As soon as you shoot you conceal the gun immediately.  It doesn't change the facts, but it does change what all the witnesses will report to the cops.

You really don't need a gun though.  This is some real grade school bullshit with stupid pussies.

Don't escalate, don't say shit, they're beneath even your contempt.  If they cross the line jack them fast and hard, then go right back to ignoring them.  Tell your immediate friends what a pussy and coward they are, then quit talking shit.  Don't mention it again.  Gossiping and bullshitting is lame and will only make them think they have to get back at you to shut you up.  Just say "I don't even talk about punks that weak," if it comes up.  When you ignore them they'll ignore and steer clear of you.

Multiple punk fight tip...  Do what's called "Looking them off".  How you do that is say something like "you worthless piece of shit" as you close the distance to one of them.  Before you get in his range you throw a hard hey-maker and deck one of the other guys.  That way you start the fight with one of them already down.

That works because everyone likes to watch and don't even think about defending themselves or ducking since you're coming straight for dude #1, you surprise them by decking dude #2 (who is closer than dude #1).  That way you close the distance to dude #2 without alerting him he is about to get decked.  He then gets blasted off his feet without even having time to blink, duck, throw up his guard, etc..

Dude #1 should be the further guy, dude #2 should be closer.  As you approach dude #1 his friends will circle/close around you a bit to either side of you, and will have no clue you are about to jack them.  You approach dude #1 at a fast walk, not a lunge, charge, or run.  This way you keep your legs under you and can deliver full power to the punch on #2.

I've heard of this used many times and seen it twice.  Both times dude #2 was out for 1-4 SOLID minutes and woke up with absolutely no memory of actually seeing the punch coming, or even who hit him.  You can do a lot of damage punching a dude full force when he's not ready, so make sure you really want to fuck him up.  It's best if he's the one you want to fuck up the most.  1. He will get fucked up the most.  2. His friends will probably run and you can deliver whatever remaining beating that #2 deserves.

Another fight tip...  If you know you're going to fight wear gloves (fingerless leather are good) for christ's sakes.  Nothing sucks like loosing because you broke your hand or suffering the next week because the dude's teeth fucked your hand all up.  Rings work pretty well also since they leave a big cut instead of just a bruise, but you can't use them with the gloves well.  Then you also have to deal with the blood, scar you gave him, etc..  Scarring a dude will make him want to retaliate.

It's hard, but try to avoid punching the mouth if you don't have gloves on.  Teeth almost always will fuck up your fist and it's also a dead giveaway to the cops that you punched someone.  They usually check hands first when looking at a suspect.


Make it clear that any bitch that pulls a knife on you goes to jail.  If anyone bitches tell them that if they aren't willing to have a fair fight they have no right to street law.  Also say that "the two options are send them to jail or kill them, which do you think is better?"  "I did him a favor letting him slide so easily!"

If someone pulls a weapon on me they better be ready to kill me because I'm going to kill them if they don't kill me first.  (unless I have a gun, then always go for the leg/knee)

Another tip... Knees are great.  If you fuck up a knee right the dude is out for MONTHS along with extreme pain.  People I know that have had knees out cringe even talking about or thinking of their knee getting hit again.

Another tip... Make sure your friends have your back.  Way too many people just watch or freeze when the fight starts.  Tell your friends that if ANY sort of scuffle starts you will jump in hard and fast on their behalf the second it starts.  Tell them you expect the same... instant help.

I've seen many, many so called "friends" watch, run, or freeze when a fight starts, or they half-ass it and are ineffective.  That's sad because having a good extra on your side makes a world of difference.  Once one dude is engaged, distracted, or in a clinch with another dude he is absolutely defenseless.  If there's multiple dudes then start laying them out while they're distracted.  If it's just one dude grab him in a sleeper/choke hold and let your friend work him over until he's satisfied.

One time there was this big tall dude who thought he could just grab my friend by the neck and slam him against the wall.  Instantly I had him in a sleeper and I held him there until he settled down.  That actually took awhile and I had to keep putting him almost out and alternately delivering hard knees to his ribs until he settled down.

I'm on the short side and this dude was big and probably 6'5" or better.  I actually had to jump up a long ways to get my arm around his neck.  When I did I was hanging well off the ground and the dude toppled over backwards.

Anyways, you need to be able to count on your friends to INSTANTLY jump into ANY fight and go for broke as soon as it happens.  I say this because it only takes a split second and one good punch to end a fight.  In a lot of fights if you blink it's already over.

Good luck and don't take any shit.  If you don't give any shit either you'll be respected and stay out of trouble.  Hope this helped.


-FF

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Re: so last night.. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #12598483 - 05/20/10 02:26 PM (14 years, 2 days ago)

this post coulda jsut been summed up with

"I'M A TOTAL HARDASS WITH A SIX FOOT DICK. ME AND MY FRIENDS, WE'RE KIND OF A BIG DEAL. SHOULD I BUY A GUN AND BE A GANGSTA LIKE 50cent???"

and the answer is no, don't buy a fuckin gun unless you want to be taking large black ones up the ass for many years.

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Re: so last night.. [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #12598560 - 05/20/10 02:40 PM (14 years, 2 days ago)

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Anonymous said:
this post coulda jsut been summed up with

"I'M A TOTAL HARDASS WITH A SIX FOOT DICK. ME AND MY FRIENDS, WE'RE KIND OF A BIG DEAL. SHOULD I BUY A GUN AND BE A GANGSTA LIKE 50cent???"





:laugh2:

but on a more serious note. Don't let pride be your downfall

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Re: so last night.. [Re: DankDee]
    #12603284 - 05/21/10 10:22 AM (14 years, 1 day ago)

Thanks for the advice FF, most of that is common actions I'd take but it's also good to know the consequences of the shit I was gonna do.

By the way, I have respect for people, just not the first guy because he's a prick most of the time and like I said..he gets mad when you don't give him what he wants. Plus, he's a 'skinhead', I know a few of those people as well and they're past their level in the streets, we're talking actual Aryans and stuff. That being said, whenever they're around where I live they get called out on the spot, so I kinda figured they were just punks. But thinking back now, I probably shoulda just jumped the messenger on account of being a total prick.

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Re: so last night.. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #12603452 - 05/21/10 11:02 AM (14 years, 1 day ago)

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But thinking back now, I probably shoulda just jumped the messenger on account of being a total prick.




Yes, because that would certainly prove your manhood.  :lol:


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Re: so last night.. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #12605375 - 05/21/10 05:03 PM (14 years, 1 day ago)

You are supposed to be over the age of eighteen years of age from vaginal-passage to be here.

Stop.:nonono:

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> I know their names and addresses, so if they were to do something, I could retaliate shortly.

Good.  You don't want anything to do with weapon fights.  The second they pull a weapon you call the cops and tell them that someone is brandishing a knife towards you and threatening your life.  Guess what... they go right to jail.

If they aren't going to follow the code of the street then they aren't entitled to even street law.  It's a crime to brandish a weapon and a crime to threaten someone.  Send them straight to jail and laugh about it while they're in the can.  Tell everyone that they are such pussies that they aren't worthy of even a fair fight, and that you send pussies like that straight to jail so they can get in touch with their homosexual side.





In jail? Must be a rough jail you speak of.


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Re: so last night.. [Re: numonkei]
    #12614287 - 05/23/10 01:41 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Epic post Fred.  Literally one of the most entertaining posts I've read here.


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Re: so last night.. [Re: Humility]
    #12617525 - 05/23/10 11:44 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I can't believe I wasted my time reading this BS.


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Re: so last night.. [Re: TrancedShroom]
    #12618082 - 05/24/10 02:31 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

> Epic post Fred.  Literally one of the most entertaining posts I've read here.

>> I can't believe I wasted my time reading this BS.


Well, that about sums it up.  Hopefully the readers can tell who's going to be more successful at life.

Whenever I catch on that someone is telling me real street lessons learned through experience... I eat it right up.  I'll sit there in awe asking as many questions as I can get away with.

Hopefully good people read my rather long post.  Some I learned myself and other things I learned, and then witnessed, by learning from people more street-wise than myself.  "Looking them off" is a real hard-core street fighting technique, and it works like magic.  I learned this from a street fighter that was able to come out of the craziest situations I'd ever heard of.

Fighting is all about skill and experience.  I don't have the size, brute strength, or stamina... so I better damn well have the skill.  I've always learned as much as I can from people with real-world experience, and it's done me well.  You need to know when to do what, and have a shit load of tricks up your sleeve.

Seems like the OP was a rather inexperienced punk going up against some real pieces of shit.  So I thought I'd pass on as much as I could. 


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Re: so last night.. [Re: fastfred]
    #12618225 - 05/24/10 03:41 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I was talking about OP


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Re: so last night.. [Re: TrancedShroom]
    #12618237 - 05/24/10 03:46 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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I was talking about OP



I didn't put a gun to your head and said "Read it".

You could've stopped reading after the first paragraph, if not sentence in bold.

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Re: so last night.. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #12618278 - 05/24/10 04:13 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

The story was hyped to the point where the reader would believe something happened at the end.

You didn't provide anything worthwhile and therefore I was mad I wasted my time reading it. You should have at least lied and said you bashed the guy's head in. lol


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