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ant61


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Re: UPDATE #5 (more PICS): The Saga Continues: Blue Trays & Side Pins [Re: pairshroom]
#12574332 - 05/16/10 05:01 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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pairshroom
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Re: UPDATE #5 (more PICS): The Saga Continues: Blue Trays & Side Pins [Re: ant61]
#12574416 - 05/16/10 05:12 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Has anyone seen an impeller-type coolmist humidifier cause such drying of colonized substrate? I can't believe it, given the greenhouse humidity of 98-100%. However, the water level lasts for days in the coolmist (box says up to 20 hours per filling), and I wonder if there is some issue with it.
This is the unit I have. I was going to get a replacement to see if it works differently.
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Re: UPDATE #5 (more PICS): The Saga Continues: Blue Trays & Side Pins [Re: pairshroom]
#12575089 - 05/16/10 07:18 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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you placed it on a bed of verm/perlite? I would not recommend that. Vermiculite is partially nutritive while perlite is not. I've heard of people saying that putting their cake directly on the perlite gave it more water because mycelial roots grew into the perlite and wicked the water into the cakes.
However if you put it like that for now it's probibly better off to leave it and worry about doing it differently next time.
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Re: UPDATE #5 (more PICS): The Saga Continues: Blue Trays & Side Pins [Re: ScavengerType]
#12575551 - 05/16/10 08:49 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm basically using this Tek a la HippieChick (https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6572755#6572755).
I was unaware that vermiculite was nutritive, aside from offering some needed minerals. I understand that it is a mineral of the silicate clay mica type, mined in various parts of the world, and that it has no organic components to serve as a biological fuel (although it holds moisture well, and can serve as a good substrate additive because of this property). I didn't think that fungi could actually digest it or grow on verm alone. Isn't that why BRF is an ingredient of cakes?
Thanks.
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Re: UPDATE #5 (more PICS): The Saga Continues: Blue Trays & Side Pins [Re: pairshroom]
#12576690 - 05/17/10 12:17 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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well it's not a big thing but the worry is contaminants here. If you leave wet verm around it could get a chunk of something nutritive on it and feed a contaminant and whatnot. Like I said, don't worry bout it now, the likelihood of something going wrong is pretty slim, but it is something to consider in the future.
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Re: UPDATE #5 (more PICS): The Saga Continues: Blue Trays & Side Pins [Re: pairshroom]
#12577767 - 05/17/10 07:55 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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pairshroom said: Has anyone seen an impeller-type coolmist humidifier cause such drying of colonized substrate? I can't believe it, given the greenhouse humidity of 98-100%. However, the water level lasts for days in the coolmist (box says up to 20 hours per filling), and I wonder if there is some issue with it.
This is the unit I have. I was going to get a replacement to see if it works differently.

I see your problem here. Those little impeller coolmists are great, but they don't last for that long without a refill. As soon as the water starts getting low, the output drops off dramatically.
Regarding verm, you're right, it has no calories, just valuable minerals. You still have to sterilize or pasteurize it tho, cuz it can contain contaminate bits of wood or leaf and fungal spores.
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pairshroom
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Re: UPDATE #5 (more PICS): The Saga Continues: Blue Trays & Side Pins [Re: anonjon]
#12577916 - 05/17/10 09:01 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks for the reply, anonjon.
I think I must have been a bit ambiguous about the coolmist. The issue isn't that the water level runs down too quickly, it's that it doesn't appear to run down quickly enough. The instuctions claim that the unit can run up to 20 hours on one fill. But my unit can last days and days (even with constant running) with only a slight, slow depletion of water from the reservoir. I don't know if this is expected behavior. I would think the water level would drop more quickly. I took the unit apart, and it seems that everything is intact.
If the water level isn't dropping as fast as it should, perhaps the unit is doing more drying (like a fan) than humidifying? I do have 99-100% humidity, though (using ultrasonic, too).
I have a new unit on order, in order to see if it has the same issue.
Thanks.
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Re: UPDATE #5 (more PICS): The Saga Continues: Blue Trays & Side Pins [Re: pairshroom]
#12587597 - 05/18/10 05:53 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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it's possible if it is running uniformly at this slow speed that it is probibly a defective unit (likely something with the fan). Provided there is no intensity setting on the unit.
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pairshroom
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Re: UPDATE #5 (more PICS): The Saga Continues: Blue Trays & Side Pins [Re: ScavengerType]
#12588468 - 05/18/10 08:34 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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There are no adjustments possible on this unit. Plugged in = ON; unplugged = OFF. No speed settings. Since I am keeping the unit in the greenhouse, I removed the filter, which improves output a bit. I think the filter was getting a bit saturated due to the high humidity in the greenhouse, which I think is part of the issue.
In any event, fruiting is occurring nicely. I just harvested the fruits from one of the trays whose veils were beginning to open (mainly just the side pins). Wet weight was 220 gm for about 1/3 of the shrooms in a 6 qt tray, which I think is decent. Man, do they ever bruise deep blue. No wonder the surface of my trays turned color due to some drying - these things turn blue just by looking at them too long!
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Re: UPDATE #5 (more PICS): The Saga Continues: Blue Trays & Side Pins [Re: pairshroom]
#12588673 - 05/18/10 09:07 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yea I see the problem, it's not a filter. It's a porous fabric that wicks the water up from the unit. The fan then draws that moisture into the air as it expels it. When you took what you thought was the filter out you prevented the main method of getting moisture into the air. This is probibly why you were having moisture problems and why your unit doesn't seem to use water at a normal rate.
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Re: UPDATE #5 (more PICS): The Saga Continues: Blue Trays & Side Pins [Re: ScavengerType]
#12588805 - 05/18/10 09:23 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Actually, this unit is an impeller-type unit, not a wicking-type. The filter for the impeller-type units serves only to prevent dust, hair, dirt, etc. from getting into the water reservoir.
Thanks.
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Re: UPDATE #5 (more PICS): The Saga Continues: Blue Trays & Side Pins [Re: anonjon]
#12588843 - 05/18/10 09:30 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Te fQuote:
anonjon said: I see your problem here. Those little impeller coolmists are great, but they don't last for that long without a refill. As soon as the water starts getting low, the output drops off dramatically.
I have to refill mine like every day it seems
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Re: UPDATE #5 (more PICS): The Saga Continues: Blue Trays & Side Pins [Re: ambargh]
#12590068 - 05/19/10 01:25 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Its probably because its only on for 5 minutes. Is it still pretty new? I'd run it for like 2-3 days nonstop full blast to get the bearings going. Probably outside of the greenhouse...
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pairshroom
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Re: UPDATE #5 (more PICS): The Saga Continues: Blue Trays & Side Pins [Re: scatmanrav]
#12594661 - 05/19/10 08:45 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's still very new (only about 10 days old). The first three days I ran the unit 24/7 with similar results - water level running down slowly. After three days, I still had over 1/2 the reservoir filled. I just got a second, identical unit and it behaves exactly the same way.
I must conclude that either (a) this is normal for this model (although instructions claim 20 hours), (b) I have two defective units (unlikely), (c) it has to do with running the unit inside of the greenhouse, perhaps due to high ambient humidity (doesn't make much sense to me for this impeller-based unit).
This weekend, I will try running a unit outside of the greenhouse as a control to see if the behavior differs. I will post back my results.
P.S. Just finished first flush -- about 1400 gm for 4 6qt containers. Not sure what is average, but this seems amazing to me.
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Re: UPDATE #5 (more PICS): The Saga Continues: Blue Trays & Side Pins [Re: pairshroom]
#12594757 - 05/19/10 09:06 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'd bet c. sorry for mistaking earlier.
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