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Do you boil the grains in the water you soaked them in?
    #12593867 - 05/19/10 06:22 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry for such a noob question.  I can't find the answer to it.

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Re: Do you boil the grains in the water you soaked them in? [Re: batalbj1]
    #12593873 - 05/19/10 06:22 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Yes

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Re: Do you boil the grains in the water you soaked them in? [Re: Shea25]
    #12593943 - 05/19/10 06:35 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

i do,but you don't have too.

It will kill the bacteria in the water before it goes down the drain...


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Re: Do you boil the grains in the water you soaked them in? [Re: Antii]
    #12594032 - 05/19/10 06:51 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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It will kill the bacteria in the water before it goes down the drain...




It will also aid in the drying process.  If you pour the simmering grain directly from your pot into a colander and shake a lot of the water will be released as steam.  Shake, let it sit, shake, let it sit, shake, load jars.  :wink:


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Re: Do you boil the grains in the water you soaked them in? [Re: Dharmatripper]
    #12594036 - 05/19/10 06:53 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Antii said:


It will kill the bacteria in the water before it goes down the drain...




It will also aid in the drying process.  If you pour the simmering grain directly from your pot into a colander and shake a lot of the water will be released as steam.  Shake, let it sit, shake, let it sit, shake, load jars.  :wink:





This happens regardless if you boil the rye in the soaking water or not

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Re: Do you boil the grains in the water you soaked them in? [Re: Dharmatripper]
    #12594040 - 05/19/10 06:53 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

i rinse with hot water after i simmer
clump free in my current batch
i also use the spoon test for moisture content


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Re: Do you boil the grains in the water you soaked them in? [Re: Dharmatripper]
    #12594044 - 05/19/10 06:53 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Good advice :thumbup:

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Re: Do you boil the grains in the water you soaked them in? [Re: linkin17222]
    #12594157 - 05/19/10 07:13 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Simmering always leads to exploded grains and oversaturation from what I've heard.  I'm sure its due to inattention and negligence though.  Being a lazy slob is not conducive to the hobby.  A 24 hour soak has consistently provided 100% colonized jars in a reasonable time without stalling.  Generally speaking about 10 days from LC to fuzzy white deliciousness.

*edit* soak, not simmer for 24 hours.  thanks!


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Re: Do you boil the grains in the water you soaked them in? [Re: batalbj1]
    #12594186 - 05/19/10 07:18 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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batalbj1 said:
Sorry for such a noob question.  I can't find the answer to it.



If you are going to use the boil step.
Yes, you boil the grains in the water you soaked them in.

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Re: Do you boil the grains in the water you soaked them in? [Re: Pfffffff]
    #12594193 - 05/19/10 07:20 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Simmering always leads to exploded grains and oversaturation from what I've heard.  I'm sure its due to inattention and negligence though.  Being a lazy slob is not conducive to the hobby.  A 24 hour simmer has consistently provided 100% colonized jars in a reasonable time without stalling.  Generally speaking about 10 days from LC to fuzzy white deliciousness.





Simmering always leads to exploded grains and oversaturation from what I've heard


It should not what so ever, I have never had this problem.

Also a 24 hour simmer would be pretty long

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Re: Do you boil the grains in the water you soaked them in? [Re: Shea25]
    #12594211 - 05/19/10 07:23 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Simmering always leads to exploded grains and oversaturation from what I've heard.  I'm sure its due to inattention and negligence though.  Being a lazy slob is not conducive to the hobby.  A 24 hour simmer has consistently provided 100% colonized jars in a reasonable time without stalling.  Generally speaking about 10 days from LC to fuzzy white deliciousness.





Simmering always leads to exploded grains and oversaturation from what I've heard


It should not what so ever, I have never had this problem.

Also a 24 hour simmer would be pretty long



I agree fully...the problem is if you are inattentive or otherwise distracted, just a little too much heat is really irritating.  Plus, being a lazy bastard, eliminating a step is good (given that you consistently get good results still).  Haven't seen an issue yet.  Can't knock doing everything by the book though.  Numerous intelligent people have probably shown that simmering is better...I'm an amateur.


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Re: Do you boil the grains in the water you soaked them in? [Re: Pfffffff]
    #12594217 - 05/19/10 07:23 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Simmering always leads to exploded grains and oversaturation from what I've heard.  I'm sure its due to inattention and negligence though.  Being a lazy slob is not conducive to the hobby.  A 24 hour simmer has consistently provided 100% colonized jars in a reasonable time without stalling.  Generally speaking about 10 days from LC to fuzzy white deliciousness.




Im not sure why you say you will simmer grains for 24 hours. Strange advice.

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Re: Do you boil the grains in the water you soaked them in? [Re: _OttO_]
    #12594224 - 05/19/10 07:24 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Pfffffff said:
Simmering always leads to exploded grains and oversaturation from what I've heard.  I'm sure its due to inattention and negligence though.  Being a lazy slob is not conducive to the hobby.  A 24 hour simmer has consistently provided 100% colonized jars in a reasonable time without stalling.  Generally speaking about 10 days from LC to fuzzy white deliciousness.




Im not sure why you say you will simmer grains for 24 hours. Strange advice.



ROFL sorry...soaking for 24 hours.  Thank you, I will edit my post.


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Re: Do you boil the grains in the water you soaked them in? [Re: Pfffffff]
    #12594259 - 05/19/10 07:30 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

How I do WBS.

1. Rinse well
2. Soak 18 to 24 hours.
3. Rinse again.
4. Short simmer until steaming.
(I don't boil, just heat up the wbs)
5. Stread out hot wbs to dry.
6. Once it will not stick to a spoon or paper towel, its ready to load.


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Re: Do you boil the grains in the water you soaked them in? [Re: Pfffffff]
    #12594263 - 05/19/10 07:31 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

For me, the best way was to get the water to a rolling boil, turn it off - wait for it to cool just a little (maybe 10 mins) then add the grains and soak over night.

In the morning they were ready to load.

This was easy and consistently gave perfect grain.

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Re: Do you boil the grains in the water you soaked them in? [Re: myco.alchemist]
    #12594320 - 05/19/10 07:40 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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How I do WBS.

1. Rinse well
2. Soak 18 to 24 hours.
3. Rinse again.
4. Short simmer until steaming.
(I don't boil, just heat up the wbs)
5. Stread out hot wbs to dry.
6. Once it will not stick to a spoon or paper towel, its ready to load.




this is how i roll also. i just throw in some deluted coffee during the soak, and gypsum when i have some.


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Re: Do you boil the grains in the water you soaked them in? [Re: TacoHerder]
    #12594412 - 05/19/10 07:58 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

i havent soaked in a long long long long time.haha


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Re: Do you boil the grains in the water you soaked them in? [Re: deladude]
    #12594432 - 05/19/10 08:02 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

i found my grains would get a little too dry overtime if i did the simmer and not soak tek.


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Re: Do you boil the grains in the water you soaked them in? [Re: TacoHerder]
    #12594442 - 05/19/10 08:04 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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i found my grains would get a little too dry overtime if i did the simmer and not soak tek.



i simmer till a lot of the grains start bursting.
i know every1 says thats not good, but burst grains (ime) tend to colonize faster.


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Re: Do you boil the grains in the water you soaked them in? [Re: deladude]
    #12594585 - 05/19/10 08:31 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

One can boil in the soak water or change it for fresh, either one.  When I lived in the city, I'd always boil in the soak water for the sake of expediency.  However, now that I live in the mountains and have a septic tank, I like to pour the bacteria infested water down the drain because it helps to keep the septic tank working properly.

Burst kernels are from simmering or boiling without properly soaking first.  Rinse the grains in hot tap water and begin the soak in hot tap water.  After 4 to 24 hours, you can bring them to a rapid boil for ten minutes and then drain.  This is how it's shown in the DVD and results in zero burst kernels.
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