Home | Community | Message Board


This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: OlympusMyco.com No Unicorns Here—Just Quality Bags That Work   Mushroom-Hut Grow Bags   MagicBag.co Certified Organic All-In-One Grow Bags   North Spore Bulk Substrate   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Bridgetown Botanicals CBD Concentrates   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   PhytoExtractum Kratom Powder for Sale

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1 | 2 | 3  [ show all ]
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
OfflineBentley
 User Gallery


Registered: 01/25/10
Posts: 717
Last seen: 2 years, 14 days
Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow.
    #12593786 - 05/19/10 06:06 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I don't have a thermometer so I can't measure the temp, would it be a problem if I throw it in a pot and let it simmer for 60 minutes or so? With some coir and verm? Thanks!

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleShea25
Just some guy
Male


Registered: 01/27/09
Posts: 7,772
Loc: Westcoast Canada Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Bentley]
    #12593794 - 05/19/10 06:07 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Bentley said:
I don't have a thermometer so I can't measure the temp, would it be a problem if I throw it in a pot and let it simmer for 60 minutes or so? With some coir and verm? Thanks!




Im sure that would exceed the pasteurization temps, just buy a meat thermometer

Going past the pasteurization temps will increase your contam rate

Edited by Shea25 (05/19/10 08:24 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleteknix
𓂀⟁𓅢𓍝𓅃𓊰𓉡 𓁼𓆗⨻
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/16/08
Posts: 11,953
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Shea25]
    #12593830 - 05/19/10 06:16 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Compared to
Quote:

Shea25 said:
Quote:

Bentley said:
I don't have a thermometer so I can't measure the temp, would it be a problem if I throw it in a pot and let it simmer for 60 minutes or so? With some coir and verm? Thanks!




Im sure that would exceed the pasteurization temps, just by a meat thermometer

Going past the pasteurization temps will increase your contam rate



Compared to what?

No pastuerization at all?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleShea25
Just some guy
Male


Registered: 01/27/09
Posts: 7,772
Loc: Westcoast Canada Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: teknix]
    #12593854 - 05/19/10 06:20 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

teknix said:
Compared to
Quote:

Shea25 said:
Quote:

Bentley said:
I don't have a thermometer so I can't measure the temp, would it be a problem if I throw it in a pot and let it simmer for 60 minutes or so? With some coir and verm? Thanks!




Im sure that would exceed the pasteurization temps, just by a meat thermometer

Going past the pasteurization temps will increase your contam rate



Compared to what?

No pastuerization at all?





Compared to properly pasteurizing it, or not forking out 4 bucks to get a meat thermometer, and not pasteurizing at all

Edited by Shea25 (05/19/10 06:20 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblem00nshine
ÜBER SHAMAN
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 11/18/05
Posts: 9,774
Loc: BALLS DEEP
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Shea25]
    #12593911 - 05/19/10 06:29 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, get a meat thermometer. It's only like $10. And get a pillowcase, too, it just makes it easier, and you can actually do it correctly :lol: IME going over the recommended temps will fuck you over sometimes.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblebadman
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/14/06
Posts: 4,039
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: m00nshine]
    #12593932 - 05/19/10 06:33 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I would not use the pillow case method it blows and is messy.
Use the
:harhar:
tek.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleShea25
Just some guy
Male


Registered: 01/27/09
Posts: 7,772
Loc: Westcoast Canada Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Bentley]
    #12593954 - 05/19/10 06:37 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblebadman
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/14/06
Posts: 4,039
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Shea25]
    #12594041 - 05/19/10 06:53 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

AKA the
:rr:
tek

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleShea25
Just some guy
Male


Registered: 01/27/09
Posts: 7,772
Loc: Westcoast Canada Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: badman]
    #12594086 - 05/19/10 07:01 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

badman said:
AKA the
:rr:
tek




Yes, as you already stated

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBentley
 User Gallery


Registered: 01/25/10
Posts: 717
Last seen: 2 years, 14 days
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Shea25]
    #12594196 - 05/19/10 07:21 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Well, I can't buy a thermometer right now and I needed to take care of this tonight. Also, all my jars are being occupied right now. Would letting my water boil then throwing it in there and turning off the heat pasteurize it? Putting the lid on would keep the temps pretty high but not sterilizing it. Damion's tek for coir seems to work well, its the same thing but with a pc. No?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleShea25
Just some guy
Male


Registered: 01/27/09
Posts: 7,772
Loc: Westcoast Canada Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Bentley]
    #12594233 - 05/19/10 07:25 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Bentley said:
Well, I can't buy a thermometer right now and I needed to take care of this tonight. Also, all my jars are being occupied right now. Would letting my water boil then throwing it in there and turning off the heat pasteurize it? Putting the lid on would keep the temps pretty high but not sterilizing it. Damion's tek for coir seems to work well, its the same thing but with a pc. No?





Coir and manure are 2 different things. Mold has a hard time germinating on coir you mainly pasteurize it to break it down and make it easier for the myc to consume so you could boil coir or do the jar method.

Manure has beneficial microbes and Bactria that are destroyed when you surpass the pasteurization temps

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineukshroomer
Law Abider


Registered: 11/08/09
Posts: 484
Loc: Netherlands
Last seen: 8 days, 21 hours
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Bentley]
    #12594280 - 05/19/10 07:33 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Ok. I would not use the pillow case method either. It is very messy and requires a lot of time for draining. Not to mention the moisture content might not be very accurate. A good way to pasteurize without a meat thermometer is to:

1. Load the substrate into glass jars (after hydrating).

2. Put them in your pressure cooker and add cold water until they are 2/3 submerged.

3. Turn on your stove to high.

4. Let the water boil for 10-15 minutes.

5. Shut off stove and cover pc.

6. Wait until the next day and spawn.

(This is more or less how RogerRabbit does it is in his teks and videos. I also like this method because you can use it to accurately calculate your spawn:bulksubstrate ratio in terms of volume which is very informative and convenient)

This method has been shown to work most of the time without a meat thermometer but you should consider getting one when you have the cash because it ensures that pasteurization temperature are achieved and it also has many other uses for around the home.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBentley
 User Gallery


Registered: 01/25/10
Posts: 717
Last seen: 2 years, 14 days
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Shea25]
    #12594309 - 05/19/10 07:38 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Ok, for instance, you don't have a thermometer nor an oven. If that was your only resort how would you try doing it? Again, hypothetically speaking.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineukshroomer
Law Abider


Registered: 11/08/09
Posts: 484
Loc: Netherlands
Last seen: 8 days, 21 hours
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Bentley]
    #12594361 - 05/19/10 07:48 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

do you have access to a stove?


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleShea25
Just some guy
Male


Registered: 01/27/09
Posts: 7,772
Loc: Westcoast Canada Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Bentley]
    #12594369 - 05/19/10 07:49 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Bentley said:
Ok, for instance, you don't have a thermometer nor an oven. If that was your only resort how would you try doing it? Again, hypothetically speaking.





There is no way if you have no way of knowing the temps

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBentley
 User Gallery


Registered: 01/25/10
Posts: 717
Last seen: 2 years, 14 days
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Shea25]
    #12594516 - 05/19/10 08:18 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Yes an electric stove top.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simmering

According to chefs, water simmers at 180 degrees. Should I go for a simmer? Maybe 40 minutes? Why 40, who knows.. :shrug:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleShea25
Just some guy
Male


Registered: 01/27/09
Posts: 7,772
Loc: Westcoast Canada Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Bentley]
    #12594525 - 05/19/10 08:21 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Bentley said:
Yes an electric stove top.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simmering

According to chefs, water simmers at 180 degrees. Should I go for a simmer? Maybe 40 minutes? Why 40, who knows.. :shrug:





I think you have to re read that link

The appropriate simmering temperature is a topic of debate among chefs, with some contending that a simmer is as low as 82°C (180°F).

you know that's to hot already  and that as low as chefs think simmering is

Edited by Shea25 (05/19/10 08:21 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineRogerRabbitM
Bans for Pleasure
Male User Gallery

Registered: 03/26/03
Posts: 42,214
Loc: Seattle
Last seen: 1 year, 10 months
Trusted Cultivator
OG Cultivator
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Bentley]
    #12594531 - 05/19/10 08:22 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Should I go for a simmer? Maybe 40 minutes? Why 40, who knows.




No, you should go to the store and pony up five bucks for a meat thermometer. 

Don't ask how to do something wrong, but rather how to do it right, which has already been posted above.
RR


--------------------
Download Let's Grow Mushrooms



semper in excretia sumus solim profundum variat

"I've never had a failed experiment.  I've only discovered 10,000 methods which do not work."
Thomas Edison

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBentley
 User Gallery


Registered: 01/25/10
Posts: 717
Last seen: 2 years, 14 days
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #12594606 - 05/19/10 08:34 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Well RR you said coir and manure have the same nutritional value, I guess that's my last resort. Coir/verm would lawn and garden lime be a substitute for gypsum? Or atleast have some nutritional value?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleShea25
Just some guy
Male


Registered: 01/27/09
Posts: 7,772
Loc: Westcoast Canada Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Bentley]
    #12594629 - 05/19/10 08:38 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Bentley said:
Well RR you said coir and manure have the same nutritional value, I guess that's my last resort. Coir/verm would lawn and garden lime be a substitute for gypsum? Or atleast have some nutritional value?





Gypsum is calcium sulfate It's alot different them Lime.

Do NOT use lime in your bulk grow it will increase the PH and myc likes a lower PH

Coir and Manure are both great, but you should always pasteurize manure or you will kill off beneficial microbes. Coir on the other hand is pasteurized to help break it down making easier for the myc 

Edited by Shea25 (05/19/10 08:41 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBentley
 User Gallery


Registered: 01/25/10
Posts: 717
Last seen: 2 years, 14 days
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Shea25]
    #12594724 - 05/19/10 08:59 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks Shea! How does a coir/verm sub sound?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinehamloafM
Q-dood ®©™√
Male User Gallery

Registered: 12/23/09
Posts: 24,389
Loc: ation: Based.
Last seen: 1 day, 3 hours
Trusted Cultivator
OG Cultivator
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Shea25]
    #12594726 - 05/19/10 08:59 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Shea25 said:
Quote:

Bentley said:
Well RR you said coir and manure have the same nutritional value, I guess that's my last resort. Coir/verm would lawn and garden lime be a substitute for gypsum? Or atleast have some nutritional value?



Gypsum is calcium sulfate It's alot different them Lime.



Hydrated lime is calcium carbonate.



--------------------
     
How I Get Stuff done. - My Reference Guide. - My Grows.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleShea25
Just some guy
Male


Registered: 01/27/09
Posts: 7,772
Loc: Westcoast Canada Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: hamloaf]
    #12594731 - 05/19/10 09:01 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

hamloaf said:
Quote:

Shea25 said:
Quote:

Bentley said:
Well RR you said coir and manure have the same nutritional value, I guess that's my last resort. Coir/verm would lawn and garden lime be a substitute for gypsum? Or atleast have some nutritional value?



Gypsum is calcium sulfate It's alot different them Lime.



Hydrated lime is calcium carbonate.







No its not

hydrated lime is Calcium hydroxide

Calcium carbonate is in oyster shells pearls egg shells

Edited by Shea25 (05/19/10 09:02 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinehamloafM
Q-dood ®©™√
Male User Gallery

Registered: 12/23/09
Posts: 24,389
Loc: ation: Based.
Last seen: 1 day, 3 hours
Trusted Cultivator
OG Cultivator
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Bentley]
    #12594735 - 05/19/10 09:02 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Bentley said:
Thanks Shea! How does a coir/verm sub sound?



If you don't mind me chiming in, coir/verm is excellent.
Add gypsum at 10 perctent to your coir/verm.:thumbup:


--------------------
     
How I Get Stuff done. - My Reference Guide. - My Grows.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleShea25
Just some guy
Male


Registered: 01/27/09
Posts: 7,772
Loc: Westcoast Canada Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Shea25]
    #12594742 - 05/19/10 09:03 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Calcium carbonate Caco3 is heated up to 900C for a few hours that drives off the co2 turning it into Calcium oxide, they add that to water and wait till the water evaporates now you have Calcium hydroxide

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleShea25
Just some guy
Male


Registered: 01/27/09
Posts: 7,772
Loc: Westcoast Canada Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Bentley]
    #12594746 - 05/19/10 09:04 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Bentley said:
Thanks Shea! How does a coir/verm sub sound?





Sounds great if you can find gypsum use it

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinehamloafM
Q-dood ®©™√
Male User Gallery

Registered: 12/23/09
Posts: 24,389
Loc: ation: Based.
Last seen: 1 day, 3 hours
Trusted Cultivator
OG Cultivator
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Shea25]
    #12594750 - 05/19/10 09:05 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Shea25 said:
Quote:

hamloaf said:
Quote:

Shea25 said:
Quote:

Bentley said:
Well RR you said coir and manure have the same nutritional value, I guess that's my last resort. Coir/verm would lawn and garden lime be a substitute for gypsum? Or atleast have some nutritional value?



Gypsum is calcium sulfate It's alot different them Lime.



Hydrated lime is calcium carbonate.







No its not

hydrated lime is Calcium hydroxide

Calcium carbonate is in oyster shells pearls egg shells



You are are correct.
My fault I had it crossed between Crushed oyster shells


--------------------
     
How I Get Stuff done. - My Reference Guide. - My Grows.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBentley
 User Gallery


Registered: 01/25/10
Posts: 717
Last seen: 2 years, 14 days
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Shea25]
    #12594801 - 05/19/10 09:15 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

This is a small portion on the back of the "Lawn and garden lime" bag.




I also have no gypsum.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleShea25
Just some guy
Male


Registered: 01/27/09
Posts: 7,772
Loc: Westcoast Canada Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Bentley]
    #12594805 - 05/19/10 09:17 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Bentley said:
This is a small portion on the back of the "Lawn and garden lime" bag.




I also have no gypsum.





Dont use lime period in bulk

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinehamloafM
Q-dood ®©™√
Male User Gallery

Registered: 12/23/09
Posts: 24,389
Loc: ation: Based.
Last seen: 1 day, 3 hours
Trusted Cultivator
OG Cultivator
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Bentley]
    #12594825 - 05/19/10 09:21 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Lime and oyster shells are used in casings.
http://www.shroomery.org/54/50-50-Casing-Tek


--------------------
     
How I Get Stuff done. - My Reference Guide. - My Grows.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBentley
 User Gallery


Registered: 01/25/10
Posts: 717
Last seen: 2 years, 14 days
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: hamloaf]
    #12594858 - 05/19/10 09:28 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Being that its 90% Calcium Carbonate or at least equivalent too, why not? Just out of curiosity.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleShea25
Just some guy
Male


Registered: 01/27/09
Posts: 7,772
Loc: Westcoast Canada Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Bentley]
    #12594870 - 05/19/10 09:31 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Bentley said:
Being that its 90% Calcium Carbonate or at least equivalent too, why not? Just out of curiosity.





Because hydrated lime and Calcium carbonate are used to lower the PH of casing to a alkaline state thats all. Myc does not like alkaline 


Gypsum is used to increase your overall fruiting performance without changing the PH

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBentley
 User Gallery


Registered: 01/25/10
Posts: 717
Last seen: 2 years, 14 days
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Shea25]
    #12595006 - 05/19/10 09:53 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

There is gypsum at my local ACE, but its in the plaster and cement mix section. I was told its supposed to be in the garden area. I don't know if its the same thing :shrug:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleShea25
Just some guy
Male


Registered: 01/27/09
Posts: 7,772
Loc: Westcoast Canada Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Bentley]
    #12595019 - 05/19/10 09:56 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Bentley said:
There is gypsum at my local ACE, but its in the plaster and cement mix section. I was told its supposed to be in the garden area. I don't know if its the same thing :shrug:





Gypsum from plaster of paris is fine just spread it out and let it dry then use

Edited by Shea25 (05/19/10 10:11 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBentley
 User Gallery


Registered: 01/25/10
Posts: 717
Last seen: 2 years, 14 days
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Shea25]
    #12595093 - 05/19/10 10:10 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

When you say fry, you mean?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleShea25
Just some guy
Male


Registered: 01/27/09
Posts: 7,772
Loc: Westcoast Canada Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Bentley]
    #12595100 - 05/19/10 10:11 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Dry it was a typo

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineRogerRabbitM
Bans for Pleasure
Male User Gallery

Registered: 03/26/03
Posts: 42,214
Loc: Seattle
Last seen: 1 year, 10 months
Trusted Cultivator
OG Cultivator
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Bentley]
    #12595122 - 05/19/10 10:16 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Bentley said:
This is a small portion on the back of the "Lawn and garden lime" bag.








The search engine here is your friend.  It's been posted hundreds of times to stay below 2% Mg when using lime, and that's why 'garden lime' is not used in CASING LAYERS.  It's not used at all in substrates.  Use gypsum at up to ten percent by volume, but in reality 5% or even a tad less results in darned good performance.  I've dropped down to 3% gypsum by volume in my sawdust blocks and there was no decrease in performance. 
RR


--------------------
Download Let's Grow Mushrooms



semper in excretia sumus solim profundum variat

"I've never had a failed experiment.  I've only discovered 10,000 methods which do not work."
Thomas Edison

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinehamloafM
Q-dood ®©™√
Male User Gallery

Registered: 12/23/09
Posts: 24,389
Loc: ation: Based.
Last seen: 1 day, 3 hours
Trusted Cultivator
OG Cultivator
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #12596499 - 05/20/10 06:36 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

RogerRabbit said:
'garden lime' is not used in CASING LAYERS.  It's not used at all in substrates.   
RR



RR. This is a contradiction.
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Casing-Layer-Preparation

You also recommended hydrated lime in your Straw Pasteurization video to control PH swings in your straw substrates but you have cut that out of your sample clips. I am not a stranger to cowpoo/straw and the pillow case tek
http://www.shroomery.org/5213/What-is-a-good-way-to-pasteurize-straw-and-dung
and was gonna combine the way you pasteurize your straw and your horse manure for my next straw dung substrate and inoculate with yellow oyster rye grain spawn in a laundry basket. I don't like the pillow case tek because you so obviously bleed out all those beneficials.

I have used this casing recipe a few times.
http://www.shroomery.org/54/50-50-Casing-Tek

So which methods do you ultimately prefer?
What are you currently using that gives you the most success?

Quote:

RogerRabbit said:
Use gypsum at up to ten percent by volume, but in reality 5% or even a tad less results in darned good performance.  I've dropped down to 3% gypsum by volume in my sawdust blocks and there was no decrease in performance. 
RR



This is intriguing.  :strokebeard:


--------------------
     
How I Get Stuff done. - My Reference Guide. - My Grows.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblewhyblameus
on a mission
Male User Gallery


Registered: 06/02/09
Posts: 11,440
Loc: Ca,Ga,Id wanna trade LOL Flag
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: hamloaf]
    #12596539 - 05/20/10 07:00 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

hamloaf said:
I don't like the pillow case tek because you so obviously bleed out all those beneficials.





use that water to soak your grain in.
and give your straw a presoak in it before mixing with the the manure.
you can use it as the water for pf cakes.
you could pasteurize a brick of coir with a gallon of it boiled.

whatever you do dont waist it.:tongue:

i like the pillowcase method but i just put it in a bucket with boiling water and weight it down then put the lid and leave it for 2 hours.

i like easy:grin:


--------------------
if you dont got no one to hate on feel free to hate on me!:tongue:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinehamloafM
Q-dood ®©™√
Male User Gallery

Registered: 12/23/09
Posts: 24,389
Loc: ation: Based.
Last seen: 1 day, 3 hours
Trusted Cultivator
OG Cultivator
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: whyblameus]
    #12596588 - 05/20/10 07:20 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I agree with all of what you are saying and have considered it as well except for the rye soak. I like that but I figure, why bleed out, why blame us, lol all those beneficials if you don't have to. Keeping all those beneficials in your substrate for your fruiting bodies to feed upon, to me, is superior. I also agree the pillow case method is a snap. Although, I don't mind the extra work or steps it takes to do things the very best of ways. I am a worker.


--------------------
     
How I Get Stuff done. - My Reference Guide. - My Grows.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblewhyblameus
on a mission
Male User Gallery


Registered: 06/02/09
Posts: 11,440
Loc: Ca,Ga,Id wanna trade LOL Flag
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: hamloaf]
    #12596618 - 05/20/10 07:34 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

i got a room with 30 monos in it i dont need any extra work.:tongue2:

and dont give me this :picdidnthappen:

cause i left my camera in my friends car last weekend when i was drunk:facepalm::lmafo:


--------------------
if you dont got no one to hate on feel free to hate on me!:tongue:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBentley
 User Gallery


Registered: 01/25/10
Posts: 717
Last seen: 2 years, 14 days
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: whyblameus]
    #12596689 - 05/20/10 07:57 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I waited, Ill be picking up a thermometer today and some gypsum. I'm still not sure what you mean by lay it out and dry. It comes powdered, is there a process I need to do? I can't find garden gypsum anywhere. Ill be doing a manure/coir/verm/gyp. For some reason manure tickles my pickle. :datass:

I also use the search function most of the time, but there are so many mixed opinions on that matter I had to bring it up.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDoc_T
Random Dude
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/06/09
Posts: 42,395
Loc: Colorado Flag
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Bentley]
    #12596702 - 05/20/10 08:01 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Get gypsum at the local garden shop, the big box stores won't have it.


--------------------
You make it all possible. Doesn't it feel good?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinehamloafM
Q-dood ®©™√
Male User Gallery

Registered: 12/23/09
Posts: 24,389
Loc: ation: Based.
Last seen: 1 day, 3 hours
Trusted Cultivator
OG Cultivator
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: whyblameus]
    #12596713 - 05/20/10 08:04 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

whyblameus said:
i got a room with 30 monos in it i dont need any extra work.:tongue2:

and dont give me this :picdidnthappen:

cause i left my camera in my friends car last weekend when i was drunk:facepalm::lmafo:



You ain't got no camera so it's;
Fishin' stories!

Just kidding. I am not really sure as to your correlation with 30 monotubs and extra work. One thing I can say for sure is, why would you, why blame us, go bragging on an internet forum about 30 monotubs?


--------------------
     
How I Get Stuff done. - My Reference Guide. - My Grows.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinehamloafM
Q-dood ®©™√
Male User Gallery

Registered: 12/23/09
Posts: 24,389
Loc: ation: Based.
Last seen: 1 day, 3 hours
Trusted Cultivator
OG Cultivator
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Bentley]
    #12596718 - 05/20/10 08:07 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Bentley said:
For some reason manure tickles my pickle. :datass:




Because manure is the king of substrates.
Horse manure is the king of manures.


--------------------
     
How I Get Stuff done. - My Reference Guide. - My Grows.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBentley
 User Gallery


Registered: 01/25/10
Posts: 717
Last seen: 2 years, 14 days
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: hamloaf]
    #12596729 - 05/20/10 08:11 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Doc, I live in the city. I have checked locally with no luck.

Ham, it sure is.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblewhyblameus
on a mission
Male User Gallery


Registered: 06/02/09
Posts: 11,440
Loc: Ca,Ga,Id wanna trade LOL Flag
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: hamloaf]
    #12596747 - 05/20/10 08:19 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

I am not really sure as to your correlation with 30 monotubs and extra work.


extra work as in to pasteurize each sub in a bag on the stove and watch the temp the hole time.instead of putting it in a bucket for 2 hours and coming back.

Quote:

One thing I can say for sure is, why would you, why blame us, go bragging on an internet forum about 30 monotubs?




cause i dont care:lmafo:

:seriousbusiness:


:agentgtfo:

:gameover:

:albundy:



:laugh2:


--------------------
if you dont got no one to hate on feel free to hate on me!:tongue:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblewhyblameus
on a mission
Male User Gallery


Registered: 06/02/09
Posts: 11,440
Loc: Ca,Ga,Id wanna trade LOL Flag
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Bentley]
    #12596750 - 05/20/10 08:22 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Bentley said:
Doc, I live in the city. I have checked locally with no luck.

Ham, it sure is.




calci sand from the pet store.

its right next to the coir at the petco i go to.

thats what i been using.:thumbup:


--------------------
if you dont got no one to hate on feel free to hate on me!:tongue:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBentley
 User Gallery


Registered: 01/25/10
Posts: 717
Last seen: 2 years, 14 days
Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: whyblameus]
    #12596869 - 05/20/10 09:02 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

That's awesome whyblameus! Ill be passing by Pet Supermarket to check it out. First person to tell me I can get it at a pet supply. Thanks!

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1 | 2 | 3  [ show all ]

Shop: OlympusMyco.com No Unicorns Here—Just Quality Bags That Work   Mushroom-Hut Grow Bags   MagicBag.co Certified Organic All-In-One Grow Bags   North Spore Bulk Substrate   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Bridgetown Botanicals CBD Concentrates   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   PhytoExtractum Kratom Powder for Sale


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Casing w/Cow Manure-Easy Step by Step Directions Sporz 2,648 2 05/20/02 02:34 PM
by lithiumcove
* Sprinkling manure on my casing. ShroomyMcPot 978 6 05/05/04 06:46 PM
by Mykey
* store bought cow manure: a few questions RedHead 2,471 3 02/13/02 01:16 PM
by RedHead
* manure/ compost indkebr 736 2 08/23/02 01:52 PM
by mickey_rourke
* Dehydrated Cow Manure? Anonymous 2,276 11 07/19/03 10:46 AM
by dog
* PC question AKA PC 1,389 5 04/08/03 11:33 PM
by AKA PC
* Which method of pasteurization do you experts recommend? Nickster_154371 1,643 11 05/06/04 12:28 AM
by t3knology
* whom to believe on subject pasteurization??? nimbus 1,244 9 04/29/04 05:32 AM
by MESCALATO

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Shroomism, george castanza, RogerRabbit, veggie, mushboy, fahtster, LogicaL Chaos, 13shrooms, hamloaf, cronicr, Stipe-n Cap, Pastywhyte, bodhisatta, Tormato, Land Trout, A.k.a
2,425 topic views. 19 members, 61 guests and 21 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2025 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.056 seconds spending 0.006 seconds on 12 queries.