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Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Shea25]
    #12594724 - 05/19/10 08:59 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks Shea! How does a coir/verm sub sound?

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Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Shea25]
    #12594726 - 05/19/10 08:59 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Well RR you said coir and manure have the same nutritional value, I guess that's my last resort. Coir/verm would lawn and garden lime be a substitute for gypsum? Or atleast have some nutritional value?



Gypsum is calcium sulfate It's alot different them Lime.



Hydrated lime is calcium carbonate.



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Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: hamloaf]
    #12594731 - 05/19/10 09:01 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Well RR you said coir and manure have the same nutritional value, I guess that's my last resort. Coir/verm would lawn and garden lime be a substitute for gypsum? Or atleast have some nutritional value?



Gypsum is calcium sulfate It's alot different them Lime.



Hydrated lime is calcium carbonate.







No its not

hydrated lime is Calcium hydroxide

Calcium carbonate is in oyster shells pearls egg shells

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Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Bentley]
    #12594735 - 05/19/10 09:02 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Thanks Shea! How does a coir/verm sub sound?



If you don't mind me chiming in, coir/verm is excellent.
Add gypsum at 10 perctent to your coir/verm.:thumbup:


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Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Shea25]
    #12594742 - 05/19/10 09:03 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Calcium carbonate Caco3 is heated up to 900C for a few hours that drives off the co2 turning it into Calcium oxide, they add that to water and wait till the water evaporates now you have Calcium hydroxide

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Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Bentley]
    #12594746 - 05/19/10 09:04 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Thanks Shea! How does a coir/verm sub sound?





Sounds great if you can find gypsum use it

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Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Shea25]
    #12594750 - 05/19/10 09:05 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Well RR you said coir and manure have the same nutritional value, I guess that's my last resort. Coir/verm would lawn and garden lime be a substitute for gypsum? Or atleast have some nutritional value?



Gypsum is calcium sulfate It's alot different them Lime.



Hydrated lime is calcium carbonate.







No its not

hydrated lime is Calcium hydroxide

Calcium carbonate is in oyster shells pearls egg shells



You are are correct.
My fault I had it crossed between Crushed oyster shells


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Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Shea25]
    #12594801 - 05/19/10 09:15 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

This is a small portion on the back of the "Lawn and garden lime" bag.




I also have no gypsum.

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Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Bentley]
    #12594805 - 05/19/10 09:17 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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This is a small portion on the back of the "Lawn and garden lime" bag.




I also have no gypsum.





Dont use lime period in bulk

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Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Bentley]
    #12594825 - 05/19/10 09:21 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Lime and oyster shells are used in casings.
http://www.shroomery.org/54/50-50-Casing-Tek


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Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: hamloaf]
    #12594858 - 05/19/10 09:28 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Being that its 90% Calcium Carbonate or at least equivalent too, why not? Just out of curiosity.

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Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Bentley]
    #12594870 - 05/19/10 09:31 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Being that its 90% Calcium Carbonate or at least equivalent too, why not? Just out of curiosity.





Because hydrated lime and Calcium carbonate are used to lower the PH of casing to a alkaline state thats all. Myc does not like alkaline 


Gypsum is used to increase your overall fruiting performance without changing the PH

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Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Shea25]
    #12595006 - 05/19/10 09:53 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

There is gypsum at my local ACE, but its in the plaster and cement mix section. I was told its supposed to be in the garden area. I don't know if its the same thing :shrug:

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Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Bentley]
    #12595019 - 05/19/10 09:56 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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There is gypsum at my local ACE, but its in the plaster and cement mix section. I was told its supposed to be in the garden area. I don't know if its the same thing :shrug:





Gypsum from plaster of paris is fine just spread it out and let it dry then use

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Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Shea25]
    #12595093 - 05/19/10 10:10 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

When you say fry, you mean?

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Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Bentley]
    #12595100 - 05/19/10 10:11 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Dry it was a typo

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Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Bentley]
    #12595122 - 05/19/10 10:16 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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This is a small portion on the back of the "Lawn and garden lime" bag.








The search engine here is your friend.  It's been posted hundreds of times to stay below 2% Mg when using lime, and that's why 'garden lime' is not used in CASING LAYERS.  It's not used at all in substrates.  Use gypsum at up to ten percent by volume, but in reality 5% or even a tad less results in darned good performance.  I've dropped down to 3% gypsum by volume in my sawdust blocks and there was no decrease in performance. 
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Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #12596499 - 05/20/10 06:36 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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'garden lime' is not used in CASING LAYERS.  It's not used at all in substrates.   
RR



RR. This is a contradiction.
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Casing-Layer-Preparation

You also recommended hydrated lime in your Straw Pasteurization video to control PH swings in your straw substrates but you have cut that out of your sample clips. I am not a stranger to cowpoo/straw and the pillow case tek
http://www.shroomery.org/5213/What-is-a-good-way-to-pasteurize-straw-and-dung
and was gonna combine the way you pasteurize your straw and your horse manure for my next straw dung substrate and inoculate with yellow oyster rye grain spawn in a laundry basket. I don't like the pillow case tek because you so obviously bleed out all those beneficials.

I have used this casing recipe a few times.
http://www.shroomery.org/54/50-50-Casing-Tek

So which methods do you ultimately prefer?
What are you currently using that gives you the most success?

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Use gypsum at up to ten percent by volume, but in reality 5% or even a tad less results in darned good performance.  I've dropped down to 3% gypsum by volume in my sawdust blocks and there was no decrease in performance. 
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This is intriguing.  :strokebeard:


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Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: hamloaf]
    #12596539 - 05/20/10 07:00 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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I don't like the pillow case tek because you so obviously bleed out all those beneficials.





use that water to soak your grain in.
and give your straw a presoak in it before mixing with the the manure.
you can use it as the water for pf cakes.
you could pasteurize a brick of coir with a gallon of it boiled.

whatever you do dont waist it.:tongue:

i like the pillowcase method but i just put it in a bucket with boiling water and weight it down then put the lid and leave it for 2 hours.

i like easy:grin:


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Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: whyblameus]
    #12596588 - 05/20/10 07:20 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I agree with all of what you are saying and have considered it as well except for the rye soak. I like that but I figure, why bleed out, why blame us, lol all those beneficials if you don't have to. Keeping all those beneficials in your substrate for your fruiting bodies to feed upon, to me, is superior. I also agree the pillow case method is a snap. Although, I don't mind the extra work or steps it takes to do things the very best of ways. I am a worker.


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