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Bentley



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Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow.
#12593786 - 05/19/10 06:06 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't have a thermometer so I can't measure the temp, would it be a problem if I throw it in a pot and let it simmer for 60 minutes or so? With some coir and verm? Thanks!
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Shea25
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Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Bentley]
#12593794 - 05/19/10 06:07 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bentley said: I don't have a thermometer so I can't measure the temp, would it be a problem if I throw it in a pot and let it simmer for 60 minutes or so? With some coir and verm? Thanks!
Im sure that would exceed the pasteurization temps, just buy a meat thermometer
Going past the pasteurization temps will increase your contam rate
Edited by Shea25 (05/19/10 08:24 PM)
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Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Shea25]
#12593830 - 05/19/10 06:16 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Compared toQuote:
Shea25 said:
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Bentley said: I don't have a thermometer so I can't measure the temp, would it be a problem if I throw it in a pot and let it simmer for 60 minutes or so? With some coir and verm? Thanks!
Im sure that would exceed the pasteurization temps, just by a meat thermometer
Going past the pasteurization temps will increase your contam rate
Compared to what?
No pastuerization at all?
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Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: teknix]
#12593854 - 05/19/10 06:20 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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teknix said: Compared toQuote:
Shea25 said:
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Bentley said: I don't have a thermometer so I can't measure the temp, would it be a problem if I throw it in a pot and let it simmer for 60 minutes or so? With some coir and verm? Thanks!
Im sure that would exceed the pasteurization temps, just by a meat thermometer
Going past the pasteurization temps will increase your contam rate
Compared to what?
No pastuerization at all?
Compared to properly pasteurizing it, or not forking out 4 bucks to get a meat thermometer, and not pasteurizing at all
Edited by Shea25 (05/19/10 06:20 PM)
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Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Shea25]
#12593911 - 05/19/10 06:29 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes, get a meat thermometer. It's only like $10. And get a pillowcase, too, it just makes it easier, and you can actually do it correctly IME going over the recommended temps will fuck you over sometimes.
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Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: m00nshine]
#12593932 - 05/19/10 06:33 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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I would not use the pillow case method it blows and is messy. Use the
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Shea25
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Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Bentley]
#12593954 - 05/19/10 06:37 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Shea25]
#12594041 - 05/19/10 06:53 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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AKA the
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Shea25
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Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: badman]
#12594086 - 05/19/10 07:01 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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badman said: AKA the
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Yes, as you already stated
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Bentley



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Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Shea25]
#12594196 - 05/19/10 07:21 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, I can't buy a thermometer right now and I needed to take care of this tonight. Also, all my jars are being occupied right now. Would letting my water boil then throwing it in there and turning off the heat pasteurize it? Putting the lid on would keep the temps pretty high but not sterilizing it. Damion's tek for coir seems to work well, its the same thing but with a pc. No?
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Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Bentley]
#12594233 - 05/19/10 07:25 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bentley said: Well, I can't buy a thermometer right now and I needed to take care of this tonight. Also, all my jars are being occupied right now. Would letting my water boil then throwing it in there and turning off the heat pasteurize it? Putting the lid on would keep the temps pretty high but not sterilizing it. Damion's tek for coir seems to work well, its the same thing but with a pc. No?
Coir and manure are 2 different things. Mold has a hard time germinating on coir you mainly pasteurize it to break it down and make it easier for the myc to consume so you could boil coir or do the jar method.
Manure has beneficial microbes and Bactria that are destroyed when you surpass the pasteurization temps
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Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Bentley]
#12594280 - 05/19/10 07:33 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok. I would not use the pillow case method either. It is very messy and requires a lot of time for draining. Not to mention the moisture content might not be very accurate. A good way to pasteurize without a meat thermometer is to:
1. Load the substrate into glass jars (after hydrating).
2. Put them in your pressure cooker and add cold water until they are 2/3 submerged.
3. Turn on your stove to high.
4. Let the water boil for 10-15 minutes.
5. Shut off stove and cover pc.
6. Wait until the next day and spawn.
(This is more or less how RogerRabbit does it is in his teks and videos. I also like this method because you can use it to accurately calculate your spawn:bulksubstrate ratio in terms of volume which is very informative and convenient)
This method has been shown to work most of the time without a meat thermometer but you should consider getting one when you have the cash because it ensures that pasteurization temperature are achieved and it also has many other uses for around the home.
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Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Shea25]
#12594309 - 05/19/10 07:38 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok, for instance, you don't have a thermometer nor an oven. If that was your only resort how would you try doing it? Again, hypothetically speaking.
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Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Bentley]
#12594361 - 05/19/10 07:48 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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do you have access to a stove?
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Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Bentley]
#12594369 - 05/19/10 07:49 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bentley said: Ok, for instance, you don't have a thermometer nor an oven. If that was your only resort how would you try doing it? Again, hypothetically speaking.
There is no way if you have no way of knowing the temps
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Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Shea25]
#12594516 - 05/19/10 08:18 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes an electric stove top.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simmering
According to chefs, water simmers at 180 degrees. Should I go for a simmer? Maybe 40 minutes? Why 40, who knows..
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Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Bentley]
#12594525 - 05/19/10 08:21 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bentley said: Yes an electric stove top.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simmering
According to chefs, water simmers at 180 degrees. Should I go for a simmer? Maybe 40 minutes? Why 40, who knows.. 
I think you have to re read that link
The appropriate simmering temperature is a topic of debate among chefs, with some contending that a simmer is as low as 82°C (180°F).
you know that's to hot already and that as low as chefs think simmering is
Edited by Shea25 (05/19/10 08:21 PM)
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Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Bentley]
#12594531 - 05/19/10 08:22 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Should I go for a simmer? Maybe 40 minutes? Why 40, who knows.
No, you should go to the store and pony up five bucks for a meat thermometer.
Don't ask how to do something wrong, but rather how to do it right, which has already been posted above. RR
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Bentley



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Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: RogerRabbit]
#12594606 - 05/19/10 08:34 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well RR you said coir and manure have the same nutritional value, I guess that's my last resort. Coir/verm would lawn and garden lime be a substitute for gypsum? Or atleast have some nutritional value?
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Re: Can manure be pasteurized in a pc? no pillow. [Re: Bentley]
#12594629 - 05/19/10 08:38 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bentley said: Well RR you said coir and manure have the same nutritional value, I guess that's my last resort. Coir/verm would lawn and garden lime be a substitute for gypsum? Or atleast have some nutritional value?
Gypsum is calcium sulfate It's alot different them Lime.
Do NOT use lime in your bulk grow it will increase the PH and myc likes a lower PH
Coir and Manure are both great, but you should always pasteurize manure or you will kill off beneficial microbes. Coir on the other hand is pasteurized to help break it down making easier for the myc
Edited by Shea25 (05/19/10 08:41 PM)
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