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Offlinebaron_samedi
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Bulk substrate/casing recipies??? *DELETED*
    #12592844 - 05/19/10 03:18 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Bulk substrate/casing recipies??? [Re: baron_samedi]
    #12592866 - 05/19/10 03:23 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

i just case with miracle grow cactus soil. works great.


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Re: Bulk substrate/casing recipies??? [Re: baron_samedi]
    #12592877 - 05/19/10 03:25 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Try this--it's popular and works well:

1 brick coir

2 qt verm

1 qt spent coffee

1-1.5 qt gypsum

Water to feild capacity ~4.5 qts 


These days a casing refers to a mostly non-nutritive layer on top of your substrate that help retain moisture.

If your looking for a casing recipe--look up 50/50+ in the search engine.  Basically half verm, half peat moss, with added lime.


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Re: Bulk substrate/casing recipies??? *DELETED* [Re: Dharmatripper]
    #12593014 - 05/19/10 03:49 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Bulk substrate/casing recipies??? [Re: baron_samedi]
    #12593031 - 05/19/10 03:52 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

where is here? r u in the states?
i have a helluva time finding verm anymore so i just get cactus soil. its a pre-mix of peat moss and verm.


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Re: Bulk substrate/casing recipies??? [Re: baron_samedi]
    #12593086 - 05/19/10 04:02 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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deladude said:
where is here? r u in the states?
i have a helluva time finding verm anymore so i just get cactus soil. its a pre-mix of peat moss and verm.




That's funny you mention you use cactus soil. I remember back in 02 when I first signed onto this forum I told people that I used cactus soil, though mine was schultz brand I think. Anyhow, most people if not all of them doubted it's effectiveness. I always had good luck with it. I don't use casings anymore though.


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So I am not really sure what is called a casing anymore but how I have done it was to cover colonized grains with 2 layers of coco choir like a mycelium sand which that's what I refer to as a casing my question is does anyone have any good casing recipes including the following coco choir garden lime and garden gypsum????

Thanks




To the OP, check out this link....valuable teks....there's a link on that thread to every possible tek and recipe you can think of.


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Re: Bulk substrate/casing recipies??? [Re: deladude]
    #12593110 - 05/19/10 04:06 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

You're getting substrate and casing mixed up they're seperate.  You should mix the gypsum with the coir, and then mix in your colonized grains.  Then you want to cover the whole thing with a thin casing layer and let it colonize, you should be able to find verm and/or peat moss (but then I think you need to buffer with lime or something if you use the pm) check out hardware stores like home depot/loews, or any garden shop should have some or you can always order it online.

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Re: Bulk substrate/casing recipies??? [Re: StainBlue]
    #12593527 - 05/19/10 05:13 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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deladude said:
where is here? r u in the states?
i have a helluva time finding verm anymore so i just get cactus soil. its a pre-mix of peat moss and verm.




That's funny you mention you use cactus soil. I remember back in 02 when I first signed onto this forum I told people that I used cactus soil, though mine was schultz brand I think. Anyhow, most people if not all of them doubted it's effectiveness. I always had good luck with it. I don't use casings anymore though.


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baron_samedi said:
So I am not really sure what is called a casing anymore but how I have done it was to cover colonized grains with 2 layers of coco choir like a mycelium sand which that's what I refer to as a casing my question is does anyone have any good casing recipes including the following coco choir garden lime and garden gypsum????

Thanks




To the OP, check out this link....valuable teks....there's a link on that thread to every possible tek and recipe you can think of.




yeah i love cactus soil. i don't use casings when i use mono's but when i cram a martha full i case. for some reason if i go uncased in a martha the surface dries out b4 it can pin.

i used to be able to get bags of verm that were sooooo big that a single bag was difficult to get into my trunk. they were only like 15 bucks a piece too. now i cant find it anywhere. every place within 200 miles of me has stopped carrying verm and tries to tell me perlite is the same thing. totaly sux balls!


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Re: Bulk substrate/casing recipies??? *DELETED* [Re: deladude]
    #12596230 - 05/20/10 03:34 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Bulk substrate/casing recipies??? [Re: baron_samedi]
    #12596265 - 05/20/10 04:15 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I wanna try peat moss and calcium carbonate.

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Re: Bulk substrate/casing recipies??? [Re: Enlightenedwon]
    #12596292 - 05/20/10 04:49 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

that sounds cool too maybe ill do some with gypsum and some with calcium carbonate on my next grow


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Re: Bulk substrate/casing recipies??? [Re: baron_samedi]
    #12600552 - 05/20/10 08:02 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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that is exactly what they told me and then my friend who worked at the shop told me that everyone had to pull them off the shelf according to this new scare that verm can cause cysticfribrosis...but i cant find cactus soil either so i have to make my own mix i think i might have a winner after reading most of the day I have come up with a mix

2c coco choir
1/4c spent coffee 
1/8c gypsum

whaddaya think?



i wouldnt use coffee in the casing. coffee will contam like a mofo unless its in the sub and colonized


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Re: Bulk substrate/casing recipies??? [Re: deladude]
    #12601328 - 05/20/10 10:19 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

i understand that but i am very blessed to have hospital grade sterilization areas but i see where your going with that maybe ill use that as my bulk mix and just case with the choir and lime???


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Re: Bulk substrate/casing recipies??? [Re: baron_samedi]
    #12601380 - 05/20/10 10:35 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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You're getting substrate and casing mixed up they're seperate.  You should mix the gypsum with the coir, and then mix in your colonized grains.  Then you want to cover the whole thing with a thin casing layer and let it colonize, you should be able to find verm and/or peat moss (but then I think you need to buffer with lime or something if you use the pm) check out hardware stores like home depot/loews, or any garden shop should have some or you can always order it online.



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they do not sell verm here anymore for fear of cystic fibrosis...i have just been using the coco choir but i have read that gypsum or calcium carbonate will improve yield but I'm not sure about the measurements and what is best... and the choir I get comes in a block that's like 12"x12"x4" as for the miracle grow i am trying to replicate the jiffy mix cause we dont get that either i know it has both gypsum and lime in it but like i said i dont know the qty... i will add the coffee tho that sounds cool

Thanks



cystic fibrosis from verm ??  i dont think so..
CF is not contagious and is strictly genetic. HomeDepot still sells Vermiculite
i just bought some there and its certified asbestos free
verm is safe to use


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Re: Bulk substrate/casing recipes??? [Re: eLShaMukO]
    #12601561 - 05/20/10 11:05 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Well no where sells it here i have been everywhere i may have my diseases mixed up but the one you get from asbestos inhalation i know you said asbestos free that is just the excuse i was given but the fact of the matter is that there is none to be found here and its not a very big place... i am just ready to look for an alternative rather than try to ship it in and choir has been working so far but i know it can be improved on and I'm just wondering if anyone has any experience with excluding verm...


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Re: Bulk substrate/casing recipes??? [Re: baron_samedi]
    #12601617 - 05/20/10 11:14 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

oh hells yeah! i have had some of my best flushes uncased


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Re: Bulk substrate/casing recipes??? [Re: baron_samedi]
    #12601685 - 05/20/10 11:29 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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baron_samedi said:
Well no where sells it here i have been everywhere i may have my diseases mixed up but the one you get from asbestos inhalation i know you said asbestos free that is just the excuse i was given but the fact of the matter is that there is none to be found here and its not a very big place... i am just ready to look for an alternative rather than try to ship it in and choir has been working so far but i know it can be improved on and I'm just wondering if anyone has any experience with excluding verm...




Peat (=Sphagnum Peat Moss)

Unconsolidated soil material consisting largely of undecomposed, or only slightly decomposed, organic matter accumulated under conditions of excessive moisture. Main ingredient of many casing formulations, its pH ranges from 3-4 (acidic), has to be brought to neutral or slightly basic (pH 7-8) by adding a buffer (limestone flour, calcium carbonate or oyster shells)

There are different kinds of peat, depending on its decomposition state. In mushroom cultivation mostly the darker varieties are used.

Vermiculite

Ingredient of the popular 50/50 casing mix, can also be used as the solely casing ingredient. The drawback of using pure vermiculite is that it's hard to tell the moisture of the casing by solely looking at it's surface, since the vermiculite stays more or less the same color despite its saturation level. Other materials, like peat or coco coir have a lighter color when they dry out.


Peat based potting soil

Can be used instead of peat, in this case one can use less limestone flour, since the pH of the soil is usually already around 5 - 6.


Coco coir

It has very good water retaining capabilities and can be used as a casing material either alone or in mix with peat and/or vermiculite.
Used in the 60/40 Vermiculite and Coco Coir Casing Tek.


On the left is expanded coco coir. On the right is coco fiber, which is NOT what you want!
Coco coir usually comes in compressed bricks each weighing a bit more than a pound. When water is added, it expends to a tenfold volume.

Limestone flour (Calcium carbonate, CaCO3, chalk (NOT blackboard chalk!)
Acts as a buffer agent in the casing formulation, rises the pH. Depending on the initial pH of the casing mix, 10 -20 vol% of limestone flour should be used. Limestone is the buffer agent used by the most cultivators. Also used as feed supplement for cows and horses.

http://www.google.com/search?q=limestone flour

Hydrated lime, Ca(OH)2
Also rises the pH but it's a much stronger base than limestone, therefore it should be used only in about 2/3rd of the amount compared to limestone. Generally limestone is preferred to hydrated lime. If you use hydrated lime make sure to measure the pH of your casing or you might end up with a much too high pH, the reason for many failures.
ATTENTION: Hydrated lime can cause irritation of the skin, even blindness, if it's in prolonged contact with eyes, so be careful when handling it.


Crushed oyster shell
Chemicaly mainly CaCO3, but its structure is much coarser than limestone flour therefore the immediate effect on the pH is not so strong. But it acts as a longtime buffer along with limestone, so it's a good idea to substitute a part of limestone with crushed oyster shells.
i found this , hope it can do something for you

search + documents + What different casing layer ingredients are there?= this. :smile:


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Re: Bulk substrate/casing recipes??? [Re: eLShaMukO]
    #12601826 - 05/21/10 12:02 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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so it's a good idea to substitute a part of limestone with crushed oyster shells.




No its not, oyster shells take some time to affect the PH

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Re: Bulk substrate/casing recipes??? [Re: Shea25]
    #12602220 - 05/21/10 02:38 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

tnx for the info.


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Re: Bulk substrate/casing recipes??? [Re: eLShaMukO]
    #12602528 - 05/21/10 05:41 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

awesome thank you for everyones great input i will rack my brain and play with all this new info


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