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Bailing out
#12592798 - 05/19/10 03:10 PM (14 years, 3 days ago) |
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Hey whats up. First off thanks to the shroomery for all of your help was a blast but something happened today and I'm out for a while. Theres this guy who when I first started growing I told him about it. Well a few months later I decided it was sketchy so I told him I quit. Well he invited me over today and has apparently started his own thing (rather large) and just flat out introduced me to his 3 room mates who were in on it too and it became very apparent very quickly that they knew I used to be up to no good. Long story short theres 3 random people I don't know that know I do what I do or at least think I might. Did I mention that this guy got his spores from me? heres my question: I have gotten rid of everything but , spores syringes various rubbermaid tubs with holes in them grain lids with self healing injection ports and tyvek filters mason jars, lots of them.
Am I cool if theres a raid or should I ditch more stuff? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks
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As long as you arent growing, you're fine.
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Re: Bailing out [Re: Doc_T]
#12592848 - 05/19/10 03:19 PM (14 years, 3 days ago) |
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agreed, unless u live in a state where spores are illegal (Ga, Fl, Ca) you should be good. I really wouldnt have worried so much, but eh, better safe than sorry. Also, I would keep my supplies and just keep an edible print on hand for an alibi. As long as there are no "active" grows going, nothing containing a controlled substance or myc about to produce, theres not much they can charge you with.
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Re: Bailing out [Re: jshaman]
#12592859 - 05/19/10 03:23 PM (14 years, 3 days ago) |
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Also, punch your friend in the stomach.
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Re: Bailing out [Re: jshaman]
#12592861 - 05/19/10 03:23 PM (14 years, 3 days ago) |
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Cool thanks guys. I'll go ahead and drop the anonymous tag. I know I'm kinda paranoid but this place was a party house that had traffic and at least 3 people living there. An apartment I might add!!! I mean it just smelled like it was gonna get busted. I'm positive they are and if they ask dude where he got his spores and any of those 3 people say me they will kick down the door here where I live. I'v got what I just picked drying out so I'v got probably a quarter sack or so. Kinda paranoid about that buy I'll just hafta eat em as fast as possible. Thanks for the quick response guys I was having massive panic attack lol.
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Doc_T said: Also, punch your friend in the stomach.
ya for real I haven't even gotten around to being pissed at him yet.
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I got raided. I was arrested for intent to grow illegal mushrooms. They found some plastic tubs (no holes drilled) a heater, some gloves and syringes... And about 5 edible cultures in vacutainers.
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How'd that turn out? They politely let you go without beating you?
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legallyhomeless said: I got raided. I was arrested for intent to grow illegal mushrooms. They found some plastic tubs (no holes drilled) a heater, some gloves and syringes... And about 5 edible cultures in vacutainers.
That case got dropped, correct?
OP, don't worry about it.
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legallyhomeless said: I got raided. I was arrested for intent to grow illegal mushrooms. They found some plastic tubs (no holes drilled) a heater, some gloves and syringes... And about 5 edible cultures in vacutainers.
That case got dropped, correct?
OP, don't worry about it.
Lol! well I'l try not to worry too much I figure I'll lay low for a year then get back to buisness and not tell a FUCKING SOUL!! lol. I told 3 people and it ended up biting me in the ass. Let this be a lesson to me and everyone! I'll let you guys know if I get raided lol.
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> Am I cool if theres a raid or should I ditch more stuff?
Wow! You sure got some bad advice here!
You certainly need to ditch the stuff. Don't listen to everyone telling you it's OK.
You broke the #1 rule and told someone. You're a perfect example of why not to do this as the 1 dude you told then told at least 3 other people (probably more like 5-10) those people have probably each told another several people. So you could be looking at dozens of people knowing about your felonious activities.
Now if it was just you involved I'd tell you you're fine, even if they were investigating you. But you're now involved in a criminal conspiracy.
There's only three elements needed to prove a criminal conspiracy:
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(1) that two or more persons conspired, or agreed, to commit the crimes described in the indictment;
(2) that the defendants knowingly and voluntarily joined the conspiracy; and
(3) that a member of the conspiracy did an overt act for the purpose of advancing or helping the conspiracy.
(1) You gave him spores and probably advice, so it looks pretty convincing that you agreed to commit a crime. It doesn't matter really since the other members will implicate you to get a deal regardless of what was actually said.
(2) No gun to your head. They didn't blackmail you or threaten your life, etc..
(3) You gave him the spores and probably advice.
That's the three elements they have to prove for a conviction of "criminal conspiracy to manufacture a controlled substance". And it looks like you're clearly guilty.
Those dumbasses that know about you obviously have shit for brains and will probably get busted. They've already broken rule #1 and since you said it was a large op they're going to break other rules, such as selling. That will lead to TONS of people knowing about the op. At the very least everyone they sell to will be spreading the word that those guys are the ones to get shrooms from. Now anybody amongst that circle of dozens of people gets busted and they WILL rat.
What usually happens in this case is someone gets busted. The cops lean on them and tell them they'll cut a deal. The dude rats. Then the cops pressure them to implicate all the other members. They pressure everyone they pick up to implicate a ringleader. Then everyone gets plea deals except the ringleader.
Since those 3-4 are tight, and would be in the worst trouble anyways, AND you started the whole thing... who do you think they'll implicate as the ringleader?
Those fucks could well get a sweet deal and you could end up doing the most time for doing almost nothing at all.
While they could convict you on their testimony alone, prosecutors like physical evidence. If they find indications of your involvement at your home they'll probably go after you. OTOH if they are the ones that got busted and they have physical evidence on them, the prosecutor will probably go after them the hardest.
Maybe all this sounds far-fetched to you. Well I've known people to get interrogated for hours on a dime bag of weed (usually kids they know will break). They keep asking who they got it from and who has drugs, who's selling, etc., etc.. And I DO know of people that have ratted out all their friends (who did years) just to get out of a $600 weed ticket. They don't think about what's right and they get pressured into ratting by the cops.
Anyways, it's your ass. But considering that you're already guilty of "criminal conspiracy to manufacture a controlled substance", and that doesn't go away just because you bail out of the conspiracy, I'd get rid of all the evidence you can.
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fastfred said: ... -FF
I appreciate your response man you obviously have a good understanding of the law. I'v dealt with the feds before so it took me all of 2 sentences to be convinced. Everything gone. PC, syringes, everything. I figured considering I smoke 100 bux in weed a week I can replace the junk if I ever wanted to. Whats left is a bag of verm, gypsum, coco coir, polyfil. I have a tomato garden tso I figure none of that is that strange cept the polyfil.... I'll get rid of that too. Theres birdseed and a clear plastic tub(no holes) as well. Is that clear enough or should I keep ditching? Also should I just avoid this person or sit down with him and explain how he is being a complete fucktard Also should I store my pot elsewhere? I kinda don;t mind being busted for pot. I have a few ounces a bong and some pipes. If thats gonna happen its gonna happen ya know? Pot is a god given right IMO so if they wana give me a few misdemeanors for weed they can shove it up their ass. But will having it here somehow compound the problem in a raid?
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> Is that clear enough or should I keep ditching?
Sounds fine to me. They aren't going to get any traction with common gardening supplies.
> Also should I just avoid this person or sit down with him and explain how he is being a complete fucktard
That's up to you. If you care what happens to him a decent friend would warn him how unsafe he's being. I wouldn't stir up any bad blood though. Just make it clear that it's risky. Tell him how surprised you were that the 1 person you told has now multiplied into 4+. Let him know the same thing will happen to him, the 4+ people he thinks know will be a dozen or more in no time.
I'd make sure he knows you're not growing anymore. Maybe even let him see for himself. If he's smart he'll never implicate someone who's clean since if the cops come hounding or arresting you they'll find nothing, yet you have plenty of knowledge about him. Don't play that game though. Cops love to tell you that your friend ratted you out and the only way out now is to cut a deal and rat him out, especially when it's not true!
> Also should I store my pot elsewhere?
Your risk is only theoretical really at this point. If everyone knows/thinks you're clean your chances of going down with the conspiracy ship are slim.
It's more likely that they will pick you up and lean on you for testimony since by the time they get to you they'll already know from the others that you're already out of the conspiracy. They still need specific and credible evidence of a crime to get a search warrant, which they shouldn't be able to get unless your friends lie.
By ditching your conspiracy related stuff you've gone a long way to get out of it. If you had a tub or syringe your friends could tell that to the cops, based on that testimony even a tub would be potential evidence of the conspiracy.
It's just good you caught on early and have plenty of time to repair most of the damage. Conspiracy is very easy to be guilty of, but fairly hard to prove.
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Fastfred thanks for all the help man. your a valuable asset to the shroomery dude. 5 shrooms for you
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