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InvisibleBuddha420
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    #12589149 - 05/18/10 10:12 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I'm sorry, I already asked this before, but never got enough feedback from the guru ppl. 80% of the cakes fruit around the edges, why is that?

like this:



any ideas on how to promote growth in the middle? i use 1 inch of casing mix on top, verm, pete moss, lime.

thanks!


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Re: question to the experts [Re: Buddha420]
    #12589177 - 05/18/10 10:16 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

i believe its caused because the space between the cake and the side of the pan is providing alot of fresh air exchange...thus pins form there

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Re: question to the experts [Re: Buddha420]
    #12589179 - 05/18/10 10:17 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Not an expert but are you making sure your substrate and casing layer are as level/flat/even as possible?


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Re: question to the experts [Re: Mad Hatter 2010]
    #12589197 - 05/18/10 10:18 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Mad Hatter 2010 said:
Not an expert but are you making sure your substrate and casing layer are as level/flat/even as possible?




absolutely! i even everything out. some cakes come out as forests with 80% growth in the middle

some cakes have a lot of aborts in the middle...but the edges growth like in the pics is dominant among most of my projects =(

any suggestions on how to promote growth in the middle?


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Re: question to the experts [Re: Buddha420]
    #12589201 - 05/18/10 10:19 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

How's your RH?  I've had grows where that occurred and I thought it was do to the increased humidity in the microclimate formed in the space between the wall of your container and your sub (higher humidity).


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Re: question to the experts [Re: Dharmatripper]
    #12589217 - 05/18/10 10:22 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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How's your RH?  I've had grows where that occurred and I thought it was do to the increased humidity in the microclimate formed in the space between the wall of your container and your sub (higher humidity).




not familiar with the terminology here, whats RH? room humidity?


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Re: question to the experts [Re: Buddha420]
    #12589231 - 05/18/10 10:24 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

RH=relative humidity


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Re: question to the experts [Re: Dharmatripper]
    #12589233 - 05/18/10 10:24 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

i thought that this happened because there was low humidity. kinda like when they form around the base of a pf cake. the boomer favors the humid pocket...

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Re: question to the experts [Re: Buddha420]
    #12589234 - 05/18/10 10:24 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Buddha420 said:
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Mad Hatter 2010 said:
Not an expert but are you making sure your substrate and casing layer are as level/flat/even as possible?




absolutely! i even everything out. some cakes come out as forests with 80% growth in the middle

some cakes have a lot of aborts in the middle...but the edges growth like in the pics is dominant among most of my projects =(

any suggestions on how to promote growth in the middle?





Well I did read your other post on the same topic and I think I saw someone say something about moisture running down the sides of the pans/trays your casings are in...that could be a contributing factor...more moisture at the sides instead of the center.

And RH% stands for relative humidity.

In other words,dharmatripper is asking what the humidity is in the FC.

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Re: question to the experts [Re: Buddha420]
    #12589241 - 05/18/10 10:26 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I told you this in your other thread. Use a trash bag under your sub. Or even a casing layer perhaps. It's that simple.


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Re: question to the experts [Re: wattballasts]
    #12589277 - 05/18/10 10:33 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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i thought that this happened because there was low humidity. kinda like when they form around the base of a pf cake. the boomer favors the humid pocket...




If you're cakes are on perlite the bottom is going to be the most humid.


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Re: question to the experts [Re: Buddha420]
    #12589287 - 05/18/10 10:34 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Buddha420 said:
I'm sorry, I already asked this before, but never got enough feedback from the guru ppl. 80% of the cakes fruit around the edges, why is that?

like this:

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any ideas on how to promote growth in the middle? i use 1 inch of casing mix on top, verm, pete moss, lime.

thanks!



Substrate is dehydrated.
After first flush, give your substrate a 12-24 hour dunk, let dry out on the surface a little bit and place back in fruiting.


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Re: question to the experts [Re: prismism]
    #12589301 - 05/18/10 10:36 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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I told you this in your other thread. Use a trash bag under your sub. Or even a casing layer perhaps. It's that simple.




Yup, a casing layer would help.  If you're at odds with the idea of perfecting a casing you could crumple up some wax paper and lay it over the top of your tubs to increase the humidity at the surface.  don't forget to poke some holes in it so there is still some FAE going on.


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Re: question to the experts [Re: Dharmatripper]
    #12589302 - 05/18/10 10:36 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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wattballasts said:
i thought that this happened because there was low humidity. kinda like when they form around the base of a pf cake. the boomer favors the humid pocket...




If you're cakes are on perlite the bottom is going to be the most humid.





thats what i was sayin. i mean low humidity in the FC.

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Re: question to the experts [Re: Dharmatripper]
    #12589328 - 05/18/10 10:39 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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RH=relative humidity




thanks

inside is generally around 90-98%...when FAE system kicks in, it drops for a bit, but then recovers.

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I told you this in your other thread. Use a trash bag under your sub. Or even a casing layer perhaps. It's that simple.




i dont want to sterilize a trash bag.

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If you're cakes are on perlite the bottom is going to be the most humid.




i've used perlite before, greatly increases chance of contamination, unless you want to sterilize it, and that sucks to do.


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Re: question to the experts [Re: Buddha420]
    #12589345 - 05/18/10 10:43 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

There is no need to sterilize a trash bag used in your tubs. If you are paranoid then you can rub the bag down with a paper towel soaked in rubbing alcohol. If your spawn is healthy and your bulk/casing properly pasteurized then you should have no reason to worry about contamination.


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Re: question to the experts [Re: prismism]
    #12589355 - 05/18/10 10:44 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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prismism said:
There is no need to sterilize a trash bag used in your tubs. If you are paranoid then you can rub the bag down with a paper towel soaked in rubbing alcohol. If your spawn is healthy and your bulk/casing properly pasteurized then you should have no reason to worry about contamination.




i guess you can say im paranoid...i just dont like seeing contamination, i have very little of it, usually only in older cakes.


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Re: question to the experts [Re: Buddha420]
    #12589366 - 05/18/10 10:45 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Buddha--about the perlite, I was just commenting on something above, that wasn't meant for you.

I've never sterilized/pasteurized or anything-ized trash bags before using them and I've never had a problem.  Some people do but if it ain't broke....

Try the wax paper--RR's idea i think.


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Re: question to the experts [Re: Buddha420]
    #12589375 - 05/18/10 10:47 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

These are some of my tubs using non sterilized trash bags.









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Re: question to the experts [Re: Dharmatripper]
    #12589377 - 05/18/10 10:48 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Dharmatripper said:
Buddha--about the perlite, I was just commenting on something above, that wasn't meant for you.

I've never sterilized/pasteurized or anything-ized a trash bag before using them and I've never had a problem.  Some people do but if it ain't broke....

Try the wax paper--RR's idea i think.




oh no, i know it wasnt meant for me, i just felt like sharing...


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