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Improving grows
    #12586744 - 05/18/10 03:56 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Just finished my first pf tek and i was pretty disappointed with the results.  8 jars of b+ gave me a little over a quarter dried from 2 flushes.  I'm trying again, 10 jars colonizing now from a syringe i made from my own prints.

Now I'm trying to go over where i could improve my tek to incorporate a better yield this time around.  A few things i believe i may have messed up with, but not sure if it directly effected yield, rather the slower colonization time.

My setup is a 61 quart tub with 1/4" holes on all six sides and recently added a few extra inch's of perlite, so its around 5 inches now. Pretty much your basic SG setup.

Tho my jars all colonized and all had a week to consolidate, and were misted 3-4 times a day and were fanned 6-8 times after birth i still ran into problems. Could an overly wet substrate cause poor yields? I also constantly looked at them, turned them around to look, etc.  Could this have caused stress to they myc resulting in poor flushes?


I also fixed my grow area up a bit. Got a 6500k bulb about 2 feet above the FC instead of a 5000k bulb that was in the ceiling about 7 feet away.  I know light is a secondary trigger, but could that have been a problem to?

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Re: Improving grows [Re: Bahaga]
    #12586787 - 05/18/10 04:01 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

It's because you're fruiting cakes. I overheard some people talking on here the other day, they said cakes were no good. I don't know if to believe them though....


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Re: Improving grows [Re: Drew Tyler]
    #12586805 - 05/18/10 04:03 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Did you dunk and roll? How many times did you dunk? Because from my experience you can get upwards of five flushes from cakes before they get completely spent.
Just because he is fruiting cakes doesn't mean that he cannot get high yields, he just needs more cakes to get better yields.


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Re: Improving grows [Re: Bahaga]
    #12586811 - 05/18/10 04:03 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Handling too much and too much moisture can cause poor flushes but if you are really concerned about getting a lot more mushies than I would recommend spawning to bulk. :shrug:


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Re: Improving grows [Re: Drew Tyler]
    #12586862 - 05/18/10 04:08 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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It's because you're fruiting cakes. I overheard some people talking on here the other day, they said cakes were no good. I don't know if to believe them though....




Cakes are great they are the best fruiting sub cup for cup. I can usually get 13+ grams dry per cake.

Step it up to bulk

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Re: Improving grows [Re: TNK]
    #12586921 - 05/18/10 04:15 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Did you dunk and roll? How many times did you dunk? Because from my experience you can get upwards of five flushes from cakes before they get completely spent.
Just because he is fruiting cakes doesn't mean that he cannot get high yields, he just needs more cakes to get better yields.




I did eight jars last time, this time i have 16 so hopefully that will work on my side to.


Yeah i dunked and rolled after birth then dunked after each flush. The second flush only took 3 days to pin but after that i dunked them and no pins after a week in the chamber, so I'm thinking they are spent.


I will do bulk soon...  i used my only print to make a syringe for these next jars bc I had all the material on hand, and one for a friend of mine.  I was planning on taking prints from these jars for my next bulk grow (about a quarter colonized in 6 days, so I'm doing a little better then last time)  But it would still be nice to get as much from this grow as i can... alot of my cakes only had one or 2 pins each. (RH and FAE seemed like one of the only things i did get right, very few shrooms but very healthy looking.) So i was just trying to brainstorm ways to improve my ways.

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Re: Improving grows [Re: Shea25]
    #12586932 - 05/18/10 04:16 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Perhaps you birthed them prematurely. It's a pretty common mistake and I can't really see anything you're doing wrong.

I doubt it was the moisture level as a good shotgun evaporates moisture pretty quickly.

I doubt it was the handling of the cakes unless you were touching them a lot during initial pin formation.

Usually the problem is humidity and fae, but it sounds like you've got that part down.


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Re: Improving grows [Re: Shea25]
    #12586943 - 05/18/10 04:17 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Shea25 said:
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Drew Tyler said:
It's because you're fruiting cakes. I overheard some people talking on here the other day, they said cakes were no good. I don't know if to believe them though....




Cakes are great they are the best fruiting sub cup for cup. I can usually get 13+ grams dry per cake.

Step it up to bulk





Yeah i seen your cakes, thats very, very impressive man.  So if say you got 13 grams per cake, i got maybe a gram or two more from EIGHT cakes :shrug:  So there is def room for improvement!

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Re: Improving grows [Re: anonjon]
    #12586956 - 05/18/10 04:19 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Perhaps you birthed them prematurely. It's a pretty common mistake and I can't really see anything you're doing wrong.

I doubt it was the moisture level as a good shotgun evaporates moisture pretty quickly.

I doubt it was the handling of the cakes unless you were touching them a lot during initial pin formation.

Usually the problem is humidity and fae, but it sounds like you've got that part down.





  I really dont believe i did, but i guess i could have always waited a bit longer.  Im sure that could have a huge effect on yields.  Guess thats another one to add to the list :thumbup:

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Re: Improving grows [Re: Bahaga]
    #12586962 - 05/18/10 04:20 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Best thing is a nice 7-10 consolidation, 24 hour dunk in cool water NOT in the fridge and mist 3-4 times a day and always fan after, fan 5-6+ times a day and a 12/12 light using a 6500K florescent

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Re: Improving grows [Re: Shea25]
    #12587527 - 05/18/10 05:42 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I always dunked for 24 hours (and cold shocked) and then rolled in vermiculite BITD.Doing that you should get at least 3-4 flushes...when I was doing PF Tek I was averaging around 5-7 grams dry per cake per flush,and sometimes a little better aroud 7-10 grams dry per cake per flush.

You can try that,you can try casing some cakes (each cake will still produce the same amount as an uncased cake,maybe a tad bit more due to all the moisture in the casing layer),or you can step up to grains and spawn to a bulk substrate in a monotub or greenhouse.

Also you were using MS so the results will vary so maybe also look into Strain Isolation on Agar and cloning

There's also LC's too
http://www.shroomery.org/24/Mycelium-Culture

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Re: Improving grows [Re: Mad Hatter 2010]
    #12587576 - 05/18/10 05:51 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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I always dunked for 24 hours (and cold shocked) and then rolled in vermiculite BITD.Doing that you should get at least 3-4 flushes...when I was doing PF Tek I was averaging around 5-7 grams dry per cake per flush,and sometimes a little better aroud 7-10 grams dry per cake per flush.

You can try that,you can try casing some cakes (each cake will still produce the same amount as an uncased cake,maybe a tad bit more due to all the moisture in the casing layer),or you can step up to grains and spawn to a bulk substrate in a monotub or greenhouse.

Also you were using MS so the results will vary so maybe also look into Strain Isolation on Agar and cloning

There's also LC's too
http://www.shroomery.org/24/Mycelium-Culture





Cold shocking cubes will slow down fruiting, Cubes are sub tropical and dont require a cold shock nor benefit from it

Also casing cakes will lower your yield they are best fruited as a cake

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Re: Improving grows [Re: Mad Hatter 2010]
    #12587698 - 05/18/10 06:11 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Mad Hatter 2010 said:
I always dunked for 24 hours (and cold shocked) and then rolled in vermiculite BITD.Doing that you should get at least 3-4 flushes...when I was doing PF Tek I was averaging around 5-7 grams dry per cake per flush,and sometimes a little better aroud 7-10 grams dry per cake per flush.

You can try that,you can try casing some cakes (each cake will still produce the same amount as an uncased cake,maybe a tad bit more due to all the moisture in the casing layer),or you can step up to grains and spawn to a bulk substrate in a monotub or greenhouse.

Also you were using MS so the results will vary so maybe also look into Strain Isolation on Agar and cloning

There's also LC's too
http://www.shroomery.org/24/Mycelium-Culture





Man my thirst for knowledge out weights my budget, working space, and resources.  I would love to get into agar work... I think it would be the most interesting part of cultivation. Eventually i will.


I'm thinking about spawning the cakes i have colonizing into a mini mono.  Coir is cheap, buy a case, makes some prints, get some grains then do some full monos.

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Re: Improving grows [Re: Bahaga]
    #12587725 - 05/18/10 06:16 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I read a brick will make around 7.5-8.5 quarts plus a quart of verm and a quart of coffee... ~10 quarts?

So 10 1/2pint cakes
5 pints
2.5 quarts
2.5-~10 is a 1:4
Correct?
So i should be able to spawn that to an 10gal mono no problem right?

Edited by Bahaga (05/18/10 06:25 PM)

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Re: Improving grows [Re: Bahaga]
    #12587887 - 05/18/10 06:39 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Did my first 3 grows with cakes. Stepping it to bulk this time via monotubs and WBS quart jars...can't wait till I see the hopefully good results

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