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Prepaid cell phones
    #12586028 - 05/18/10 02:19 PM (14 years, 4 days ago)

Security wise, does it matter if the other person you're talking to is also on a prepaid phone or at a phone booth, or are you safe enough if it's just you with the prepaid ?

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Re: Prepaid cell phones [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #12586277 - 05/18/10 02:51 PM (14 years, 4 days ago)

Depends on the situation if they really want you they got voice detection software and you can't call any of your normal numbers you'd call with it anyway because then it could be traced right back to you.

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Re: Prepaid cell phones [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #12588237 - 05/18/10 07:48 PM (14 years, 4 days ago)

I used to use prepaid phones for a few reasons:

-I could throw them away without much worry
-The one I had, had an easily removable SIM card
-It's pretty hard to prove the phone was mine
-If someone gets caught with an incriminating text on their phone, that number can't be traced back to me
-As far as I know, no one keeps records of any texts you send like some major cell providers

There are other reasons too, but I can't remember them atm.  I think they're a good investment if you're involved in any sort of shady activity.  I mean, it may not save you from anything, but is it going to do you any harm?


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Re: Prepaid cell phones [Re: illuminati]
    #12597245 - 05/20/10 10:32 AM (14 years, 2 days ago)

Pre-paid phones typically subcontract to other providers for the actual tower-to-phone service so that provider would still have the text messages on record. Text messages are never ever in any way a secure way to communicate.


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Re: Prepaid cell phones [Re: NizzyJones]
    #12597643 - 05/20/10 11:48 AM (14 years, 2 days ago)

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Pre-paid phones typically subcontract to other providers for the actual tower-to-phone service so that provider would still have the text messages on record. Text messages are never ever in any way a secure way to communicate.




Even if they do record them, it's not like they can be like, "Oh this number belongs to Mr. XXX."  That is, unless you were dumb enough to pay for minutes with a credit card or something.


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Re: Prepaid cell phones [Re: illuminati]
    #12599575 - 05/20/10 05:19 PM (14 years, 2 days ago)



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Re: Prepaid cell phones [Re: illuminati]
    #12609216 - 05/22/10 11:33 AM (14 years, 11 hours ago)

That's not the only way to demonstrate that the phone belongs to you. They could easily get a list of numbers the phone had been used to contact and start by talking to those people.

Yes you can use pre-paid phones and obtain a reasonable measure of security but using text messaging for anything sensitive is just recklessly foolish.


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Re: Prepaid cell phones [Re: NizzyJones]
    #12609471 - 05/22/10 12:35 PM (14 years, 10 hours ago)

What is the best deal on prepaid phones? I saw one in walmart that was about $18. To activate it cost a min of $15 and that was $1 a day for each day you used it plus 10 cents a minute. Something like that. Do they charge you for outgoing calls only, or every time you turn it on? It would be nice to have a phone to carry that didn't cost anything if you don't use it. How long are the batteries good for?


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Re: Prepaid cell phones [Re: Stonehenge]
    #12609521 - 05/22/10 12:44 PM (14 years, 10 hours ago)

Prepaid carriers use the same phones manufacturers as other carriers (Nokia, LG etc) so battery life is dependent on the phone you buy. They charge for ingoing and outgoing calls and texts as well as for maintaining service (keeping your phone number reserved). I've never shopped around enough to compare their pricing structures.


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Re: Prepaid cell phones [Re: NizzyJones]
    #12610409 - 05/22/10 04:03 PM (14 years, 7 hours ago)

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That's not the only way to demonstrate that the phone belongs to you. They could easily get a list of numbers the phone had been used to contact and start by talking to those people.

Yes you can use pre-paid phones and obtain a reasonable measure of security but using text messaging for anything sensitive is just recklessly foolish.



text is better. they only keep texts in the system for about a day. the only long term record is which you keep on on your phone that you can delete yourself if you wish.

Also its alot harder to deny a recorded audio conversation than a text. so there is plausible deniability for a text but not audio so always use text but dont talk about specific locations.

Audio is much more incriminating than a text.


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Re: Prepaid cell phones [Re: hotbod]
    #12611118 - 05/22/10 06:36 PM (14 years, 4 hours ago)

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text is better. they only keep texts in the system for about a day.




Storage is cheap now, I really doubt that the carrier deletes sent text messages within a day.  It is common for the police to subpoena the carrier and get many months of text messages.

I always advise people to never talk about anything illegal over the phone.  But if you are going to do it, don't ever do it in text messages.  Its so easy to record that way.  At least if you use voice they need to pay someone to listen to your calls and transcribe them, which is real expensive.

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the only long term record is which you keep on on your phone that you can delete yourself if you wish.




You can delete them yourself, and thats a good idea.  But you can't convince all your friends to delete all their text messages when they get them from you.  One day they will get busted for a gram of weed, cops will take the phone and see all the text messages they were too lazy to delete.

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Also its alot harder to deny a recorded audio conversation than a text.




Both are difficult to deny, but it would be easier to deny a text message because a recorded phone conversation is in your voice.

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Audio is much more incriminating than a text.




No its definitely the other way around.

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Re: Prepaid cell phones [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #12611163 - 05/22/10 06:44 PM (14 years, 4 hours ago)

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text is better. they only keep texts in the system for about a day.




Storage is cheap now, I really doubt that the carrier deletes sent text messages within a day.  It is common for the police to subpoena the carrier and get many months of text messages.

I always advise people to never talk about anything illegal over the phone.  But if you are going to do it, don't ever do it in text messages.  Its so easy to record that way.  At least if you use voice they need to pay someone to listen to your calls and transcribe them, which is real expensive.

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the only long term record is which you keep on on your phone that you can delete yourself if you wish.




You can delete them yourself, and thats a good idea.  But you can't convince all your friends to delete all their text messages when they get them from you.  One day they will get busted for a gram of weed, cops will take the phone and see all the text messages they were too lazy to delete.

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Also its alot harder to deny a recorded audio conversation than a text.




Both are difficult to deny, but it would be easier to deny a text message because a recorded phone conversation is in your voice.

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Audio is much more incriminating than a text.




No its definitely the other way around.



your completely wrong. i think you are relying on the idea that the phone would be used for personal things.

When using a prepaid phone for business only use it for business and not for anything else and only text and never talk.

text messages have plausible deniability and voice doesnt

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Re: Prepaid cell phones [Re: hotbod]
    #12611211 - 05/22/10 06:53 PM (14 years, 4 hours ago)

and know its not cheap to store 2.1 billion text messages per month. actually there is as much as 20 billion text messages per month in the usa

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/07/tech/main621388.shtml

this article clearly states the policy of most usa phone companies policies on storing text messages.

and the longest time they store messages is up to 7 days. so stfu and gtfo


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Re: Prepaid cell phones [Re: hotbod]
    #12612648 - 05/23/10 02:39 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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and know its not cheap to store 2.1 billion text messages per month.




My home computer I got for $50 can easily store than many messages.  It seems like you don't really understand much about electronics.

> this article clearly states the policy of most usa phone companies policies on storing text messages.

That's a rather shitty article.  Besides they quote.. "The company's Web site said messages not immediately delivered are held for 72 hours for more delivery attempts - then deleted."

That's not clearly stated by any means.  It says nothing about storing text messages.  It's only referring to *undelivered* messages.

Companies store *location* data for at least 6 months to a year.  It's certain that they keep texts longer than that.


The bottom line is that only idiots use text messages for anything sensitive.  Legally they're far less protected than phone calls.  It's also the difference between saying something and writing it down.  That reasoning should be obvious to all except complete morons.


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Re: Prepaid cell phones [Re: fastfred]
    #12612682 - 05/23/10 03:01 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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and know its not cheap to store 2.1 billion text messages per month.




My home computer I got for $50 can easily store than many messages.  It seems like you don't really understand much about electronics.

> this article clearly states the policy of most usa phone companies policies on storing text messages.

That's a rather shitty article.  Besides they quote.. "The company's Web site said messages not immediately delivered are held for 72 hours for more delivery attempts - then deleted."

That's not clearly stated by any means.  It says nothing about storing text messages.  It's only referring to *undelivered* messages.

Companies store *location* data for at least 6 months to a year.  It's certain that they keep texts longer than that.


The bottom line is that only idiots use text messages for anything sensitive.  Legally they're far less protected than phone calls.  It's also the difference between saying something and writing it down.  That reasoning should be obvious to all except complete morons.


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obviously you didnt read the rest of my post cause if you did you'd see i said 20 billion messages and only hold there texts up to 7 days.

And its not a shitty article jsut because it doesnt agree with your point of view.

Writing something down in hand writing is different from text in which i mean hand writing can be compared.

also texts cant be concretely tied to you in any way unless you reveal details about your identity. For example if a client gets busted and trys to turn you over so he has to set you up to get a lighter sentence. he cant do it because sine you use text they text you for some product-->you send a runner--> they bust runner and they dont have shit on you CAUSE ALL THEY HAVE IS A FUCKING TEXT AND NOT NO VOICE RECORDING YOU DUMB FUCKS.

a voice is concrete and theres no way to get around it even if you dont say your name or anything revealing about you. All they need is hearsay to put them on the right track and just listen to your voice and BAMM your done.

You have to automatically assume that someone is monitoring/recording your voice and texts.

"only idiots use text messages for anything sensitive." its the exact opposite.


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Re: Prepaid cell phones [Re: hotbod]
    #12613399 - 05/23/10 09:41 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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obviously you didnt read the rest of my post cause if you did you'd see i said 20 billion messages and only hold there texts up to 7 days.




You've still not provided a source for that claim. In fact the source you're linking mentions a case where an attorney subpoenaed four month old text messages and that's in 2004. Storage space is just getting cheaper. :failboat: :kingtard:


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Re: Prepaid cell phones [Re: NizzyJones]
    #12613649 - 05/23/10 10:51 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

With text messages they have to prove who sent it. If someone rolls over on you but they can't get you to show up for a meeting, then all they have is his word and some text. If they have his/her word and your voice, the jury might say that sounds just like you and convict.

I've heard they can use triangulation to indicate where a message came from. Can they pinpoint it to a house? I doubt it but that would be incriminating.

Has anyone had experience with the walmart cheapo phones?


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Re: Prepaid cell phones [Re: Stonehenge]
    #12613716 - 05/23/10 11:11 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

My friend had the boost phone he liked it.  Ill probly be getting any cheap phone that I can buy with cash that I can buy reup minutes with cash.  All the drug dealers I know use cheapass phones they bought at the nearest gas stations.


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Re: Prepaid cell phones [Re: NizzyJones]
    #12614294 - 05/23/10 01:43 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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obviously you didnt read the rest of my post cause if you did you'd see i said 20 billion messages and only hold there texts up to 7 days.




You've still not provided a source for that claim. In fact the source you're linking mentions a case where an attorney subpoenaed four month old text messages and that's in 2004. Storage space is just getting cheaper. :failboat: :kingtard:



read the whole link.


And the amount of texts being sent increases every month.

http://www.intomobile.com/2009/04/06/americans-sent-1-trillion-sms-text-messages-in-2008.html

here is says that in the year of 2008 there were 1 trillion texts sent within america.


so youa re trying to say they save between 100 billion to 1 trillion texts ever year for the past 20 years?

why would they do this? there is no practical use for these such as billing purposes. and there is no law to make them hold onto the texts.

the only thing they hold onto for a few months is the information of the text such as time and location for billing purposes AND NOT THE ACTUAL CONTENT OF THE MESSAGE.


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Re: Prepaid cell phones [Re: hotbod]
    #12614318 - 05/23/10 01:49 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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I've heard they can use triangulation to indicate where a message came from. Can they pinpoint it to a house? I doubt it but that would be incriminating.





they dont automatically do it unless your gps is enabled. but when they are doing an investigation.

T-Mobile, for instance, uses a GSM technology called Uplink Time Difference of Arrival, or U-TDOA, which calculates a position based on precisely how long it takes signals to reach towers. A company called TruePosition, which provides U-TDOA services to T-Mobile, boasts of "accuracy to under 50 meters" that's available "for start-of-call, midcall, or when idle."

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read this http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10451518-38.html




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