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InvisibleBuddha420
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My methods to quality and quantity
    #12581309 - 05/17/10 07:23 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

sorry, had to remove this

Edited by Buddha420 (05/19/10 05:30 AM)

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Re: My methods to quality and quantity [Re: Buddha420]
    #12581360 - 05/17/10 07:31 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Where is the quantity of quality?:dancingshroom:

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Re: My methods to quality and quantity [Re: ModularMind]
    #12581370 - 05/17/10 07:33 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

sorry.


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Re: My methods to quality and quantity [Re: Buddha420]
    #12581391 - 05/17/10 07:37 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

:thumbup:

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Re: My methods to quality and quantity [Re: ModularMind]
    #12581398 - 05/17/10 07:38 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Impressive setup :thumbup:

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Re: My methods to quality and quantity [Re: J-baller]
    #12581414 - 05/17/10 07:42 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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J-baller said:
Impressive setup :thumbup:




thanks...its a time consuming hobby!


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Re: My methods to quality and quantity [Re: Buddha420]
    #12584124 - 05/18/10 07:36 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

i like everything up until your substrate trays/fc setup. it's awfully complicated for such small trays.

running a squirrel cage blower (on a timer for 15 min every 6 hours or so. into a bucket with an ultrasonic mister, you can run 6x 50 gallon tubs that pop out about 2-3 dry lbs each. what you have right there, in my opinion, is a bottleneck on your production. you have the setup, but you are using tiny tubs inside other tubs. not a good use of space imo.

here's what 1 50gal tub can do hooked up to a setup like yours. imagine 2, or 3, or 6, or 8 :stoned::




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Re: My methods to quality and quantity [Re: J.Dizzle]
    #12584345 - 05/18/10 08:32 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

ok, what i have learned from experience is that mushrooms REQUIRE space to grow. I have many different ways of improving space usage, which has always led to smaller fruits. When theres not enough space they never grow over 1-3 inches. Then one day I removed half the cakes, and freed up space, I saw an INSTANT improvement in growth, literally in 1 day the difference was evident. Another example is in my warm room (86 F degree room) when I 1st make the cake, I keep it there for exactly 7 days, then on the 7th day I migrate it to the camber with 76 degree F. Now inside the warm room, i used to stack the cakes one top of one other with 2 pieces of wood in between, so there's enough air to circulate, they were just stacked. This experiment has ended in complete disaster! None of the cakes that were stacked produced good fruits.

CONCLUSION!

Mycelium needs more space to be more fruit bearing.


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Re: My methods to quality and quantity [Re: Buddha420]
    #12584431 - 05/18/10 08:55 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

a 50 gallon tub has more than enough space for 5 inches of substrate to thrive and colonize and produce monsters. im just saying that you have all these individual small fruiting chambers with even smaller trays in them and it really is uneeded space. if anything i would at least just put a couple shelves in an enclosed structure made of pvc and poly sheeting. then you could use the space more efficiently. for every level you have currently, you could be growing 4x as much and getting the same size flushes.

out of curiousity, what does one of those clear fc tubs yield (first couple flushes) when its fully operational?

not sure the vacuum is necessary either, as when you pump in fresh humid air, it evacuates the old air anyways. so its two birds with one stone.

and last but not least, if you removed cakes and saw an instant improvement, and you were getting stunted growth, then i would assume you needed much more FAE, or much less substrate in your area. if oyu pipe in humid air, and leave holes in your tubs, they get all the moisture and fresh air they can get.

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Re: My methods to quality and quantity [Re: J.Dizzle]
    #12584453 - 05/18/10 09:02 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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a 50 gallon tub has more than enough space for 5 inches of substrate to thrive and colonize and produce monsters. im just saying that you have all these individual small fruiting chambers with even smaller trays in them and it really is uneeded space. if anything i would at least just put a couple shelves in an enclosed structure made of pvc and poly sheeting. then you could use the space more efficiently. for every level you have currently, you could be growing 4x as much and getting the same size flushes.

out of curiousity, what does one of those clear fc tubs yield (first couple flushes) when its fully operational?

not sure the vacuum is necessary either, as when you pump in fresh humid air, it evacuates the old air anyways. so its two birds with one stone.

and last but not least, if you removed cakes and saw an instant improvement, and you were getting stunted growth, then i would assume you needed much more FAE, or much less substrate in your area. if oyu pipe in humid air, and leave holes in your tubs, they get all the moisture and fresh air they can get.




thanks for the advice, but I have tried doing this SOOOO many different ways! I used slightly bigger chambers to house 4 cakes, those 4 cakes barely grew. I do not use a humidifier, I let the cakes produce their own humidity, which they do very well. I have the exhaust system so I dont need to manually provide them with FAE, the exhaust timer does it for me every 4 hours. Btw, I do have a couple holes in the chambers.

what they yield? On average 1 cake yields about 2-3 ozs from the 1st couple flushes. Then maybe another half, if that much, from 1 or 2 remaining flushes, i call them harvests...all this new terminology here =)


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Re: My methods to quality and quantity [Re: J.Dizzle]
    #12584911 - 05/18/10 10:46 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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J.Dizzle said:
i like everything up until your substrate trays/fc setup. it's awfully complicated for such small trays.

running a squirrel cage blower (on a timer for 15 min every 6 hours or so. into a bucket with an ultrasonic mister, you can run 6x 50 gallon tubs that pop out about 2-3 dry lbs each. what you have right there, in my opinion, is a bottleneck on your production. you have the setup, but you are using tiny tubs inside other tubs. not a good use of space imo.

here's what 1 50gal tub can do hooked up to a setup like yours. imagine 2, or 3, or 6, or 8 :stoned::








ok, let me get back to this post...the problem with using garbage bags like you have suggested is sterilization. Before I case my cake, I sterilize the casing container with pure alcohol, failure to do so always results in contamination after the 2nd flush, or earlier.

Another advantage is my system is easy maintenance. I like to remove the cakes from the chambers, wipe the condensation from the chamber walls every 2-3 days. Also, the ability to take out individual cakes allows me to group the contaminated ones. If your ONE BIG CAKE gets infected, you're stuck with entire colony being infected, while in my case I just move the sick cake into a separate chamber so it doesn't bother the rest of the population.


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Re: My methods to quality and quantity [Re: Buddha420]
    #12584923 - 05/18/10 10:48 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

impressive pics man! :crazy2: :mushroom2:

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Re: My methods to quality and quantity [Re: cc2]
    #12585036 - 05/18/10 11:18 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

not knocking your setup cause the pictures tell the story. but i think what Jdizzle is saying is that with a little more tweaking you could more than double your yields in the same amount of space. but yours is an excellent, clean, and organized setup. mad props

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Re: My methods to quality and quantity [Re: drewb149]
    #12585118 - 05/18/10 11:36 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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not knocking your setup cause the pictures tell the story. but i think what Jdizzle is saying is that with a little more tweaking you could more than double your yields in the same amount of space. but yours is an excellent, clean, and organized setup. mad props




did you read my reply to him? if i do what he does, i lose my ability to isolate contamination. I also lose the ability to clean the chambers. The little trays provide mobility, which is one of the key factors in my setup. Get what I'm saying?


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Re: My methods to quality and quantity [Re: Buddha420]
    #12585141 - 05/18/10 11:42 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

yea i get that im not saying use huge ass containers but if you made it so those ones that hold your trays are the fc's then you still have the ability to isolate contams. like i said all that it would do is increase your yield to area ration better. and again your setup is sweet just thought id comment on what you might do to maximize it but if your happy thats all that matters.:shrug:

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Re: My methods to quality and quantity [Re: drewb149]
    #12585173 - 05/18/10 11:47 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

well i, and many people, can vouche for the fact that if you use coir, you will never have contamination issues. trich and the like don't like to sporulate when growing on coir. i dont know why, but they dont.

either way, your setup is awesome, just throwing out things that worked well for me.

keep on keepin on.

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Re: My methods to quality and quantity [Re: drewb149]
    #12585197 - 05/18/10 11:53 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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yea i get that im not saying use huge ass containers but if you made it so those ones that hold your trays are the fc's then you still have the ability to isolate contams. like i said all that it would do is increase your yield to area ration better. and again your setup is sweet just thought id comment on what you might do to maximize it but if your happy thats all that matters.:shrug:




you can't have too much mycelial mass without providing space around it. you think i havent tried maximizing my yield??? of course i have, and every attempt to stack more cakes, or make huge cakes has ended in failure, fruits just don't get higher than 1-2 inches, it seems like they're not getting enough air (considering a stable FAE system), but as soon as i remove half the cakes from that same space, they pick up in growth instantly!

what i need advice on is how to promote growth in the center of the cake, since they always grow around the edges. Also I have too many pins forming on a lot of my cakes, so many become aborts. I'm trying to eliminate this issue by inoculating by method of cloning, as opposed to spore inoculation (which seems to yield random strains)


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Re: My methods to quality and quantity [Re: Buddha420]
    #12585209 - 05/18/10 11:56 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Mushies require about 5-6 fresh air exchanges per hour. Your set-up you said had 10 min every 4 hours. I would say get a recycling timer and set it up so you get more fae. Other than that, your set-up looks like you have really put a lot of time and effort into it. Good job. :thumbup:


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Re: My methods to quality and quantity [Re: Buddha420]
    #12585250 - 05/18/10 12:05 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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did you read my reply to him? if i do what he does, i lose my ability to isolate contamination. I also lose the ability to clean the chambers. The little trays provide mobility, which is one of the key factors in my setup. Get what I'm saying?




You should try being open minded. There is a wealth of knowledgeable people here who only want to see others have greater success. Suggestions should be taken as such. :flyhigh:

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Re: My methods to quality and quantity [Re: conoshoto]
    #12585261 - 05/18/10 12:08 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Mushies require about 5-6 fresh air exchanges per hour. Your set-up you said had 10 min every 4 hours. I would say get a recycling timer and set it up so you get more fae. Other than that, your set-up looks like you have really put a lot of time and effort into it. Good job. :thumbup:




you're not fully understanding my setup. I do not use a humidifier, I rely on the cakes to produce their own humid environment, which they do, if I add any more fea, they won't have enough time to recover the humidity level untill next fae, I've tried adding more, they just dried out. but anyway, I don't think I have an fae problem at all.


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Re: My methods to quality and quantity [Re: Buddha420]
    #12585282 - 05/18/10 12:11 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Well that is how much they require. You can give them less with less then optimal results. Save some money and hook an ultrasonic up to your setup. Obviously it'll work your way, as you've already shown it will, I'm just saying that giving them what they need will provide more optimal performance.


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Re: My methods to quality and quantity [Re: Buddha420]
    #12585429 - 05/18/10 12:42 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Buddha420 said:
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Mushies require about 5-6 fresh air exchanges per hour. Your set-up you said had 10 min every 4 hours. I would say get a recycling timer and set it up so you get more fae. Other than that, your set-up looks like you have really put a lot of time and effort into it. Good job. :thumbup:




you're not fully understanding my setup. I do not use a humidifier, I rely on the cakes to produce their own humid environment, which they do, if I add any more fea, they won't have enough time to recover the humidity level untill next fae, I've tried adding more, they just dried out. but anyway, I don't think I have an fae problem at all.





well then you should probably look into a source of additional humidification because after hearing you explain your problem i would be willing to bet that if you could supply constant and humid FAE then you could use your fc as the actually "tray" and you would see the results that you didnt before.

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Re: My methods to quality and quantity [Re: drewb149]
    #12606064 - 05/21/10 07:28 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

i believe by having what is basically a monotub with a vaccum attached, you are actually creating the problems you describe.

pumping in humid air is always going to be better than sucking it out.

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Re: My methods to quality and quantity [Re: J.Dizzle]
    #12606115 - 05/21/10 07:43 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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i believe by having what is basically a monotub with a vaccum attached, you are actually creating the problems you describe.

pumping in humid air is always going to be better than sucking it out.




i evacuate the gasses while introducing fresh air from the room, whats wrong with that? its always worked well, the problem isn't in the chambering. The problem was in the casing!!! I had to use dolomitic lime since horticultural wasn't around...that definitely had a negative effect. I'm back to proper lime in my mix and hopefully will have much better results shortly.


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