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Re: Gun Control [Re: Xlea321]
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Is this really your best shot? Relying on guys who want to impress Jodie Foster for your liberty?


Alex, in case you forgot, you asked, "Could drug users bring down Bush right now with their handguns?" I gave an obvious example of someone using a .22 handgun (less fire power than what you obsess with, the .38 special). If a person can use a .22 to bring down the president, certainly a .38 special could do a better job. But since you have demonstrated no knowledge of firearms, strategy or tactics I don't expect you to understand.

Why do you dwell on .38 specials? Because you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to weapons. You are ignorant. Answer me this, if firearms are so ineffectual, why do you want to see them banned? If they are so harmless, why are you so afraid of them? If they are so useless, why do governments want to take them out of the hands of the private citizen? You fail to see the basic contradictions in your own thought processes.

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Don't you think these people are aware that people might want to take them down? Maybe that's why they have armies and cops armed to the teeth?


Think Alex, think, even with having armies and cops 'armed to the teeth' as you say, why do they want to ban firearms from the hands of private citizens? Because they are a threat to the designs of an overreaching government. Just because you think it's better to bend over and take it like a compliant well worn prison punk instead of asserting your independence, doesn't mean that that's the preferred way of life for the rest of us.


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.

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Re: Gun Control [Re: Xlea321]
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There are more civilians than there are military. If more and more people wanted to stand against the government it could be done. I am not just talking about handguns vs. military using full auto m16's. I am talking about people who do not want to see the govt. make them slaves. And these people can get rifles and gear. We dont need to have tanks and jets and all that bullshit. And even if I was trying to fight a tank, at least I would be fighting and not just running away and bowing down.

But lets be honest, there are too many people with the opinion that the govt. is all powerful and they dont mind just laying down when dictated to. On the other hand there are people that will fight for thier constitutional rights. I dont know if the govt. could actually ever be overthrown and I am not trying to advocate that. What I am trying to say is that the govt. can remain as long as they do not overstep my freedom.

Now I want you to also understand that TODAY you may think that your government is doing its job and everything. But unless you really look into it you dont see how corrupt and evil your govt. is. Now, if things are allowed to progress then TOMORROW you will most likely change your mind when military men are storming your home, and stealing from you all in the name of "protecting your freedoms".

I mean seriously look at how much the constitution has been broken down. Why do you think there is such a strong push to take guns out of the hands of the public? To stop crime? no. To make sure no one will resist.

I am not talking about things as they are right now. But what I am trying to shed light on is the fact that if you do not give any resistance then things just get worse and worse. And by the time people are carrying your ass off to a concentration camp it is too late. And if you think "oh this is america its not possible" I hope you would just do a search on "police state" and try and find some websites where you can see how the police are being militarized. I mean this is really happening. Its not like I am just a govt. hater and want to try to fight a tank with a handgun. No, your govt. will tearn down your freedoms if no one owns a gun. You have to be able to fight back no matter what.

The most suprising thing about this is the way you seem to be so willing to just lay down even with the history of governments on this earth overrunning the people. Its like you can see the same thing going on, but because its in your country you dont think its possible.

If the govt. where running a "gun sweep" where they go home to home in a neighborhood to steal guns from people, I will fight back and die. Yes, I know I cant defeat 12+ men with full auto, but then again you never know I can put up a good fight. And if you dont think this is going to happen WAKE up!

you could look at some pictures of this on the web site www.infowars.com
Or search for the military operation - "operation urban warrior"

I mean really why would there be such an operation?

I think pictures are pretty convincing proof.

By the way you can order kits and build Ar-15's for abour $650. Thats not too bad, have to be post ban parts though.

I think the constitution is worth fighting for.


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Re: Gun Control [Re: Evolving]
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Alex, in case you forgot, you asked, "Could drug users bring down Bush right now with their handguns?"

A question you have yet to answer. Seeing as we have had a good 70 years of persecution of drug users clearly this is a point you darn't address.

If a person can use a .22 to bring down the president

Bring down is a teensy bit of an exaggeration. Even if Reagan had been killed the vice-president would have taken over and continued the exact same policies.

Why do you dwell on .38 specials?

Oh, so you could bring down the governement with a .44? Which handgun could you take on the US marines with pray tell.

why do governments want to take them out of the hands of the private citizen?

To stop maniacs walking into schools and blowing away 17 kids?

Because they are a threat to the designs of an overreaching government.

Don't be silly. Bush isn't worried in the slightest about persecuted drug users "taking over" with their handguns. I doubt the thought has ever crossed his mind. That's how much of a "threat" he considers it.

Just because you think it's better to bend over and take it like a compliant well worn prison punk

Actually the drug laws are more relaxed in the UK (where no-one has guns) than they are in the US. It's clear who the ones in prison pink are...


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Re: Gun Control [Re: BowlKiller]
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I think the constitution is worth fighting for.

You know what would really terrify Bush? Unions. Strong, organised labour willing to strike and destroy his government that way. A lot simpler than trying to take on the marines and far, far more effective than taking potshots at presidents.


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Re: Gun Control [Re: Xlea321]
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Why do you dwell on .38 specials?


Oh, so you could bring down the governement with a .44? Which handgun could
you take on the US marines with pray tell.

Keep in mind that there have been very successful rebel movements who
were hopelessly outgunned by their opponents. But, because of guerilla tactics,
they managed to fight well and sometimes even win.

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