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l.ron.cupboard
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mycobag help...to case or not to case
#12571526 - 05/16/10 04:21 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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i have a mycobag that's fairly well colonised but i'm still not sure as to whether or not i should case now because you can still see the rye in parts...any advice on this would be much appreciated because this is my first time growing and you know, we all need a little help at times no?
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Re: mycobag help...to case or not to case [Re: l.ron.cupboard]
#12571766 - 05/16/10 07:12 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mycobags are polypropylene autoclavable filter patch bags. If you want advice, you'll have to say what's IN the bags. RR
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l.ron.cupboard
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Re: mycobag help...to case or not to case [Re: RogerRabbit]
#12572191 - 05/16/10 10:05 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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crap...i thought i'd replied to this already but obviously made a mistake
anyway...in the bag is a P.Cubensis strain...i (stupidly) started it off sometime in december and hoped that leaving the bag in the same space as my heater might create a high enough ambient temperature to get things going, after a few weeks i realised that this wasn't going to happen and promptly forgot about the bag until the end of march
at this point i was pleasantly surprised to find that myceleum had started forming but to get to the stage the bag's at now (say 75-80% colonised at a guess) has taken about six weeks
so to reiterate...would it be worth casing now or should i give it a little more time to try and get the optimum growth? would letting new air into the bag help speed up the growth?
i'd post a picture but i can't get a good enough shot because of the reflectivity of the bag and moisture inside it
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Re: mycobag help...to case or not to case [Re: l.ron.cupboard]
#12572223 - 05/16/10 10:13 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think you should crumble it up with your hands and shake while it's still in bad, then after 1-2 weeks (and get yourself a wireless thermometer at walmart for 20 bucks for god's sakes) if it's not fully colonized you could open it inside a well designed and very sterile glovebox and QUICKLY mix it with sterilized vermiculite that has been brought to just under field capacity with 25% H2O2, 25% pond water, 50% distilled water that has been filtered, pc'd, and filtered again)
At least that's how I would try to make the casing.
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Re: mycobag help...to case or not to case [Re: l.ron.cupboard]
#12572508 - 05/16/10 11:20 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Is it one of the pre-sterilized bags designed for fruiting as well? You may want to do that for the first flush, and case for the subsequent flushes. That way you're guaranteed at least some mushrooms, and you'll get to experiment with casing as well.
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l.ron.cupboard
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hmm...look, it's not like i don't appreciate the help (but could do without the condescending attitude when it comes to temperature measurement equipment) but what you have to realise is that i've essentially just bought an allegedly easy to use grow kit online and have taken things from there
my equipment consists of a bag of sterilised rye and and accompanying bag of vermiculite and small humidity tent...while i'd love to one day be caressing my very own well designed and sterile glovebox it just doesn't exist at the moment and i just have to make do
dig?
(to ninja shroomer...your message just came in as a was composing the last one...it is a pre sterilised bag yes...are you recommending that i get on with the next step, i.e. cut the top off the bag and add the vermiculite? thanks for the help anyway)
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Re: mycobag help...to case or not to case [Re: l.ron.cupboard]
#12572702 - 05/16/10 12:03 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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If it's just a rye bag, I'd say go straight to casing, especially if you've already got the vermiculite. You could probably case in the bag if you need to, but a container might be better.
I don't think you'll need to worry all that much about contaminants or glove boxes at this point since the mycelium has essentially taken over the bag. The vermiculite is probably sterilized/pasteurized too.
You may want to wait a few more days to see if it will colonize any further, or maybe post a picture of the bag so some of the more experienced members can give you some more advice.
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Re: mycobag help...to case or not to case [Re: Ragnarokkr]
#12573178 - 05/16/10 01:35 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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thanks for the advice...i think i'll step it up on my birthday this week
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Re: mycobag help...to case or not to case [Re: l.ron.cupboard]
#12575830 - 05/16/10 09:45 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Inter-wet has no tone of voice control! Most people try to get by without a thermometer, not a good idea!! Sry if I come across poorly.
Really though, crumbling the substrate up while it's in the bag (i.e. don't open the bag to do this) is a very good thing to do if it starts stalling when near completion. That way you will know if, a couple weeks later, if it's gonna colonize anymore. The colony (and remember a fungal mass is a colony of lifeforms not a signal life form) will get all mixed up and they will be forced to make new friends and exchange DNA with new 'partners,' and that's never a bad idea!
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l.ron.cupboard
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and thanks to you sir for the advice...apologies for my harsh tone earlier
unfortunately, as i said earlier, my lack of 'equipment' means that at this stage in my cultivating hobby i have to just get on with it at an amateur level and hope for the best
if anyone reads this and believes in the power of prayer (belief pattern optional, i try not to discriminate...except for catholics maybe) then please feel free to send one my way...thanks
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