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Re: The Official Boxing Discussion Thread [Re: Khii Khwaay] * 1
    #16779292 - 09/02/12 11:18 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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I mean, this would have been a big money PPV fight long before now, with room left in both fighter's careers for more big money rematches. Why hasn't it happened yet?




My theory is, and it's just a theory, but I believe both fighters actually prefer it to be well removed from their primes. That way a loss doesn't hurt their legacy nearly as much. Them and their fans can always point to that as an excuse. So in the end they'll get the money and will each have built in excuses. Again, it's just a wild and baseless theory by myself, but really kind of believe it. I mean lets face it -- both have been notorious cherry pickers.

As for what I think would happen -- I'd pull for Manny, but like I said, I think Floyd's defensive style is built for the long haul. I think he'd probably wins (if not cruises) to a decision victory.

And I also believe that had Floyd & Manny fought when Pac was disfiguring Margarito's face, walking through Miguel Cotto as if he were construction paper, and murdering Ricky Hatton -- I think that Pacquiao walks down Floyd. I really do.

But yeah, I enjoy watching both fight. Every time they fight I dish out the 65 bucks. Every single time.


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Re: The Official Boxing Discussion Thread [Re: Niffla] * 1
    #16779396 - 09/02/12 11:39 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

That's a really interesting theory, I've never thought of it that way.

As for who wins, I'd definately be pulling for Manny too. I have a hard time picking a winner, because I have a hard time picturing either one of them losing. I guess the last JMM fight was iffy, and I've not seen any footage of his losses early in his career, but I've never seen Manny legit lose a fight. And Roid is undefeated...

I think you're right though. The Ricky Hatton Pac would have beaten (or destroyed) Money. Senator Pac?

Manny seems distracted now... but I guess Floyd is too, with jail and all that.


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Re: The Official Boxing Discussion Thread [Re: Khii Khwaay] * 1
    #16779605 - 09/03/12 12:46 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Yea im a huge Manny fan...and would hope he could make it a fight.But Floyd would destroy Manny.I could see Many hitting the canvas.Manny strugles with good defenders and good counter punches(JMM perfect example.)No one is better at those two them Mayweather.I really hope it goes down next year.Lol maybe Floyds 3mill hit sat might get him in Money mode again lol.


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Re: The Official Boxing Discussion Thread [Re: Solo_Dolo] * 1
    #16779616 - 09/03/12 12:51 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I think it Mannys "down fall"(lets keep it clear he still is a great fight but he hasnt looked the same as maybe 3 years ago) might be Freddy Roach.

I LOVE Freddy Roach.But man...his fighters are not getting better and always struggle with defense.Khan really needs to dump him.Peter Quillin is a dif story cuz he is just a Beast.

You really have to think if Roaches illness is affecting his training more?


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Re: The Official Boxing Discussion Thread [Re: Solo_Dolo] * 1
    #16779643 - 09/03/12 01:01 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Sometimes I wonder about this myself. I also noticed that his pre-fight warmup for the Bradley match almost completely excluded Freddie. Maybe Manny's lost confidence in him, too.


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Re: The Official Boxing Discussion Thread [Re: Solo_Dolo] * 1
    #16779675 - 09/03/12 01:10 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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Yea im a huge Manny fan...and would hope he could make it a fight.But Floyd would destroy Manny.I could see Many hitting the canvas.Manny strugles with good defenders and good counter punches(JMM perfect example.)No one is better at those two them Mayweather.I really hope it goes down next year.Lol maybe Floyds 3mill hit sat might get him in Money mode again lol.




I agree that Floyd would likely win, but I really couldn't see Pacquiao getting knocked down. I mean the last time dude was knocked down was I believe like 12 years ago. Since then he hasn't come even close. And Floyd's power is pretty good but certainly not spectacular. Hell as many great, square shots that Marquez tagged Manny with over the course of their trilogy -- Manny never went down once. Not a single time. In the meanwhile Marquez got the ten count on four occasions during their three bouts.


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Re: The Official Boxing Discussion Thread [Re: Niffla] * 1
    #16779695 - 09/03/12 01:17 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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Yea im a huge Manny fan...and would hope he could make it a fight.But Floyd would destroy Manny.I could see Many hitting the canvas.Manny strugles with good defenders and good counter punches(JMM perfect example.)No one is better at those two them Mayweather.I really hope it goes down next year.Lol maybe Floyds 3mill hit sat might get him in Money mode again lol.




I agree that Floyd would likely win, but I really couldn't see Pacquiao getting knocked down. I mean the last time dude was knocked down was I believe like 12 years ago. Since then he hasn't come even close. And Floyd's power is pretty good but certainly not spectacular. Hell as many great, square shots that Marquez tagged Manny with over the course of their trilogy -- Manny never went down once. Not a single time. In the meanwhile Marquez got the ten count on four occasions during their three bouts.



Morales knocked him down a couple time in their first fight...and been ROCKED by JMM.Floyd WHOOPED JMM.Idk Floyd alot faster and stronger..idk wouldnt shock me to see Manny get dropped.

Floyd gotta get a tune up fight.Or something.He said he was gonna fight twice this year.Well see.


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Re: The Official Boxing Discussion Thread [Re: Niffla] * 1
    #16779697 - 09/03/12 01:17 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

And yeah, Roach seems to be rapidly declining. But I will say this: he deserves zero blame for the Khan demolition at the hands of Garcia.

Roach told him multiple times to use his reach and not trade with Garcia. So what did Amir do? Trade with Garcia. Khan wanted to knock him out for all the stuff Garcia's Dad was saying. He took it very personally; it got in his head.

I still believe to this day that had Khan fought his usual style that he would have cruised past Garcia. There was no way Danny could get inside with Khan's reach. The only chance Danny had was for Amir to open up and trade. Khan played right into their hands that night.


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Re: The Official Boxing Discussion Thread [Re: Solo_Dolo] * 1
    #16779730 - 09/03/12 01:32 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I think one of the reasons that Manny has trouble with Marquez is that JMM has more experience fighting Manny than anyone else does.

I don't see Floyd knocking down Manny, either. He couldn't knock out Cotto, and Sugar Shane almost had him in the second round. Both fighters that Pac demolished.

My guess is decision Floyd. I'd really like to see him get KTFO before he retires, though. Bernard Hopkins too.


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    #16779748 - 09/03/12 01:39 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

True.But Manny fought Cottoa at a catch weight.Manny didnt want no part of a 154 Cotto.
And manny and floyd both whooped shuga shane.
Naw...its all match ups.Marquez and fighters with his skill are trouble Manny.


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    #16779754 - 09/03/12 01:42 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

And ya know, it wouldn't shock me at all if Manny found a way against Floyd. I'm with public opinion that the odds aren't in his favor, but fucking Manny is a gamer. He thrives in that underdog role -- that me against the world mentality. And that's a role he really hasn't had in a while, and certainly for the first time in a LONG time he'd be a sizable dog if he and Floyd were to step in the ring.

And you know that crowd would be pro-Manny. Hell the crowd was pro-Cotto against Floyd. Half the people that buy Floyd's fights buy them in hopes that he'll lose. Pacquiao would feed off that atmosphere. If he were to catch Floyd (and granted this would be the near impossible part) leaving that door cracked a tad...allowing Manny to unleash one of those vintage Pacquiao flurries...I mean who knows.

Wouldn't shock me at all.


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Re: The Official Boxing Discussion Thread [Re: Solo_Dolo] * 1
    #16779759 - 09/03/12 01:45 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Guilty. You're right, the matchup game doesn't work. That's why I'm pissed that they've been dragging this out for so long.... all we've got to go by is their previous fights.

And that's why we've got to see them actually in the ring together.


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    #16814640 - 09/09/12 12:08 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Man. Ward outclassed Dawson. I give all the cred in the world to Chad. But weight discussion aside, CD got dominated.


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    #16815334 - 09/09/12 05:02 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Was very impressive win for Ward.damn.


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    #16818289 - 09/09/12 04:29 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I think it's almost time to put Ward in the pound for pound discussion. If Martinez loses next Saturday -- Ward will almost assuredly be the new #3 in the world.

Hell he was already around #5 coming into the Dawson fight.


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    #16849557 - 09/15/12 01:32 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Tomorrow's fight

Canelo Alavarez vs. Joseito Lopez

I am thinking Canelo will probably mop the ring with Lopez, but a lot of us though the same thing with Victor Ortiz and it ended up being one of the best, most electric fights I have seen in some time

Who you picking tomorrow?


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Re: The Official Boxing Discussion Thread [Re: KillerPicklez] * 1
    #16849585 - 09/15/12 01:46 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I feel the same way you do about the outcome...but I'll be pulling hard for Josesito. But this time he unfortunately won't have the benefit of sneaking up on his opponent.

And don't forget about the headliner on HBO PPV tomorrow...



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    #16849614 - 09/15/12 01:58 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I will be watching college football all day and I dont know any places out here that have the fights on. Even the Casino's out here dont show the fights. I have no idea why but they dont. Actually, I do know 1 bar that will have the fight on, but I am not sure which one.

I got my Sun Devils playing @ Missouri tomorrow afternoon, so depending on whether they win or loss will determine whether I feel like going out to the bar to watch boxing :lol:

Just heard as well that Paciquao has his fight set for Marquez IV on December 5th. I think I would have rather seen him rematch Timothy Bradley, but whatever. Paci is a juicer


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Re: The Official Boxing Discussion Thread [Re: KillerPicklez] * 1
    #16849708 - 09/15/12 02:49 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

The juicer tag on Pacquiao to me is a shame. The guy has the same drug testing that the entire world of boxing does. The same ones that Floyd Mayweather does. Has he failed any? Floyd planted the seed though in the minds of the public though, and now everybody believes it. And lmao, Floyd's reasoning was that there's no possible way a little asian "could beat guys like Hatton & Cotto worse than me".

Until he fails a test, like Lamont Peterson and others have done so in the past, I have no reason to believe that Pac is on steroids. It's all just baseless speculation.


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    #16849733 - 09/15/12 02:56 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

What was his intro weight compared to where he's at now?


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