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OfflineShamanSean
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New weed anti smoking ad
    #1256176 - 01/28/03 02:59 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

I heard on the radio the other day this new weed anti smokin ad. It said that weed has like double the tar and shit in it and crap. I dont know if ne of this is tru. wat do u all think.


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Re: New weed anti smoking ad [Re: ShamanSean]
    #1256257 - 01/28/03 03:20 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

so buy a vaporizer if your worried


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OfflineTruBallin420
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Re: New weed anti smoking ad [Re: Bavet]
    #1256282 - 01/28/03 03:31 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

I heard part of it earlier today. I dunno if that tar bullshit is true but i know that Marijuana does not cause cancer so they can fuck off. And were.....Still smokin

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Re: New weed anti smoking ad [Re: ShamanSean]
    #1256322 - 01/28/03 03:50 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

From what I've gathered (and I could be wrong, though I think for the most part this is true), marijuana has a significantly higher amount of tar (two times or greater) as well as having a greater affinity for sticking to your lung tissue.  At the same time, THC is a bronchial dialator.

So what does this mean?  Well, here's my take on it.

Smoking marijuana Vs. tobacco gram for gram are most likely equally as dangerous (though marijuana does contain more tar, cigarettes also contain hundreds of added chemicals - many of which are carcinogenic).  But here's the catch, cigarette smokers who smoke half a pack a day are likely smoking 10 grams... now I don't know about you, but I sure as hell don't smoke 10 grams of herb in a day.  This is why, in my opinion, you don't see cancer deaths reported from marijuana though I'm sure if you smoked enough that you could.

Now, since THC is a broncial dialator, that means that it essentially opens up your lungs and allows for greater absorbtion of oxygen.  So what's the obvious answer ladies and gents?  Either oral or vaporized THC is the way to go! Via this method, there is no combustion and thus no tars and no carcinogens, plus you get all the beneficial aspects of the THC  :cool:
   


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Re: New weed anti smoking ad [Re: ShamanSean]
    #1256350 - 01/28/03 04:02 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Marijuana is definately not healthy for your body. You've got to live a little, though.

Also, any lung damage which isn't fatal can repair itself. Yes, that's right, your lungs repair themselves. Your brain does not, however, there has not been any conclusive evidence that Marijuana causes any brain damage. There has, however, been evidence that alcohol does...


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OfflineShamanSean
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Re: New weed anti smoking ad [Re: geokills]
    #1256368 - 01/28/03 04:11 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Thats a good point. O and dont get me wrong, im still smokin, i just never heard about this and wanted to ask around about it.


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Re: New weed anti smoking ad [Re: ShamanSean]
    #1256421 - 01/28/03 04:28 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Er, right, I think I should point out that marijuana does not cause any *permanent* brain damage. Most studies conclude that it lowers IQ for about a week, though I imagine certain individuals have differing opinions on that..


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Re: New weed anti smoking ad [Re: CeeEssGee]
    #1256442 - 01/28/03 04:38 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

There's a lot of bullshit going around about marijuana. I like to think of myself as an unbiased expert when it comes to weed.

I just sent freevibe.com a very lengthy email debunking everything they state. If you have the time, I highly suggest you go to freevibe.com and check out the "facts" about marijuana..you won't believe your eyes. They tell pure likes, yall. Pure lies. For instance, they claim marijuana will make you 5 times more likely to steal and 4 times more likely to commit a violent act of rage. Aint that some shit?

Does weed have tar? Yes, of course. And of course ANY smoke you inhale into your lungs isn't gonna be incredibly good for your health.

The only negative side effect that comes along with smoking weed that hasn't been debunked is clouded memory. And I mean, if you smoke a blunt every now and then, nothing's gonna happen. It takes years and years of CONSTANT weed smoking to do that to ya.

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Re: New weed anti smoking ad [Re: Bavet]
    #1256507 - 01/28/03 05:05 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

u won't get as high w/ a vaporizer, And it doesn't burn the bud completely. I used to have one. Get a bong, vaperizer is waste of money.


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Re: New weed anti smoking ad [Re: ShamanSean]
    #1256531 - 01/28/03 05:20 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

I wouldn't be so sure monotone. I've seen evidence that drugs can negatively affect a person's personality. Ie, more likely to steal, cheat, lie, etc.

Just because it doesn't happen to you, doesn't mean it doesn't happen...


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Re: New weed anti smoking ad [Re: monotone]
    #1256549 - 01/28/03 05:25 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

As far as freevibe is concerned, I chalk it up to a lost cause. Their goal is to discourage drug use, so they'll use any tactic necessary - including misinformation.

But I have a lotta beef with Cracka_X's statment on vaporizors.

My AromaZap has afforded me with healthy smoke and up to twice the efficiency a bong/pipe/joint has. Granted, it's a slightly different high due to the few alkaloids that are not activated through the 250-some degree heat of the vaporizor. However, THC-wise, the vaporizor is extremely efficient, much moreso than combustion. You, my friend, have not been using the right vapes, or have not been using them correctly.


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Re: New weed anti smoking ad [Re: geokills]
    #1256631 - 01/28/03 06:03 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

i believe that when they test for tar they compare tobacco leaves with marijuana leaves, the marijuana leaves do contain way more tar than tobacco, but who smokes leaves? the bud only has 1/3 the tar of the leaves

plus the fact that tobacco is radioactive and the bronchial closing effect and the insoluble tars hold the radioactive isotopes up against your lung tissue for years

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Re: New weed anti smoking ad [Re: ShamanSean]
    #1256912 - 01/28/03 08:00 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

I read on erwig that when u smoke u get those cancerous cells that everyone is so worried about(Smoking in general) But the problem with cigs is they contain nicotine. Ur body naturaly disposes of the cancerous cells UNLESS u have smoke cigs and have nicotine in u. Nicotine Causes these cancerous cells to build up and build up until there are so many they cause watever. just goto erowig and read up on it, theres tons of info.


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Re: New weed anti smoking ad [Re: SubGen1us]
    #1256995 - 01/28/03 09:30 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Well weed aint that good for you, it does lower IQ, screw up your memory, makes you lazy and sorta kill all your emotions. I remember reading some where that cannabis is also sort of self medication for people who are depressed.

Basicly I have had to cut down cos of uni and the fact that its makeing me one lazy bastard with no memory.


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Re: New weed anti smoking ad [Re: EvilGir]
    #1257241 - 01/29/03 12:56 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

For genuine research about cannabis and info about its benefits and dangers can be found here www.letfreedomgrow.com the home of the american alliance for medicinal cannabis (AAMC).There is a lot of great info on oral preparations from cookies to tinctures and a syrup. WR :wink:


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Re: New weed anti smoking ad [Re: geokills]
    #1257341 - 01/29/03 02:41 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

I've got an Aromazap as well.. I too can vouch that it does not get me any less stoned than smoking does. The high is a little cleaner, and it really lets you taste your herb. I also save up all of the used material and use it to cook with. I can get 12 potent pieces of cake out of 15-16 grams... Usually when people have a problem with vaporizors it is because they bought a globe one from the local head shop. There are several quality convection style vaporizors online that work wonderfully. They cost about as much as a nice glass piece but your lungs are worth the $100.

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vaporizers [Re: NeonBlack]
    #1257646 - 01/29/03 05:40 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

as far as vaporizers go, i have an ETERRA, which while expensive, is really nice. you do use a lot less to get high, and there is zero smell at all, so you can use it in non-smoking places without an issue. it does take longer to do though, so as nice as it is i sometimes get frusterated and just smoke it anyway.
another thing-- my friend took all the 'used' leaves and smoked them again, so he got high twice off the same weed. i should try baking it though-- that would probably work way better.


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Re: New weed anti smoking ad [Re: ShamanSean]
    #1257845 - 01/29/03 06:43 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

My outlook on weed is this. I smoke everyday practically. Sometimes before school, and definitely after school. I maintain fairly good grades, and I am going to college next year. If anything has happened to me from smoking pot, I think it is that I have only gained knowledge. Pot causes me to really analyze things. To really really think about them, get every aspect. Pot is good.


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Re: New weed anti smoking ad [Re: geokills]
    #1257848 - 01/29/03 06:44 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

I just read freevibe, that was pretty funny stuff.

I think some of the links they make between marijuana and crime/etc. are not completely wrong.  I think what they do is completely misrepresent the studies they are going from.  What I mean is, they say "people who smoke marijuana...." they don't say "marijuana causes people....".

Now look at what exactly they are saying.  People who are more likely to take risks, are probably going to be more likely to take the risk of smoking marijuana.  A person who disobeys laws against violence, disobeys laws against theivery, or doesn't buy into school, then yes, these rebelious people are probably more likely to take the risk of getting arrested with marijuana.

People who do bad things smoke marijuana, its a case of people who are more apt to disregard laws.  Marijuana itself does not cause ANY of these things, but is only related to those who commit illegal acts because marijuana is illegal.

Get what I'm sayin? :laugh: 

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Re: New weed anti smoking ad [Re: Amber_Glow]
    #1257898 - 01/29/03 07:00 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

My outlook on weed is this. I smoke everyday practically. Sometimes before school, and definitely after school. I maintain fairly good grades, and I am going to college next year. If anything has happened to me from smoking pot, I think it is that I have only gained knowledge. Pot causes me to really analyze things. To really really think about them, get every aspect. Pot is good.





Yeah but its when you have been smokeing for 10 years straight the problems start.


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Re: New weed anti smoking ad [Re: EvilGir]
    #1257923 - 01/29/03 07:07 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

oh. Well when I reach ten years, I will keep you posted on my opinion.


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Re: New weed anti smoking ad [Re: ShamanSean]
    #1257935 - 01/29/03 07:14 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Just use a fucking bong.....


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Re: New weed anti smoking ad [Re: Necron99]
    #1258086 - 01/29/03 08:09 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

I have been a HEAVY med user(3-5g/daily) for over 25yrs and can unequivocaly state that cannabis has done me far more good than harm.I have untarnished lungs and excellent exercise capacity despite a major heart defect.My cognition is excellent as well as my memory.Cannabis is proving to be a major ANTI-TUMOR substance and NO permanent damage to the body or mind can be proven by any credible studies. For all of the research which backs this up go to www.letfreedomgrow.com for more information on the facts regarding cannabis use. :wink:WR


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Re: New weed anti smoking ad [Re: Amber_Glow]
    #1258264 - 01/29/03 09:01 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Nice observation.. I was thinking the same thing. That website is fucking hilarious.
"Being high on cocaine and crack, or pursuing the next hit, often results in violence, car crashes, falls, burns, and drowning."
What the fuck?

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Re: New weed anti smoking ad [Re: Amber_Glow]
    #1258320 - 01/29/03 09:22 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

And they're talkin about the people who get caught. People pull off all kinds of shit and dont get caught up for it, they cant factor in those people into thier statistics.


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Re: New weed anti smoking ad [Re: ShamanSean]
    #1258401 - 01/29/03 09:49 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Just thought I'd add this from Freevibe.com:
martycraktooth
I am 12 years old and i have done every drug you can imange from pot to Crack to herion my 15 year brother dided of an LSD over dose yesterday and today I have Desided to Quit it all.


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Re: New weed anti smoking ad [Re: geokills]
    #1258473 - 01/29/03 10:20 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

LEAD 210 is the Chemical which is attributed to Lung Caner (atleast by most current researchers) Lead 210 is found in all Tobacco related products, but it is not found in Raw Bud, or a chemical created by the combustion of Bud. So in short marijuana does not cause cancer, and tobacco smoke does.


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Re: New weed anti smoking ad [Re: BladeLSD]
    #1258729 - 01/29/03 11:20 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

My best bud no longer smokes weed. Very rarely dose he take a hit nowdays since i turned him on to eating it in foods made with cannabutter. He will take about a joints worth heat it up in butter n add it to whatever. He says hes high all day if he dose it in the morning and enjoys the feeling more. Smoking it (the crap we get around here) is ussually harsh on his voice. Hes our lead singer and lead gutairist. You can deffinatly tell a difference in his singing when he would smoke alot of herb.

I'd love to be able to just eat it or only smoke kind buds. But since I dont have room or privacy to grow it yet i stick to smoking it to conserve my herb.


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Re: New weed anti smoking ad [Re: CeeEssGee]
    #1259964 - 01/29/03 06:38 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

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.  Most studies conclude that it lowers IQ for about a week, though I imagine certain individuals have differing opinions on that.. 




Well I've been smoking for 34 years my iq must be lower than an earthworm's :grin: :cool:


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Re: New weed anti smoking ad [Re: Hongosmeester]
    #1260544 - 01/30/03 03:16 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

i just couldnt resist!


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Re: New weed anti smoking ad [Re: Brugman]
    #1260766 - 01/30/03 04:57 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

From freevibe's list of "The Media: Ten Things to Think About":

#10. When you're surfing the Web, think about who put up the Web site you're looking at. Do they really know what they're talking about?

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Re: New weed anti smoking ad [Re: Viveka]
    #1260779 - 01/30/03 05:04 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Then again it was Dirty ROCKY, iw was smokeing for 10 years that shit is bad fuck knows what they put in to it. If i had some nice clean bud then yes it probably woudnt be as bad. But smokeing about 6 spliffs of that shit a day dosent help much.


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Re: New weed anti smoking ad [Re: IhatetheDEA]
    #1261316 - 01/30/03 08:16 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

"Well I've been smoking for 34 years my iq must be lower than an earthworm's"

Heh, it's not believed to be cumulative, and has a maximum average of around 10 points. So little that most people wouldn't be able to notice even after smoking themselves retarded for a year straight.


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