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Does this constitute standing water?
    #12547165 - 05/12/10 06:03 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

If I take the jar of WBS and tilt it and wait 10-15 seconds i will see a tiny itty bit of water collect on that corner. Too wet? It wasn't doing this yesterday before innoc


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Re: Does this constitute standing water? [Re: dyskon]
    #12547173 - 05/12/10 06:05 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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If I take the jar of WBS and tilt it and wait 10-15 seconds i will see a tiny itty bit of water collect on that corner. Too wet? It wasn't doing this yesterday before innoc




You kind of answered your own question. You should not have any extra/unabsorbed water in your grains. Even after innoculating. At least I never have.

What size jars are you using and how much innoculant did you use?


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Re: Does this constitute standing water? [Re: StainBlue]
    #12547174 - 05/12/10 06:07 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Erm.. I did?

Quart jars, 1cc per jar.

Maybe I'm just dense but I'm assuming that's a yes... start over? It seems all 14 jars are this way


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Re: Does this constitute standing water? [Re: dyskon]
    #12547185 - 05/12/10 06:11 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry, I edited the first post to clarify.

I would think they are slightly too wet. Anytime I've ever done grains I've never had any water pool in the slightest even when tilted etc. And with quart jars, 1cc shouldn't have caused the excess moisture to build up like that.

What was your process of preparing the grains?


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Re: Does this constitute standing water? [Re: StainBlue]
    #12547187 - 05/12/10 06:13 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Use a wire strainer, not plastic.


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Re: Does this constitute standing water? [Re: StainBlue]
    #12547192 - 05/12/10 06:15 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Soak overnight 24-30 hours, Drain on a big window screen spread out over two layers of bath towels for over two hours. Do the spoon test.. A few outliers (not many at all) still stick to the spoon, and it passes the RR toilet paper test. Throw it in the PC for 2 hours at 15 psi

When I shook them coming out of the PC they stuck like mad to the inside of the jar though.. Did not going in.

Edit: Spelling


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Re: Does this constitute standing water? [Re: dyskon]
    #12547203 - 05/12/10 06:23 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

What did I do wrong?


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Re: Does this constitute standing water? [Re: dyskon]
    #12547212 - 05/12/10 06:28 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Soak overnight 24-30 hours, Drain on a big window screen spread out over two layers of bath towels for over two hours. Do the spoon test.. A few outliers (not many at all) still stick to the spoon, and it passes the RR toilet paper test. Throw it in the PC for 2 hours at 15 psi

When I shook them coming out of the PC they stuck like mad to the inside of the jar though.. Did not going in.





You didn't mention rinsing them off several times. That has nothing to do with moisture content, I only mention it cause you said the grains "stuck like mad inside the jar." More rinsing/draining before the soak, after the soak should help with that.

Another thing you didn't mention was if you simmered them for 10-20 minutes before loading into jars? If your not currently doing this i'd recommend it. Getting the grains nice and hot like that will help the outside moisture evaporate away a lot easier once their all laid out to dry. If they're just room temp the water will take forever to evaporate and won't evaporate evenly. You want to rinse them immediately after the simmer too.

If all tests passed i.e. Toilet paper, spoon etc. Then it should have been dry enough on the outside to prevent the extra moisture. But like I've said there are a few other factors of preperation to consider as well.


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Re: Does this constitute standing water? [Re: StainBlue]
    #12547222 - 05/12/10 06:32 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Ok. Let me rephrase.

If you were me would you throw away 1.5 syringes of spores and start over because of this?

:-)


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Re: Does this constitute standing water? [Re: dyskon]
    #12547226 - 05/12/10 06:35 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Not yet.


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Re: Does this constitute standing water? [Re: dyskon]
    #12547229 - 05/12/10 06:39 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Ok. Let me rephrase.

If you were me would you throw away 1.5 syringes of spores and start over because of this?

:-)




I agree with doc_t. Not yet. The extra water does increase the possiblity of bacterial contams but only time will tell. Let them sit to colonize for a few days and check on them. Just keep a close eye on them.

I was just throwing out some ideas to help you in the future.


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Re: Does this constitute standing water? [Re: StainBlue]
    #12547291 - 05/12/10 07:08 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

It's possible your sterility was perfect and there's not a single microbe in the whole jar. If that's the case, the jars could still make it.

But it's highly improbable. Every single time I've made wbs too wet, I've gotten bacterial nastiness.

Good luck, but you should probably order some new spores sooner than later.

One can't emphasize enough the importance of thoroughly drying the grains after hydrating them, before they go in the cooker.


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Re: Does this constitute standing water? [Re: anonjon]
    #12550878 - 05/12/10 06:51 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Luckly I ordered more than I needed. I still have 3 more syringes of spores. Plenty to make a LC from


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Re: Does this constitute standing water? [Re: dyskon]
    #12551071 - 05/12/10 07:12 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Im pretty sure my conditions for sterility were pretty good. Gloves, face mask, hair net, copious amounts of 71% alcohol on every surface in and around the glove box (my house smelled like a still), needle flamed with a torch until red between every jar, all the jars PC'd for 2 hours instead of 90 minutes, 0.3 micron dry filters on every jar, all holes immediately sealed after inoculation.

If i get contams I'ma' lose it.

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Re: Does this constitute standing water? [Re: dyskon]
    #12551486 - 05/12/10 08:06 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

You can lay the jar sideways, turn it 1/4 turn once a day until the water absorbs.


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