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Re: Modified PF Tek - How much Stevia? [Re: Spongiform]
    #12548270 - 05/12/10 11:42 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Could you use tea?

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Re: Modified PF Tek - How much Stevia? [Re: insipidtoast]
    #12548540 - 05/12/10 12:48 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Could you use tea?




I would stick to grains and mineral supplements.


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Re: SPONGIFORM [Re: Spongiform]
    #12549101 - 05/12/10 02:20 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

So, I've heard about using coffee/water mix in the PF Tek but from what I've read coffee grounds shouldn't be used with BRF for jars. Would you recommend using coffee grounds along with gypsum to improve the substrate mix for the PF? Or should I just stick with verm, BRF, and gypsum?


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Re: SPONGIFORM [Re: Nyawinge]
    #12550475 - 05/12/10 06:01 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I read somewhere that someone uses 2:1:1 verm:grain flour:half strength coffee and added gypsum. I think thats what I'm going to try. Wish I had the source. Could look for it if you reeeeaally want.

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Re: SPONGIFORM [Re: Base Icks]
    #12553991 - 05/13/10 07:44 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Nah, you should stick to verm, quinoa flour and gypsum. Quinoa is the grain with the highest concentrations of tryptophan. There's threads about that.

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Re: SPONGIFORM [Re: Base Icks]
    #12553997 - 05/13/10 07:47 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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I read somewhere that someone uses 2:1:1 verm:grain flour:half strength coffee and added gypsum. I think thats what I'm going to try. Wish I had the source. Could look for it if you reeeeaally want.




You might want to throw some water in that shit too :smile:


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Re: SPONGIFORM [Re: CoreyRubble]
    #12554008 - 05/13/10 07:52 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Fuck water! Mushrooms don't need that!

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Re: SPONGIFORM [Re: insipidtoast]
    #12554024 - 05/13/10 08:00 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I read a paper by either Guzman or gartz that said higher dextrose=lower potency. At 10% dextrose malt agar there were no actives, thats a reason why I think stevia is a bad idea. Coffee grounds in pf is against everything pf stands for. You want high nutrition, and spent coffee grounds don't have much.

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Re: SPONGIFORM [Re: SomeGuy]
    #12554676 - 05/13/10 11:01 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I add coffee to all my pf mixes, but that's why I called it 'modified' pf mix.  I do so at a relatively low ratio.  2-3 tablespoons per quart of grain flour.

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You want high nutrition, and spent coffee grounds don't have much.




I'd like to see the evidence / data to support this statement.  Not saying you're wrong, but I'd like to see the basis for what you're saying.

I know that coffee definitely doesn't hurt.


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You might want to throw some water in that shit too




half strength coffee = Watered down coffee :-D


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Re: SPONGIFORM [Re: Spongiform]
    #12554769 - 05/13/10 11:19 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Before you try adding tryptophan to substrates do a quick search, you will find that your efforts are for nil.

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Seaweed is very high in tryptophan, and mushrooms grow on it quite well, once dried and shredded. I drove my truck down on the beach one night at low tide and filled up the back. However, I never could conclusively quantify that it made a bit of difference potency-wise.

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Gotta admit though, if we could chop up turkey meat and mix it with our substrates to improve potency, it would sure make things easy.


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Re: SPONGIFORM [Re: Numinosum]
    #12555835 - 05/13/10 02:50 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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You want high nutrition, and spent coffee grounds don't have much.


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I'd like to see the evidence / data to support this statement.  Not saying you're wrong, but I'd like to see the basis for what you're saying.

I know that coffee definitely doesn't hurt.
pH 6.9 Coffee ::: Ground Scroungers Info... I don't know how to post a link, this is what the post was called

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Re: SPONGIFORM [Re: SomeGuy]
    #12556001 - 05/13/10 03:23 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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You want high nutrition, and spent coffee grounds don't have much.


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I'd like to see the evidence / data to support this statement.  Not saying you're wrong, but I'd like to see the basis for what you're saying.

I know that coffee definitely doesn't hurt.
pH 6.9 Coffee ::: Ground Scroungers Info... I don't know how to post a link, this is what the post was called




Black coffee (brewed) has a ph in th 5 range. Now the ph of water is in the 7 range so a scoop of
unleached coffee should be less than 5 ph.
Now I forget how to use logarithms to figure out ph but if someone knows they could figure it out.


quick google search for ref.: http://www.sciencebuddies.org/science-fair-projects/project_ideas/Chem_AcidsBasespHScale.shtml


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Re: SPONGIFORM [Re: Numinosum]
    #12556111 - 05/13/10 03:41 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not sure what you're trying to say.  Spent coffee grounds should be about neutral (especially with my well water that has a high calcium content) but I don't see what that has to do with it's nutrient content. 

But now that you mention it I might try a PF block with nothing BUT coffee grounds and see how well it does.  Gonna pick up a 5 gallon bucket of grains from starbucks this weekend.


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Re: SPONGIFORM [Re: Spongiform]
    #12556138 - 05/13/10 03:47 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm not sure what you're trying to say.  Spent coffee grounds should be about neutral (especially with my well water that has a high calcium content) but I don't see what that has to do with it's nutrient content. 

But now that you mention it I might try a PF block with nothing BUT coffee grounds and see how well it does.  Gonna pick up a 5 gallon bucket of grains from starbucks this weekend.




From my understanding he is talking about using ground coffee beans... without leaching? (brewing) So not spent grounds, just coffee beans.

And claiming that it has a ph of 6.9?

maybe I misunderstood


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Re: SPONGIFORM [Re: Numinosum]
    #12556228 - 05/13/10 04:04 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

He said:

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You want high nutrition, and spent coffee grounds don't have much.




I said:

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I'd like to see the evidence / data to support this statement.  Not saying you're wrong, but I'd like to see the basis for what you're saying.

I know that coffee definitely doesn't hurt.




he replied:

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pH 6.9 Coffee ::: Ground Scroungers Info




So I'm not sure how the acidity relates to now nutritious it is.  Maybe saying the PH balance will have a negative impact?


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Re: SPONGIFORM [Re: Spongiform]
    #12556408 - 05/13/10 04:33 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Honestly I am kinda lost at where this conversation was going.

recap my position:

  • I am for spent coffee
  • I am against fresh coffee beans.


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Re: SPONGIFORM [Re: Spongiform]
    #12557045 - 05/13/10 06:22 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Spongiform said:
He said:

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You want high nutrition, and spent coffee grounds don't have much.




I said:

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I'd like to see the evidence / data to support this statement.  Not saying you're wrong, but I'd like to see the basis for what you're saying.

I know that coffee definitely doesn't hurt.




he replied:

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pH 6.9 Coffee ::: Ground Scroungers Info




So I'm not sure how the acidity relates to now nutritious it is.  Maybe saying the PH balance will have a negative impact?



thats just the name of the thread. It talks about the nitrogen(low)content and how basically it is low in nuts. I wasn't speaking about the ph, thats just the name of the thread

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Re: SPONGIFORM [Re: SomeGuy]
    #12560103 - 05/14/10 02:52 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, spongiform was correct. I meant half strength coffee as watered down coffee. I think we even had a discussion somewhere about what that means(recipe).

Anyways, looks like maybe this thread should be locked? Its a bit off topic.

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