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insipidtoast
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Modified PF Tek - How much Stevia?
#12545651 - 05/11/10 08:51 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Gonna do
1 cup quinoa flour 1 cup water 2 cups vermiculite.
How much Stevia extract powder should be added to this?
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Re: Modified PF Tek - How much Stevia? [Re: insipidtoast]
#12545659 - 05/11/10 08:53 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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None put in 1 tablespoon gypsum instead
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Re: Modified PF Tek - How much Stevia? [Re: Shea25]
#12545750 - 05/11/10 09:08 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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I was gonna add that as well. Thanks for letting me know how much.
Why do you recommend against stevia? Blue Helix swears by it.
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Re: Modified PF Tek - How much Stevia? [Re: Shea25]
#12545769 - 05/11/10 09:11 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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what exactly is it supposed to do? make you cakes taste sweeter?
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Re: Modified PF Tek - How much Stevia? [Re: Antii]
#12545797 - 05/11/10 09:16 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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blue helix also said that the stevia turned his bulk substrate into a bacterial disaster if you search for it and read the first page
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Re: Modified PF Tek - How much Stevia? [Re: CoreyRubble]
#12545806 - 05/11/10 09:17 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Also, I did a search, but couldn't find the answer. What's the recipe to have exactly the right amount of mixture for 12, 1/2 pint jars?
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Re: Modified PF Tek - How much Stevia? [Re: insipidtoast]
#12545870 - 05/11/10 09:31 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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for stevia? i dont know but he says in that thread that it ruined his substrate. i probably wouldn't use it.
stick to... 2c Verm 1c Water 1c Brown Rice Flour 1tbl Gypsum 5 1/2 pint jars
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Re: Modified PF Tek - How much Stevia? [Re: CoreyRubble]
#12546334 - 05/11/10 11:16 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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I just doubled the recipe, and the mixture turned out to be very very sticky/thick. With that amount 10 1/2 pint jars were supposed to be filled. I only filled 4.5 jars. Why is it not like how it should be?
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Re: Modified PF Tek - How much Stevia? [Re: insipidtoast]
#12546430 - 05/11/10 11:38 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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insipidtoast said: I just doubled the recipe, and the mixture turned out to be very very sticky/thick. With that amount 10 1/2 pint jars were supposed to be filled. I only filled 4.5 jars. Why is it not like how it should be?
because, from what others seemed to have say, It appears that it wasn't a good idea. and in fact it doesn't work.
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Re: Modified PF Tek - How much Stevia? [Re: TNK]
#12546537 - 05/12/10 12:03 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Modified PF Tek - How much Stevia? [Re: CoreyRubble]
#12546548 - 05/12/10 12:05 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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you have to leave from the rim up empty and you put dry verm to fill the rest. follow that tek you will be alright
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Re: Modified PF Tek - How much Stevia? [Re: CoreyRubble]
#12547711 - 05/12/10 09:27 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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I added about 2 tbsp extra of water, hoping to balance out the added gypsum and stevia. I only added 1 tsp of stevia per cup of quinoa flour.
I highly doubt the quinoa flour is added with a different ratio than BRF, because the rest of the jars I filled were of a nice consistency.
In conclusion, probably that little extra amount of water fucked it up. Well, if those jars actually end up colonizing, they'll be super jars.
I checked Blue Helix's post for Aussie Pan Cyans, searching on each page for the word stevia. Not once did I come across anything saying that stevia was responsible for contamination. Besides, in this situation it won't matter because we sterilize the entire contents of the jar. Maybe it's just another myth, but, in any case, as someone else mentioned, I'll at least have sweeter cakes!
Edited by insipidtoast (05/12/10 09:32 AM)
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Re: Modified PF Tek - How much Stevia? [Re: insipidtoast]
#12547751 - 05/12/10 09:38 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Blue Helix said: I just got done throwing away the biggest horse manure disaster I have ever seen as a direct result of adding Stevia leaves to my bulk substrate. And I believe if one adds Stevia to one's bulk substrate in the form of the extract, it will instantly turn into a bacterial nightmare just like it did for me.
I added 2% (per dry weight) Stevia leaf material as sold for tea (actually looked like tea leaves) to my horse manure prior to pasteurization. The pasteurization temperatures got too hot due to a malfunction in my oven. I am guessing the excessive heat must have released the sugars from the leaf. The result was almost instant and total destruction of 20 pounds of spawn that was spawned out at a rate of 35%. The whole mess smelled terrible in 8 hours. In 16 hours, it became so god awful that I had to throw it out.
If you want to know the effect of adding stevia leaves as I did or adding stevia extract, don't waste your money with stevia. Just pour in about 2% of granulated cane sugar. You'll get the idea (and smell it too).
I have no idea at all what Agar did to make his mushrooms stronger, but I can tell you he did NOT add Stevia leaf material in the consistency of tea leaves like I did.
And before someone tries to pin this to something else: the manure was, if anything, a bit on the dry side. I almost have never had trouble getting manure to colonize, and in my years of messing with manure, I have never had it so quickly go south. I once had manure start to colonize and not finish, but this is the first time I have had something this crazy happen.
My recommendations for anyone wanting to try this: unless you really want to gamble, forget about adding Stevia anything to your bulk substrate until someone like agar can tell you exactly what to do and where to get the exact leaf material he used.
Maybe this will help. it was in advanced mycology don't know if he was going for Pans but whatever.
Also this is for Bulk Subs. Not PF Tek.
Good Luck man i hope it turns out for you
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Re: Modified PF Tek - How much Stevia? [Re: CoreyRubble]
#12547773 - 05/12/10 09:42 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Stevia was claimed to enhance potency. But any such claims are generally bunk. It's a failed proposition from the get go, claiming that any additive enhances potency, because it's nigh impossible to measure the minor differences in potency between cubensis fruits. If you want super-potent mushrooms, grow a more potent species.
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Edited by anonjon (05/12/10 09:43 AM)
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Re: Modified PF Tek - How much Stevia? [Re: anonjon]
#12547795 - 05/12/10 09:47 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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I tried
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Re: Modified PF Tek - How much Stevia? [Re: CoreyRubble]
#12547812 - 05/12/10 09:52 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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CoreyRubble said:
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Blue Helix said: I just got done throwing away the biggest horse manure disaster I have ever seen as a direct result of adding Stevia leaves to my bulk substrate. And I believe if one adds Stevia to one's bulk substrate in the form of the extract, it will instantly turn into a bacterial nightmare just like it did for me.
I added 2% (per dry weight) Stevia leaf material as sold for tea (actually looked like tea leaves) to my horse manure prior to pasteurization. The pasteurization temperatures got too hot due to a malfunction in my oven. I am guessing the excessive heat must have released the sugars from the leaf. The result was almost instant and total destruction of 20 pounds of spawn that was spawned out at a rate of 35%. The whole mess smelled terrible in 8 hours. In 16 hours, it became so god awful that I had to throw it out.
If you want to know the effect of adding stevia leaves as I did or adding stevia extract, don't waste your money with stevia. Just pour in about 2% of granulated cane sugar. You'll get the idea (and smell it too).
I have no idea at all what Agar did to make his mushrooms stronger, but I can tell you he did NOT add Stevia leaf material in the consistency of tea leaves like I did.
And before someone tries to pin this to something else: the manure was, if anything, a bit on the dry side. I almost have never had trouble getting manure to colonize, and in my years of messing with manure, I have never had it so quickly go south. I once had manure start to colonize and not finish, but this is the first time I have had something this crazy happen.
My recommendations for anyone wanting to try this: unless you really want to gamble, forget about adding Stevia anything to your bulk substrate until someone like agar can tell you exactly what to do and where to get the exact leaf material he used.
Maybe this will help. it was in advanced mycology don't know if he was going for Pans but whatever.
Also this is for Bulk Subs. Not PF Tek.
Good Luck man i hope it turns out for you
Well there ya have it. That's regarding bulk substrate. Sterilized jars shouldn't be a problem unless a contam is introduced. So it's a moot point. Nevertheless, it's nice to know what happened in that situation, so I won't add stevia to any bulk substrates in the future. Thanks for posting that.
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Re: Modified PF Tek - How much Stevia? [Re: insipidtoast]
#12547857 - 05/12/10 10:08 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Modified PF Tek - How much Stevia? [Re: CoreyRubble]
#12547871 - 05/12/10 10:11 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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I use 2 parts vermiculite (3 if it's coarse instead of fine) 1 part grain flour 1 part water couple tablespoons of used coffee grains couple tablespoons of gypsum
Works well for me.
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Re: Modified PF Tek - How much Stevia? [Re: Spongiform]
#12547953 - 05/12/10 10:31 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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why do u add coffee grinds? i thot they speed colonization up, but slowed down fruiting with diminished yields? i read that on here somewhere, ill try to find it.
edit-well i found about adding coffee water, but it appears that grinds just take up space for more nutrious BRF. to each their own i guess.
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Re: Modified PF Tek - How much Stevia? [Re: Giggle_Grower]
#12548008 - 05/12/10 10:45 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Giggle_Grower said: why do u add coffee grains? i thot they speed colonization up, but slowed down fruiting with diminished yields? i read that on here somewhere, ill try to find it.
Spent coffee is an excellent growing medium. Some people grow solely on coffee grains. I drink a cup of coffee every day for breakfast so I always have some spent coffee handy ;-D
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