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Re: Newbie Some Advice needed if possible [Re: SomeGuy]
    #12553962 - 05/13/10 07:27 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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I never do let mine get that mature, too much water out of the substrate, plus my freinds are picky..."the vails gone? Wow these are older than my grandpa"




If you're only cultivating from the crop, a fruit with a non-broken veil is probably the better decision.

Just don't forget to take some spore prints;)

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Re: Newbie Some Advice needed if possible [Re: Fahkface]
    #12554049 - 05/13/10 08:09 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Hello,

Ok I went ahead and pick some shrooms today first attempt hopefully I did it some what right I have included pictures.

I got some good sized ones but a lot were very tiny I'm not sure why they are so small? The veils have broke on almost all of them to


Ok these are the left over cakes I'm pretty sure they aren't supposed to be left like this do I just pull all the remaining shrooms and then get most of the white growth off rinse and dunk again?

I also have a dehydrator I found at walmart it's an oster brand no temp control just a on and off switch. Do I put the picked shrooms in there right away or what process should I do?

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Re: Newbie Some Advice needed if possible [Re: amdgamer916]
    #12554084 - 05/13/10 08:22 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I really hope i didn't mess anything up my other cakes that have shrooms starting are a lot more fuller and better looking I'm thinking these are just my newbie cakes lol.


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Re: Newbie Some Advice needed if possible [Re: amdgamer916]
    #12554132 - 05/13/10 08:41 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

don't peel the white off, it's fine. Yea, take those off there! I save all of my babies, and put them in chocolates...THE BEST! 2 grams of those babies blind me for hours. When I see that a mushroom is going to be little, I go ahead and pick em, save the cake moisture.

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Re: Newbie Some Advice needed if possible [Re: SomeGuy]
    #12554157 - 05/13/10 08:49 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

ok so I'll just pick the rest of the shrooms then what? Do I then rinse off all the old vermiculite and then dunk for 24 hours? Also do I add another layer of vermiculite before I put it back in the chamber I have heard different thoughts on that.

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Re: Newbie Some Advice needed if possible [Re: amdgamer916]
    #12554177 - 05/13/10 08:55 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I try not to knock the verm. off. And I roll again. By the second and third time you do this, it will be thick enough to call it a casing, and it will hold enough water to supplement the drying cake. I find that as the cakes becomes more colonized, the water don't soak in as good, requiring longer dunks. I've done 48 hours under water with no probs. Plus if you got flies, it appears to drown them imo. I do 12 hours after the first flush and then 24 after the second and third. Just how I do it

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    #12554202 - 05/13/10 09:01 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

ok so does it require any rinsing at all or should I just remove and dunk again? I just don't want to mess anything up I'm sure people have different methods but I just want any advice from someone who has done it and has worked for them.

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Re: Newbie Some Advice needed if possible [Re: amdgamer916]
    #12554247 - 05/13/10 09:10 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I DON"T rinse them. that knocks the stuff off. I fill a pitcher with water and carefully set it in ther, then I take a coffee cup full of water  on top to hold it submerged. After the third nflush, if they seem really solid, I hold them under water with a fork and stab them with a knife. Take them straight from the water, let them drip a few times 15 seconds and a shake of the cakes, and roll

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Re: Newbie Some Advice needed if possible [Re: SomeGuy]
    #12554267 - 05/13/10 09:16 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Alright thank you. I went ahead and picked all the shrooms and the cakes are dunking right now for 12 hours. The shrooms I picked should I place in a dehydrator right now and run it till they are cracker dry?

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Re: Newbie Some Advice needed if possible [Re: amdgamer916]
    #12554344 - 05/13/10 09:48 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I dry mine on a rack, so I can't say from experience, one but every one else says yes. most say the heat is fine and some say turn te heat down if you can, or unhook the element. I don't think thats neccesary to unhook it. put your thermometer in there if it gets above( I hear varying reports)130-140 Thats too hot, less than that=good to go

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Re: Newbie Some Advice needed if possible [Re: SomeGuy]
    #12554617 - 05/13/10 10:50 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Rolling after the first flush is actually not advised, because the cake was standing in the FC all the time and it's likely for mold spores to have landed on it. When you cover it in verm again, it provides ideal conditions for the mold spores to germinate.

In general this isn't a problem, but it can be.

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130-140 Thats too hot, less than that=good to go




Parts of the fruits that I harvest are oven dried at 180°F for about half an hour (depending on the size and thickness of the fruits).
The temperature doesn't cause them to lose potency in a noticeable amount.
The speed of the drying process easily makes up for the increased chemical reaction the heat causes.

It really isn't a problem at all.

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Re: Newbie Some Advice needed if possible [Re: Fahkface]
    #12554765 - 05/13/10 11:18 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Ok so from everyone who grows that are helping me in my posts. After these cakes are completely done I want to expand my knowledge a bit and move on. I want to get some more yield I heard that you can get more yield different ways then from cakes. Whats some teks you all suggest? I really want to try to stay away from using poo and all the substrates like that I would like to make man made substartes I guess you could call it lol.

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Re: Newbie Some Advice needed if possible [Re: amdgamer916]
    #12554837 - 05/13/10 11:32 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

For the record: The yield to substrate amount ratio is best with cakes.

It's just the effort a cake takes to be made, that makes it not ideal for bigger crops.

When you don't want to deal with manure based substrates, get your hands on coir and gypsum.

If you have a pressure cooker you should make some grain jars, let them colonize.
Once they're colonized, you want break up the kernels and use them as a spawn for a mixture of coir/verm/gypsum.

Let this colonize completely once again and put it to fruiting conditions.

If you don't want to do grain jars, you can also use crumbled BRF-cakes to spawn them to bulk.

It's pretty easy actually.

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    #12554889 - 05/13/10 11:42 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Ok I have no problem doing the brf cakes but is crumbling them really worth it or should I just keep up the way I'm doing and just find ways to improve my yield?

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    #12554920 - 05/13/10 11:47 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Oh also forgot to ask I have my shrooms that I picked this morning in my dehydrator and they are coming along nicely. I was wondering though when they finish up and are cracker dry. I have a vacuum sealer I bought should I just pile them in a vacuum bag vacuum seal it and put it in the freezer?

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    #12556033 - 05/13/10 03:27 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Newbie Some Advice needed if possible [Re: amdgamer916]
    #12556914 - 05/13/10 05:56 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Ok I have no problem doing the brf cakes but is crumbling them really worth it or should I just keep up the way I'm doing and just find ways to improve my yield?




I think the current best agreed-on method is slicing the cakes into pucks and layering them with your casing. SO you would lay down some coir, then a layer of "cake pucks", cover those, then another layer of pucks, etc until you have the desired depth.

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