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Can a PE cap look like other cubes?
    #12539864 - 05/10/10 08:56 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I am finally getting into printing as a result of a PE that sprouted the other day.  My question is whether PE can look like other cubes, or if another 'strain' sprouted for some reason.  Every single thing I've had from the same tub has looked like PE.  I am 100% certain I didn't mix in a non-PE jar or anything like that.  This particular specimen had a nice open cap and has produced a superb print IMO, unlike anything I have seen with PE yet.  It's roughly the size of a mini-dvd/cd like 3 inches across.

Could this be PE and just not look like a typical PE or what?

(PS: Sorry the pic is blurry I don't want to uncover it so the print is contam free.  It should be sufficient to show the cap is wide open and looks more like a regular cube)



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Re: Can a PE cap look like other cubes? [Re: Pfffffff]
    #12539939 - 05/10/10 09:07 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Interesting.

I have never seen a large, heavily depositing PE cap.

That's not to say you didn't get one ...





These are the heaviest producing PE caps I have had (you can see a light dusting of spores on the stipes right below the caps).


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Re: Can a PE cap look like other cubes? [Re: uncle_rico]
    #12539969 - 05/10/10 09:11 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

It's a superb specimen so regardless what it is I'm happy...just not sure if it is even possible for a PE to look like this.  Seems unlikely but perhaps I got lucky?


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Re: Can a PE cap look like other cubes? [Re: uncle_rico]
    #12540050 - 05/10/10 09:21 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I had few normal caps in some pe tubs.


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Re: Can a PE cap look like other cubes? [Re: Doc_T]
    #12540063 - 05/10/10 09:23 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

So the print would produce regular PE then even though it looks like a regular cube?  Sorry I'm a little noobish on the topic.


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Re: Can a PE cap look like other cubes? [Re: Pfffffff]
    #12540095 - 05/10/10 09:29 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Dunno, I didn't print 'em. Try it and see.


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Re: Can a PE cap look like other cubes? [Re: Doc_T]
    #12540148 - 05/10/10 09:37 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

PE is a stabilized mutant I think, youve gotten the mutant's mutant, the "classic" form....

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Re: Can a PE cap look like other cubes? [Re: Chasawah]
    #12540173 - 05/10/10 09:42 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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PE is a stabilized mutant I think, youve gotten the mutant's mutant, the "classic" form....

Right?



PE is a natural occuring strain that about ran itself extinct due to lack of sporulation. Quit spreading the mutant crap in the Cult forum.

PE6 is RR's baby I believe, and was one of the "normal" looking mutants that cultured on his way up to the infamous "Albino PE" while he crossed PE with, I forget. I will be right back with the answer.

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Re: Can a PE cap look like other cubes? [Re: Mad Merlyn]
    #12540223 - 05/10/10 09:51 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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PE6 is RR's baby I believe




No shit? If that is true, I had no idea.  That's pretty impressive.


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Re: Can a PE cap look like other cubes? [Re: Pfffffff]
    #12540850 - 05/10/10 11:43 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

it was workman,not RR who came up with APE.


This is a fairly new cube, brought to us by www.sporeworks.com ; and their very own Workman who worked extensively to cross PF Albino with PE to create albino penises.

While Workman was hoping for a pure white version,  APE  is a white shroom with a pale blue cap. Ape is prone to aborts, it is not a prolific flusher and due to these factors, it is probably best classified as a novelty or mutant cube. However, poor producing mutants are often reported as being much more potent than average. There is little to no scientific evidence or proof to support the claims of 'mutant' potency... only personal opinions. A mutant's novelty may simply make them 'seem' more potent... which actually CAN make a difference while tripping.

From Workman and www.sporeworks.com


PE is a natural strain.


Penis Envy (a.k.a. PE)
Penis Envy is a unique and classic cube. You should see good results with multispore, since PE is well domesticated.

The Shroomery's own RogerRabbit is fond of saying, "Cubes are cubes, with the exception of PE." This statement is rather profound considering its source. Attempting to get RogerRabbit to admit the differences between any cube 'Strains' is usually a lost cause.

The history of the Penis Envy is shrouded in legend, mystery, and famous names.

According to various sources including long-time Shroomerite, Mushroom John Allen (AKA mjshroomer), Penis Envy was probably discovered in Amazonian Colombia by Terrance McKenna and his brother Dennis in the early 1970's. Hamilton Morris reports the print came from, "A monstrous Amazonian mushroom growing on the dung of local Zebu cattle" and the original specimen, "was taller and thicker than anything found in American soils." Unfortunately, Morris' report has not been confirmed by either Dennis McKenna or his brother Terrance (before his death in 2000). In fact, Dennis McKenna was reported as saying, "(It) is news to me." when he was told the PE supposedly came from their own Amazonian spore collection.

So, perhaps the Penis Envy did not come from the McKennas at all, and perhaps it did. Perhaps the original specimen did not look like a penis until it was isolated by somebody else.

Perhaps the McKennas simply forgot about it... but this is doubtful especially if it looked like a penis. Terrance McKenna often talked about the masculine energy contained within a magic mushroom... and it is hard to believe he'd forget about a penis shaped cube from his own collection.

According to Hamilton Morris at www.viceland.com, pioneering Cubensis mycologist Steven Pollock received a sample of McKenna's Amazonian spores labeled 'Amazon', and Pollock himself, quite possibly isolated the penis shaped cube which we now know and love from McKenna's spores. John Allen among others, seem to believe this version of the story.

According to Morris' legend, Pollock mailed a sample of his spores labeled 'Penis' to Rich Gee in Washington state, right before Pollock himself was murdered in his home by a bullet to the brain. According to the same legend, Pollock was buried with a pocket full of Tampanensis sclerotia, a Matias Romero fruit in one hand and a Penis Envy fruit in the other. Discovery of Psilocibe Tampanensis (not a cube but worth a look if you want to try something different, magical, and easy to grow), and Matias Romero are both credited to Pollock. It is plausible that Pollock also, isolated PE.

Penis Envy was thought, to be long lost, at least at The Shroomery, until Mushroom John Allen discovered bulk print vendor, Rick Gee of MycoTech (see link at end of description), was still selling viable swabs of PE. In case you're wondering, a sterile, cotton swab is sometimes rubbed along the gills to collect spores from hard to print fungus.

Around the same time, The Shroomery's Dreamster1 (not his original username) gave Workman, from www.sporeworks.com, a sample of PE that reportedly originated from Terrance McKenna's own collection... which further clouds the PE's history.

Was Dreamster's print really from McKenna himself? Or, did it also come from Rich Gee, who always claimed the spores came from McKenna's Amazonian exploration?

Because some vendors got their original PE spore samples from Gee (presumably via Pollock), and Sporeworks perhaps got theirs from a source close to McKenna, it is unclear which vendor's PE spores come closest to the original specimen.

It is also, unclear as to who actually gave the Penis Envy its common name.

As you can see, the story/legend of the PE is filled with mystery and confusion. We may never know the whole truth. Still, the PE's mysterious background is part of the fun. At best, it is a historic cube, with connections to the forefathers of Cubensis mycology. At worst, it is a unique cube which looks like a dick.

Long-time Shroomery Sponsors (including www.Sporeworks.com and www.thehawkseye.com) later, reintroduced Penis Envy in print and syringe form, and began to sell the spores to the public. It has increased in popularity over time. Today, many vendors sell Penis Envy and it is among the most popular commercial cubes available... which is a ironic, since PE is a terrible spore producer, which makes it difficult for some vendors to meet increasing demands.

With Penis Envy, just because you see fruits does not mean you will see spores. Penis Envy fruits are often sterile (few or no spores drop) and the gills of the sterile fruit can be light yellow in color (Instead of spore-filled and dark). Later flushes usually bring more spores than the early flushes, but often only a couple fruits drop spores.

Since the cap rarely separates too far from the stem, a Penis Envy fruit can look like a circumcised penis. Penis Envy often has a thick gnarly stem.

Penis Envy fruits often grow slower than a typical cube (but your results may vary). Those thick stems can take a while to reach full maturity. The DENSE fruits don't shrink much when dried.

When it comes to bulk, a flush of PE is comprible to flushes of other cubes. When compared to most 'mutant' cube strains, PE is a rather prolific fruiter.

It is not uncommon for Penis Envy to flush the occasional ALBINO fruit.

PE is potent, according to most who have tried it. In fact, of all the cubes, PE is almost unanimously reported to be very potent (at least, for a cube). There is surprisingly little debate concerning PE's potency. There is also, little evidence and less proof of PE's potency, but gram for gram, people really do seem to like it a LOT.

Because it looks like a penis when fruited, Penis Envy is a love/hate mushroom. Many people are simply turned off by the looks of this particular cube.

PE has been successfully crossed with other cubes, giving us new commercial PE variations including PE #6 (Texas crossed with PE), PE Uncut (PE crossed with albino), and Albino PE (again, crossed with albino).

Source link:
Viceland's 5 Page Penis Envy artical



PE6 is an RR strain

Penis Envy #6 (a.k.a. PE6)
Penis Envy #6 is a unique cube.

Shroomery veteran RogerRabbit, "Crossed a standard PE with the Tex strain." The result was PE 6.

RogerRabbit's efforts were an attempt to create a modified PE which produced more spores... but the spores were accidentally released too early... when a few prints were unintentionally mailed out, in a stack of other prints. The infamous print which lead to the public outing of this particular cube was labeled PE #6.

Here's how RogerRabbit says PE #6 came to be:

"A single sector fruiting isolate of PE, and another of TEX were placed on a petri dish with rattlesnake venom added to the agar. The snake venom helped the two dikaryotic strains share genetic information to form a third sector, which was which was labeled PE6. Other Isolates of the PE were labeled PE 1-7, and apparently, some of the 6, which was the cross, were in the same batch of prints. The idea was to get a good spore producing PE, but I never had time to stabilize the strain due to accidentally releasing it early. That's why sometimes they look like texans and sometimes very much like PE."

PE 6 looks like a cross between Penis envy and Texans. The fruits often have LARGE caps, which open fully, unlike classic PE. They also produce spores. While the stems look quite a bit like PE. Thick and textured. Like little logs.

RogerRabbit confirms this description: "the caps that opened fully have fewer spores like PE, and they have the same gnarly stems too. Only the caps seem to be bigger and to open all the way."

Link to Primary source: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7624855#7624855





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Re: Can a PE cap look like other cubes? [Re: Giggle_Grower]
    #12542117 - 05/11/10 09:34 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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it was workman,not RR who came up with APE.





Correct.  I also had nothing to do with the original PE.  I've tried to put that rumor to rest before, but it keeps coming back like a bad dream.

PE6 was my cross of a regular PE with the Texas strain.  It's no big deal, just a PE that drops normal spores.  I put little emphasis on so-called strain, especially when grown from spores.
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Re: Can a PE cap look like other cubes? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #12544570 - 05/11/10 05:52 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Ok my bad.

Professor Fanaticus made it easy with the "PF" strains and P.Menace made it easy when he worked on the "Menace" strain.
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it was workman,not RR who came up with APE.





Correct.  I also had nothing to do with the original PE.  I've tried to put that rumor to rest before, but it keeps coming back like a bad dream.

PE6 was my cross of a regular PE with the Texas strain.  It's no big deal, just a PE that drops normal spores.  I put little emphasis on so-called strain, especially when grown from spores.
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Can you further elaborate as to why you made that last statement?  The one about growing from spores.


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Re: Can a PE cap look like other cubes? [Re: Mad Merlyn]
    #12544642 - 05/11/10 06:03 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

i can tell you what he meant, at least i think so.
Cubes are cubes, no matter the strain, weather its GT or B+ or CRS. It all the same species.  when u do a MS your getting a random bunch of gentics, tho usually they will look similar to the "parent", it possible to get anything out of MS.  so u could get PE looking fruits from a B+ MS or B+ looking fruits from PE. its always a crapshoot with MS, since basicly all the genetic material for all so-called strains is in the spores.
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Re: Can a PE cap look like other cubes? [Re: Giggle_Grower]
    #12544727 - 05/11/10 06:18 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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i can tell you what he meant, at least i think so.
Cubes are cubes, no matter the strain, weather its GT or B+ or CRS. It all the same species.  when u do a MS your getting a random bunch of gentics, tho usually they will look similar to the "parent", it possible to get anything out of MS.  so u could get PE looking fruits from a B+ MS or B+ looking fruits from PE. its always a crapshoot with MS, since basicly all the genetic material for all so-called strains is in the spores.
did i get it RR? if not please correct me and ill refrain from speaking for u ever again.




I understand exactly what you are saying, but that's like saying Weed is Weed. or Pepper is Pepper.


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Re: Can a PE cap look like other cubes? [Re: Mad Merlyn]
    #12545987 - 05/11/10 09:59 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

but its not like that with mushrooms. u get so many 1000s of spores with MS the possiblities are endless.


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Re: Can a PE cap look like other cubes? [Re: Giggle_Grower]
    #12546518 - 05/11/10 11:57 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

The saying "cube is a cube" generally applys to growing conditions and potency.

Saying weed is weed makes no sense because, with plants, so many things other than genetics determine potency. Such as lighting and fertilizer. Same with pepper.

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Re: Can a PE cap look like other cubes? [Re: EdgeChaos]
    #12572577 - 05/16/10 11:36 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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The saying "cube is a cube" generally applys to growing conditions and potency.

Saying weed is weed makes no sense because, with plants, so many things other than genetics determine potency. Such as lighting and fertilizer. Same with pepper.

Mushrooms are to plants as humans are to ocean coral...(did I do that right?)




Actually, the same can be said with all plants, animals, fungi, bacteria and everything living, lighting, food sources, genetics, location, and environment are all determining factors for whatever "potency" or "genetic trait" rather may come from said organism.
Mushrooms are just like people in the fact that they must obtain food, ingest said food, digest said food which then makes it usable to the consumer (fungi or homosapien)  so that they may grow to its fullest potential in its given environment. and the same can be said for plants.

I believe the "a cube is a cube" statement to be about the furthest thing from helpful you can actually tell a person. Yes perhaps they grow from the same substrate, so do plants in their soil. Yes perhaps they require the same environment, once again tropical plants require tropical environments while desert plants require desert environments, but I do not in any way believe that they are all the same potency based on that statement, because like I said before that would be like saying Weed is Weed when its obviously not, yet its all still from the same genus Cannabis, and from 3 separate sub-genus' Sativa, Indica, and Ruderalis and we all know the differences between Northern Lights Sativa, Kush Indica, and Ruderalis Sour Diesel, yes they all get you high in the same manner, with the same chemicals made in the same process yet the highs are different as well as the amount youd have to smoke to get high.
Growing wise, Weed is weed and "a cube is a cube" but totally otherwise in every aspect Weed is NOT just Weed and Cubes are NOT just Cubes.


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Re: Can a PE cap look like other cubes? [Re: Giggle_Grower]
    #12574689 - 05/16/10 06:01 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

We aren't talking about isolated strains. We are talking about multispore.

I believe that if one were to do hundreds of potency tests and thousands of isolations you could end up with a "strain" of cubes that are reliably more potent.

The problem is that virtually no one has the time, equipment, or money to spend on such a pointless task.



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Giggle_Grower already said it:

Cubes are cubes, no matter the strain, weather its GT or B+ or CRS. It all the same species.  when u do a MS your getting a random bunch of gentics, tho usually they will look similar to the "parent", it possible to get anything out of MS.  so u could get PE looking fruits from a B+ MS or B+ looking fruits from PE. its always a crapshoot with MS, since basicly all the genetic material for all so-called strains is in the spores.






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Re: Can a PE cap look like other cubes? [Re: Mad Merlyn]
    #24953387 - 01/29/18 09:32 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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Quote:

EdgeChaos said:
The saying "cube is a cube" generally applys to growing conditions and potency.

Saying weed is weed makes no sense because, with plants, so many things other than genetics determine potency. Such as lighting and fertilizer. Same with pepper.

Mushrooms are to plants as humans are to ocean coral...(did I do that right?)




Actually, the same can be said with all plants, animals, fungi, bacteria and everything living, lighting, food sources, genetics, location, and environment are all determining factors for whatever "potency" or "genetic trait" rather may come from said organism.
Mushrooms are just like people in the fact that they must obtain food, ingest said food, digest said food which then makes it usable to the consumer (fungi or homosapien)  so that they may grow to its fullest potential in its given environment. and the same can be said for plants.

I believe the "a cube is a cube" statement to be about the furthest thing from helpful you can actually tell a person. Yes perhaps they grow from the same substrate, so do plants in their soil. Yes perhaps they require the same environment, once again tropical plants require tropical environments while desert plants require desert environments, but I do not in any way believe that they are all the same potency based on that statement, because like I said before that would be like saying Weed is Weed when its obviously not, yet its all still from the same genus Cannabis, and from 3 separate sub-genus' Sativa, Indica, and Ruderalis and we all know the differences between Northern Lights Sativa, Kush Indica, and Ruderalis Sour Diesel, yes they all get you high in the same manner, with the same chemicals made in the same process yet the highs are different as well as the amount youd have to smoke to get high.
Growing wise, Weed is weed and "a cube is a cube" but totally otherwise in every aspect Weed is NOT just Weed and Cubes are NOT just Cubes.



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Re: Can a PE cap look like other cubes? [Re: EyeOnEmitter]
    #24953405 - 01/29/18 09:42 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Can a PE cap look like other cubes? [Re: Yesum]
    #24953479 - 01/29/18 10:32 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

This is an old ass thread, but since it's been revived I'll add my two cents on the cube is a cube and weed is weed comments.

Weed is just weed, genetic trait selections and substrate are what makes its potency. Cannabis is cannabis, whether it's sativa, indica or a hybrid, they are able to mate together.

I believe the same is true for the "cubensis" mushroom. PE can breed with b+ and b+ with another "strain" of cubensis and so on, but you can't breed an ps. ovoidiocystidiata with a cubensis or a psilocybe cyanescens with a cubensis. The different "strains" are just genetic selections of Psilocybe cubensis. They are the same species.


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Re: Can a PE cap look like other cubes? [Re: uncle_rico]
    #24953557 - 01/29/18 11:47 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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Interesting.

I have never seen a large, heavily depositing PE cap.

That's not to say you didn't get one ...





These are the heaviest producing PE caps I have had (you can see a light dusting of spores on the stipes right below the caps).




Yes.  old ass thread.  I wrote this almost 8 years ago.  In the mean time I have worked with many many spore heavy PE.  They still don’t drop spores, but the gills are loaded.



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Re: Can a PE cap look like other cubes? [Re: uncle_rico]
    #24953561 - 01/29/18 11:53 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

All 3 photos are penis envy 6



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Re: Can a PE cap look like other cubes? [Re: 99.99]
    #24953574 - 01/30/18 12:13 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Apparently PE has inaequihymeniiferous gills, could be why they are not heavy sporolators. Atleast that's what I see in your latest picture uncle_rico.


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Psilocybe cubensis data collection thread. please help with this project if you hunt wild cubensis.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=26513593&page=0&vc=1#26513593


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Re: Can a PE cap look like other cubes? [Re: Giggle_Grower]
    #25185086 - 05/04/18 11:37 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

it sure can    ha my first post done and done


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Re: Can a PE cap look like other cubes? [Re: catfishbones]
    #25185176 - 05/05/18 12:59 AM (5 years, 8 months ago)

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it sure can    ha my first post done and done




Maybe for your second you can bump a thread thats not 7 years old. :shrug:


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