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Fruits grow larger during the dark period, im convinced.
    #12538088 - 05/10/10 04:28 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I know the best light cycle is 12-12 and I respect that, but through out my growing experience I notice when I give them for example 8 light 16 dark they seem to blow up a lot more than the typical 12/12. I haven't done a side by side, i plan on doing one soon. Is this just me or have others noticed the same.

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Re: Fruits grow larger during the dark period, im convinced. [Re: Bentley]
    #12538146 - 05/10/10 04:35 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

its in my own personal opinion, that lighting only helps during the pinning stages, I know a lot of people disagree, but these things usually grow in the shade. Also running those bulbs u guys got on timers is one of the 1st indications of illegal growing activities. thats how people get busted.

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Re: Fruits grow larger during the dark period, im convinced. [Re: Bentley]
    #12538149 - 05/10/10 04:36 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Well I have noticed the majority of my growth at night when the lights are off.  I have a 12/12 cycle but it seems like the mushies grow the most at night in the off cycle.  I will go to sleep and wake up the next day and they are noticeably bigger.  Now does that mean a 8/16 cycle would be better.  :shrug:

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Re: Fruits grow larger during the dark period, im convinced. [Re: teknix]
    #12538189 - 05/10/10 04:41 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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its in my own personal opinion, that lighting only helps during the pinning stages, I know a lot of people disagree, but these things usually grow in the shade. Also running those bulbs u guys got on timers is one of the 1st indications of illegal growing activities. thats how people get busted.




That coupled with all the other energy gains that are required for these techs, are noticible. Not just energy, but water as well. So if you havent just moved into the place, and are getting all these increases, its a red flag.

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Re: Fruits grow larger during the dark period, im convinced. [Re: teknix]
    #12538363 - 05/10/10 05:07 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I'd have to disagree on the energy increase...cfl are low wattage and low heat. A 4 foot T5 grow light is like 50 watts. A regular desktop pc is easily 400 or 500 watts. Reptile lamps (also typically on timers) are high power and heat also. Unless you have some sodium bulbs running at high wattage I doubt shroom requirements are even a notocable blip.


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Re: Fruits grow larger during the dark period, im convinced. [Re: Pfffffff]
    #12538453 - 05/10/10 05:19 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, I'm noticing that during the dark period they grow twice as big. I'm going to give 8/16 a shot. I don't run timers or anything fancy. I keep it simple and it seems to work best. I know light is just a direction to grow upwards, but they don't get any growth during light, I wake up in the morning and I can't believe my eyes.. Its incredible.

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Re: Fruits grow larger during the dark period, im convinced. [Re: Bentley]
    #12538479 - 05/10/10 05:23 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Definitely true. A 12/12 cycle works like a charm during the first 5 or 6 days, then I usually switch to a 14/10 or 16/8 cycle. If I am not mistaken Scatmanrav does the same thing.


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Re: Fruits grow larger during the dark period, im convinced. [Re: teknix]
    #12538498 - 05/10/10 05:26 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Also running those bulbs u guys got on timers is one of the 1st indications of illegal growing activities. thats how people get busted.




Yeah, CFLs consume like 20 watts max and I use a few pints of water.  In the meantime I've got an electric stove, electric heat, electric hot water heater, electric ac, and a 220V/60Amp hot tub running.

Maybe growing weed would show up on the radar, but definitely not shrooms, I don't care how big an operation you are running.


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Re: Fruits grow larger during the dark period, im convinced. [Re: gornyhuy]
    #12538504 - 05/10/10 05:27 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

But back on topic - I'd LOVE to see some controlled studies of different light cycles versus growth.  It would be difficult to quantify though.


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Re: Fruits grow larger during the dark period, im convinced. [Re: LeopardMan]
    #12538515 - 05/10/10 05:30 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Say I start to run a 16 off 8 on, will that hurt pinning from there on? I'm getting roughly 5 new pins daily on 12/12.

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Re: Fruits grow larger during the dark period, im convinced. [Re: teknix]
    #12538522 - 05/10/10 05:31 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Just trying to help people pay attention to it :smile:

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Re: Fruits grow larger during the dark period, im convinced. [Re: Bentley]
    #12538551 - 05/10/10 05:34 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Say I start to run a 16 off 8 on, will that hurt pinning from there on? I'm getting roughly 5 new pins daily on 12/12.




IMO a 12/12 cycle is best for the first days. And as far as I know darkness is not believed to be a pinning trigger :shrug::grin:


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Re: Fruits grow larger during the dark period, im convinced. [Re: gornyhuy]
    #12538563 - 05/10/10 05:36 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I guess its a balance between providing strong pinning conditions, directional growth/etc and optimal 'weight gain' conditions once pinning is established.  Maybe there could be 2 or 3 optimal light cycles depending on where you are in the life cycle.


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Re: Fruits grow larger during the dark period, im convinced. [Re: Bentley]
    #12538617 - 05/10/10 05:45 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I know people are prob going to get mad at me for saying this but I mean no disrespect. This is just what I think.

When you are colonizing at room temperature, then then fruiting at room temperature, there is a natural temperature drop of the my, just by being removed from the jars (set in the air) and having water poured on them. Even the subtropical species pin after it rains, which would cause the temp to drop.

Now when you add you light to it, the natural temperature drop is nullified, as it is providing a heat source.

Just my thought on it.

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Re: Fruits grow larger during the dark period, im convinced. [Re: gornyhuy]
    #12538642 - 05/10/10 05:49 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Ok, that's a good way to put it :thumbup:. Its said the biggest pinning trigger is FAE and evaporation from the substrate. So why would light effect pinning? I may be wrong :themoreyouknow:

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Re: Fruits grow larger during the dark period, im convinced. [Re: teknix]
    #12538654 - 05/10/10 05:51 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

You know,I could of swore that BITD when I started with the PF Tek,all that was mentioned for light was to give the shrooms something like 15-30 minutes of light a day...although that was BITD and my memory could be a little bit cloudy,cough cough.

Years later I return to the shroomery and see the mentioning of 12/12...what,is this stuff marijuana?!

As far as a simple cfl or shop light being on 12/12...the measly amount of power these things use up will NOT raise any red flags,nor will the 12/12 photoperiod.

Now if we were using multiple 400 600 or 1000 watt MH or HPS lamps ran on 12/12,that would raise a red flag.

I remember my days on OG and ICmag...general rule of thumb is 1,000 watts per bedroom.

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Re: Fruits grow larger during the dark period, im convinced. [Re: Bentley]
    #12538661 - 05/10/10 05:52 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Do a search for pinning trigger, FAE is the biggest, but not the only.

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Re: Fruits grow larger during the dark period, im convinced. [Re: teknix]
    #12538670 - 05/10/10 05:53 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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its in my own personal opinion, that lighting only helps during the pinning stages, I know a lot of people disagree, but these things usually grow in the shade. Also running those bulbs u guys got on timers is one of the 1st indications of illegal growing activities. thats how people get busted.




That coupled with all the other energy gains that are required for these techs, are noticible. Not just energy, but water as well. So if you havent just moved into the place, and are getting all these increases, its a red flag.




Don't speak of that which you have no clue.  A compact fluorescent lamp uses about 1/10 or less the amount of electricity as your TV set.  It isn't a red flag, and you can mist a terrarium or mix up a batch of grain or brf jars for the same amount of water you use in the first two minutes or less of your shower.  There are no red flags energy-wise that would point to someone growing mushrooms.  Those who get popped do so by being stupid in their local community, driving around tripping, or going to raves/parties with mushrooms.

To the OP: Yes, mushrooms grow more during the dark cycle.  We've known that for many years.  They still benefit most from 12/12 because they use light as an energy source to convert sugars in the substrate into ATP within the cells.  Light is a pinning trigger also, but is equally important all the way to harvest.  In addition, brighter light in the neighborhood of 2,000 lux will produce more pins, and the mushrooms will have larger caps and higher finish weight than they will if insufficient lighting is used.
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Re: Fruits grow larger during the dark period, im convinced. [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #12538742 - 05/10/10 06:04 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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They still benefit most from 12/12 because they use light as an energy source to convert sugars in the substrate into ATP within the cells.

Light is a pinning trigger also, but is equally important all the way to harvest.

In addition, brighter light in the neighborhood of 2,000 lux will produce more pins, and the mushrooms will have larger caps and higher finish weight than they will if insufficient lighting is used.
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Good info!

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Re: Fruits grow larger during the dark period, im convinced. [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #12538759 - 05/10/10 06:06 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for all the responses. RR, so conclusion 12/12 will always be better than any other schedule? Have you ran a side by side through out your experience?

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