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6500K CFL Lighting
#12537246 - 05/10/10 02:14 PM (14 years, 12 days ago) |
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I've heard that people use these lights to give adequate lighting for fruiting mushrooms. Seeing as they are "daylight" lamps, could this possibly be seen by a fly-over with thermal imaging? I've heard of many people getting busted while growing marijuana, although I assume their lights are bigger?
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Alan Rockefeller
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Anonymous said: I've heard that people use these lights to give adequate lighting for fruiting mushrooms. Seeing as they are "daylight" lamps, could this possibly be seen by a fly-over with thermal imaging?
Flyovers using thermal imaging were declared illegal in in the US vs. Kyllo case.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyllo_v._United_States
Now they can only use it if they had other evidence first.
Thermal imaging only works if you have enough lights to make your roof and walls hot, which requires several thousand watts.
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They want rows of 1000w HPS, one or two 8w compact fluorescents wont attract attention. You dont grow mushrooms with the light energy, you are just providing light to initiate pinning etc.
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Re: 6500K CFL Lighting [Re: Asante]
#12538486 - 05/10/10 05:24 PM (14 years, 12 days ago) |
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Did the patriot act not change any of this?
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Anonymous said: Did the patriot act not change any of this?
No it did not.
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If you're that paranoid about running a few fluorescent lights in your house, which could easily be for a fish tank, then maybe you should rethink this hobby.
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Re: 6500K CFL Lighting [Re: Brennus]
#12558366 - 05/13/10 09:16 PM (14 years, 9 days ago) |
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Brennus said: If you're that paranoid about running a few fluorescent lights in your house, which could easily be for a fish tank, then maybe you should rethink this hobby.

Seconded.
Say your house has 12 incandescent lightbulbs in it that are used regularly.
You switch all of those to compact flourescent bulbs that use 1/4 the power.
You also hook up 3 compact flourescent bulbs in your closet for your science projects.
Net energy has gone down, not up.
Realize that high powered pot-growing bulbs run 500+ watts. A CFL runs 8-20 or so.
Your CPU will warm your house more than a CFL.
Dont be scared by the big 6500K number, it doesnt mean its a big light bulb.
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Re: 6500K CFL Lighting [Re: Cascadian]
#12573082 - 05/16/10 01:15 PM (14 years, 6 days ago) |
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Being paranoid in this case isn't crazy. It's smart.
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bigcrackrock said: Being paranoid in this case isn't crazy. It's smart.
No. It's fucking retarded. I always suggest that folks be careful, but no one is going to kick your door in because you have some day-glo flourescent lights.
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Re: 6500K CFL Lighting [Re: Brennus]
#12575370 - 05/16/10 08:13 PM (14 years, 6 days ago) |
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bigcrackrock said: Being paranoid in this case isn't crazy. It's smart.
No. It's fucking retarded. I always suggest that folks be careful, but no one is going to kick your door in because you have some day-glo flourescent lights.
Are you a prick in person as well? Look at it like this. Knowledge of how lights work will be of minimum help in this hobby. Besides maybe sticking one in your FC and starting a fire. Looking out for your ass legally can prevent you from ruining your life. I'd say as long as he knows how to do that there's no reason to call it quits. How is he any less qualified then anybody else who doesn't understand how something works in the process? He was wondering if a bulb could be picked up on thermal flyovers. He didn't say that Freemasons were trying to take over the world.
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bigcrackrock said: He didn't say that Freemasons were trying to take over the world.
Agreed...not that freemasons don't want to take over the world though. Clearly they do.
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Re: 6500K CFL Lighting [Re: Pfffffff]
#12590620 - 05/19/10 07:12 AM (14 years, 3 days ago) |
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if you are really that paranoid you could always get sunblocker foil for peace of mind.
Just line the walls and ceiling with it. It completely blocks out heat signals keeping all the radiant heat inside.
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Thermal imaging devices measure the temperature of the outside of your house, vents, etc. Sunblocker foil is a bit of shiny insulation. It will help a little bit not much.
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Alan Rockefeller said: Thermal imaging devices measure the temperature of the outside of your house, vents, etc. There is no foil that you can use to affect their reading.
there is a bubble foil you can use to insulate the room and prevent radiant heat from escaping. It has been tested with thermal imaging to see if it block heat signals. It prevents over 90% of radiant heat from escaping and appearing on a thermal image.
Its called Sunblocker foil.
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Alan Rockefeller said: Thermal imaging devices measure the temperature of the outside of your house, vents, etc. There is no foil that you can use to affect their reading.
there is a bubble foil you can use to insulate the room and prevent radiant heat from escaping. It has been tested with thermal imaging to see if it block heat signals. It prevents over 90% of radiant heat from escaping and appearing on a thermal image.
Its called Sunblocker foil.
I am sure it blocks some but I doubt it blocks 90%. A hot room is a hot room. I would use regular insulation covered with tinfoil instead.
Not really an issue in the USA due to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyllo_v._United_States
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> Its called Sunblocker foil.
That won't do shit for you. So it takes a bit longer for your room walls to heat up, they'll still hit the same temp and look the same on a thermal.
Besides it doesn't really address the issue. Big lights generate heat, which has to be vented or your plants/etc. will die. You also have to vent the O2.
Thermal imaging devices will have no problem seeing a HUGE cloud of exhausted heat coming out of your home. Nobody except growers will be venting a shit-ton of heat like that.
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Alan Rockefeller said: Not really an issue in the USA due to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyllo_v._United_States
Don't kid yourself. Cops are the dirtiest, sneakiest motherfuckers alive! They have no problem thermal imaging you and then phoning in an "anonymous tip", or paying a snitch to lie, or claiming they noticed power spikes, or they smelled it, or any number of other bogus lies to get a search warrant or start pulling your trash and surveiling you.
All that law really means is that they can't openly admit that they used thermal imaging or get a warrant based on it. You'd be amazed how much time they still spend "looking for fires", "tracking wildlife", and other bullshit reasons. Surprising how often their flight plan includes circling or hovering around a city.
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Re: 6500K CFL Lighting [Re: fastfred]
#12598036 - 05/20/10 01:07 PM (14 years, 2 days ago) |
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fastfred said: > Its called Sunblocker foil.
That won't do shit for you. So it takes a bit longer for your room walls to heat up, they'll still hit the same temp and look the same on a thermal.
Besides it doesn't really address the issue. Big lights generate heat, which has to be vented or your plants/etc. will die. You also have to vent the O2.
Thermal imaging devices will have no problem seeing a HUGE cloud of exhausted heat coming out of your home. Nobody except growers will be venting a shit-ton of heat like that.
thats why you simply vent into an adjacent, cooler room or attic instead of exhausting outside. If you arent running several thousand watts this is quite feasible, people do it all the time.
Sun blocker works. We have customers buy it at the store i work at all the time and no one that purchased has had a problem or a raid.
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Sun blocker works. We have customers buy it at the store i work at all the time and no one that purchased has had a problem or a raid.
well that doesn't prove anything at all. people that buy that stuff are more likely to be more secure in every way and other factors... but i agree that it probably does work (just not that what you offer is any sort of "proof" of that.)
so anyway, a lot of times these ir guns are in cars, not helicopters like so many think (operation cost is a lot less here of course.) spreading the heat is the best bet, like someone mentioned, heat into another cooled room, into an attic or whatever is a really solid way to avoid detection. the ir heat signature resistant foil can't hurt.
this is probably the least likely route of detection anyway (ir guns.) biggest risks would probably be 1) telling anyone, even your fucking dog 2) rats (guy you sell to get busted and rolls) 3) stealing power 4) growing in a rental 5) you'd already be suspected (prolly due to something from 1-4) and get trash grabbed and house ir'd, maybe a knock and talk with the famous "i smell marijuana when you opened the door"
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> Sun blocker works.
Sun blocker does NOT work unless it is somehow able to violate the laws of physics. In fact it can't even work as well as insulation since it has a lower R-value.
Your grow room is going to run at a significantly higher temp than the rest of the rooms. A 1/4 inch of R-5 "sunblocker" is not going to prevent the outside walls of that room from heating up! Thus it will show on thermal.
It's simple physics. Even if you slow the transfer of heat to the walls it will still hit the SAME temp, just perhaps 20 minutes later than it would without insulation.
Thermal imaging is not measuring infrared coming from your lamps, it is measuring the heat of the walls of your house. Because your grow room is hotter than every other room in the house.
Here is a thermal image...

You don't see inside the house, all you see is the temperature of the surface of the house. The red parts are where the sun is hitting and keeping things warm.
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Re: 6500K CFL Lighting [Re: fastfred]
#12598811 - 05/20/10 03:16 PM (14 years, 2 days ago) |
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seeing as an ideal lights on temp for cannabis is 75F if your grow room is hotter than your other rooms you're doing it wrong. that anti detection foil is supposed to prevent hot spots from forming, wether it actually works (or is better then just regular mylar) i don't care to argue about really. the main thing is as long as we are talking like 6k watts or less, if you set up the room properly (ballast outsid the room, a/c, proper venting into another insulated room or attic (careful you're not melting snow on your attic!) your house is not going to dramatically stand out more than others and get you busted on that alone.
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