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Phanodude
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I've got 4xHalf Pints of WBS Fully Colonized! Now what?!??
#12537033 - 05/10/10 01:41 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Title here.
I'd like to put it to bulk but i'm not sure i've got enough spawn, so with what i've got, where should i go? I need experienced shroomers!
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Re: I've got 4xHalf Pints of WBS Fully Colonized! Now what?!?? [Re: Phanodude]
#12537052 - 05/10/10 01:44 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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You could spawn that, make a little tub. Or mix w/ wet verm and then case it with verm or 50/50 or something. And/or do a brain to brain expansion, and get more spawn.
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Re: I've got 4xHalf Pints of WBS Fully Colonized! Now what?!?? [Re: Doc_T]
#12537067 - 05/10/10 01:47 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't understand how he can use his brain to increase his spawn.
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Re: I've got 4xHalf Pints of WBS Fully Colonized! Now what?!?? [Re: ninja cat 09]
#12537072 - 05/10/10 01:48 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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I can 
Ya you can spawn to bulk, just dont let your spawn ratio get too large. Try spawning to 12 half pint jars o hpoo in a mini tub.
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Re: I've got 4xHalf Pints of WBS Fully Colonized! Now what?!?? [Re: ninja cat 09]
#12537082 - 05/10/10 01:49 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: I've got 4xHalf Pints of WBS Fully Colonized! Now what?!?? [Re: Doc_T]
#12537087 - 05/10/10 01:49 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: You could spawn that, make a little tub. Or mix w/ wet verm and then case it with verm or 50/50 or something. And/or do a grain to grain expansion, and get more spawn.
Fixed and +1
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Re: I've got 4xHalf Pints of WBS Fully Colonized! Now what?!?? [Re: Mad Hatter 2010]
#12537169 - 05/10/10 02:02 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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What generation are those jars? As long as you haven't grain to grained with them before I'd do that 1:5 with rye berries.
1 cup per pint of rye in a bucket Add some coffee/water and a pinch of gypsum Let sit 24-48 hours Boil for 5-10 mins Let cool/dry PC
EDIT: I do not take credit for that recipe, found it browsing shroomery
Edited by MoreChellasPlease (05/10/10 02:03 PM)
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Re: I've got 4xHalf Pints of WBS Fully Colonized! Now what?!?? [Re: Phanodude]
#12537201 - 05/10/10 02:06 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Spawn to bulk substrate @ a 1:2, spawn to bulk substrate ratio (coir/verm, cowpoo/straw, horsepoo/straw, or straight horse poo) 4 half pints is not that much. Enough to make a few trays this size

or 1 this size.

I would go with several small trays, play the odds against contaminations. Stack the numbers in your favor a little bit by doing several small trays. Do not use aluminum trays if can be avoided as well. They cause your mycelium to metabolize. The aluminum trays are just for size comparison example.
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Re: I've got 4xHalf Pints of WBS Fully Colonized! Now what?!?? [Re: hamloaf]
#12539102 - 05/10/10 06:58 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well my friends dad made some mushroom compost (said it was too nutrient rich for plants???) but we don't know what it's made out of. Can we just pasturize that without any straw? I'm imagining if you can just add spawn to sublicious compost and fruit that after it's fully colonized, we should be able to do something similiar.
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Re: I've got 4xHalf Pints of WBS Fully Colonized! Now what?!?? [Re: Phanodude]
#12539371 - 05/10/10 07:35 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Any Ideas?
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Re: I've got 4xHalf Pints of WBS Fully Colonized! Now what?!?? [Re: Phanodude]
#12539413 - 05/10/10 07:41 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: I've got 4xHalf Pints of WBS Fully Colonized! Now what?!?? [Re: Phanodude]
#12539434 - 05/10/10 07:45 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's all about ratio at this point. You have 4 half pints if colonized bird seed. At a 1:4 spawn to bulk substrate ratio, you would need 8 pints of substrate, giving you a total of 6 quarts after spawning. Not a lot, as far as bulk subs go.
Personally, if the 4 half pints of WBS was all I had, I'd go with as big a spawn ratio as I would be comfortable with. I don't go over 1:4, because I like the speed of colonization, without too much worry of contamination.
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Re: I've got 4xHalf Pints of WBS Fully Colonized! Now what?!?? [Re: tajmahal420]
#12539691 - 05/10/10 08:28 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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That sounds reasonable, now the question is will this compost my friends dad said was "too nutrient rich for plants" in reference to mary-wanna be viable for the shroomage?
He actually called it "mushroom compost" for that reason and it was made like 2 years ago and been sitting under tarps with wood and shit all over it in his backyard.
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Re: I've got 4xHalf Pints of WBS Fully Colonized! Now what?!?? [Re: Phanodude]
#12539781 - 05/10/10 08:42 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Don't mess with it, my recommendation. If that's all the spawn you have, don't risk spawning it to a compost when you have no idea of it's perfomance.
Get some horse manure, you're never far from horses, no matter where you are.
Edited by tajmahal420 (05/10/10 08:43 PM)
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Re: I've got 4xHalf Pints of WBS Fully Colonized! Now what?!?? [Re: tajmahal420]
#12539792 - 05/10/10 08:44 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Or coir. Or just case the grains w/MGMC, it works better than you'd think.
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Re: I've got 4xHalf Pints of WBS Fully Colonized! Now what?!?? [Re: Doc_T]
#12539852 - 05/10/10 08:55 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: Or coir. Or just case the grains w/MGMC, it works better than you'd think.
That too. I never think of coir because I never use it. I guess you could say I have shit for brains when it comes to bulk substrates.
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Re: I've got 4xHalf Pints of WBS Fully Colonized! Now what?!?? [Re: Phanodude]
#12544947 - 05/11/10 06:52 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Phanodude said: "mushroom compost" for that reason and it was made like 2 years ago and been sitting under tarps with wood and shit all over it in his backyard.
Mushroom compost is used mushroom substrates usually from large commercial edible grows. The composting process takes 2 years. Mushroom compost is used, and is one of my favorite growing mediums for growing another kind of plant(s). 
Coir is great.

http://www.shroomery.org/10858/How-to-do-Coir http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12544641#12544641
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Re: I've got 4xHalf Pints of WBS Fully Colonized! Now what?!?? [Re: hamloaf]
#12554286 - 05/13/10 09:22 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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So i can use just straight coconut coir to spawn it? We've got cow fields/horse fields all over here, can i just use straight dookie-doo pasturized then mixed in with the spawn?
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Re: I've got 4xHalf Pints of WBS Fully Colonized! Now what?!?? [Re: Phanodude]
#12554786 - 05/13/10 11:22 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Any ideas? to /\/\/\/\/\/\/\ question?
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Re: I've got 4xHalf Pints of WBS Fully Colonized! Now what?!?? [Re: Phanodude]
#12554844 - 05/13/10 11:33 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Use what you can and have on hand. If you do it right, expect results. Nothing is better than free shit amirite?
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Re: I've got 4xHalf Pints of WBS Fully Colonized! Now what?!?? [Re: Breakfast Crew]
#12554899 - 05/13/10 11:43 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Breakfast Crew said: Use what you can and have on hand. If you do it right, expect results. Nothing is better than free shit amirite? 
My problem is i don't want to do it wrong. If i pasturize dookie i can use that. I've also heard of using straight VERM mixed with WBS to get fruits but i'd like to see what other options are available for me before i choose one.
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Re: I've got 4xHalf Pints of WBS Fully Colonized! Now what?!?? [Re: Phanodude]
#12557704 - 05/13/10 08:01 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Phanodude said: I've also heard of using straight VERM mixed with WBS to get fruits.
That works.
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Re: I've got 4xHalf Pints of WBS Fully Colonized! Now what?!?? [Re: Phanodude]
#12557784 - 05/13/10 08:10 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Phanodude said: So i can use just straight coconut coir to spawn it? We've got cow fields/horse fields all over here, can i just use straight dookie-doo pasturized then mixed in with the spawn?
go with the horse poo
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Re: I've got 4xHalf Pints of WBS Fully Colonized! Now what?!?? [Re: Sammy Agar]
#12557920 - 05/13/10 08:24 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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If you are this worried about spawn, maybe you need to go ahead and expand it g2g first.
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Re: I've got 4xHalf Pints of WBS Fully Colonized! Now what?!?? [Re: Doc_T]
#12558239 - 05/13/10 09:01 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Good idea Doc. You could G2G all of what you have to quart jars, then you would be all set for a bulk. No worries...
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Re: I've got 4xHalf Pints of WBS Fully Colonized! Now what?!?? [Re: Sammy Agar]
#12558266 - 05/13/10 09:04 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Could do one jar per day, four separate batches of new jars. Maximize practice and improve chances.
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Re: I've got 4xHalf Pints of WBS Fully Colonized! Now what?!?? [Re: Phanodude]
#12558327 - 05/13/10 09:12 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ya. You should definitely do some grain to grain transfers. Don't forget use a glove box. Just break up the grains well and transfer them to your newly sterilized jars. You could do grain to grain with 2 of your colonized jars and use the other two to spawn to coir or horse manure or both. If you use a good spawn ratio and perform your procedure in a clean environment chances of contamination will be slim. You will definetely get better yields by spawning to a bulk substrate. From my experience cased WBS tends to yield thin fruits with less than optimal potency.
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Re: I've got 4xHalf Pints of WBS Fully Colonized! Now what?!?? [Re: Doc_T]
#12561578 - 05/14/10 12:16 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Doc_T said:
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Phanodude said: I've also heard of using straight VERM mixed with WBS to get fruits.
That works. 
I've got everything i would need to do this and, i'm on probation so, i don't have to risk getting a tresspassing charge to get any dooders. If it is only a small colonization/fruit i'm fine with that. I've got 4 2xquart mason jars i innoced with ATL#7 LC yesterday so i'll have plenty of Frequent Flyer Miles for trippin if you follow.
How would i go about doing this? I used the search bar and i haven't seen anything concrete.
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Re: I've got 4xHalf Pints of WBS Fully Colonized! Now what?!?? [Re: Phanodude]
#12567691 - 05/15/10 02:58 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: I've got 4xHalf Pints of WBS Fully Colonized! Now what?!?? [Re: Phanodude]
#12567693 - 05/15/10 02:58 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: I've got 4xHalf Pints of WBS Fully Colonized! Now what?!?? [Re: Doc_T]
#12567703 - 05/15/10 03:01 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: ??
The question posed is.
I've got 4x 1/2 pint WBS fully colonized. I want to fruit it, but supplies are limited. I already have VERM. What's the best way, with given supplies to fruit?
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Re: I've got 4xHalf Pints of WBS Fully Colonized! Now what?!?? [Re: Doc_T]
#12567711 - 05/15/10 03:03 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: You could spawn that, make a little tub. Or mix w/ wet verm and then case it with verm or 50/50 or something. And/or do a grain to grain expansion, and get more spawn.
My answer is the same- you have a lot of great options. Choose one, go with it.
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Edited by Doc_T (05/15/10 03:30 PM)
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Re: I've got 4xHalf Pints of WBS Fully Colonized! Now what?!?? [Re: Phanodude]
#12567747 - 05/15/10 03:10 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Phanodude said:
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Doc_T said:
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Phanodude said: I've also heard of using straight VERM mixed with WBS to get fruits.
That works. 
I've got everything i would need to do this and, i'm on probation so, i don't have to risk getting a tresspassing charge to get any dooders. If it is only a small colonization/fruit i'm fine with that. I've got 4 2xquart mason jars i innoced with ATL#7 LC yesterday so i'll have plenty of Frequent Flyer Miles for trippin if you follow.
How would i go about doing this? I used the search bar and i haven't seen anything concrete.
If you have Alt 7 why dont you just let the jars grow sclerotia.... And your missing the bulk sub... so your gonna have to do it like PF cakes or flatten it out and put the verm on top, its painfully obvious what you cannot do due to your problems....
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Re: I've got 4xHalf Pints of WBS Fully Colonized! Now what?!?? [Re: Chasawah]
#12567774 - 05/15/10 03:17 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah well i've been searching and i don't get enough info but from what i've put t'gether i just need to PC 4 jars worth of VERM and mix it into the WBS, let colonize then put fully colonized tray in FC.
EDIT: Oven baking seems to be efficient enough for verm,
Edited by Phanodude (05/15/10 03:20 PM)
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Re: I've got 4xHalf Pints of WBS Fully Colonized! Now what?!?? [Re: Phanodude]
#12567881 - 05/15/10 03:38 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Phanodude said: Yeah well i've been searching and i don't get enough info but from what i've put t'gether i just need to PC 4 jars worth of VERM and mix it into the WBS, let colonize then put fully colonized tray in FC.
EDIT: Oven baking seems to be efficient enough for verm,
Bake it, tben wet it like you would for pf tek. 2:1.
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Re: I've got 4xHalf Pints of WBS Fully Colonized! Now what?!?? [Re: Doc_T]
#12571767 - 05/16/10 07:13 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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If I were you I would spawn it to a larger volume of substrate. Do you have an extra $10 to drop? If so, find a pet or craft store. Look for coir at a pet store or a small block of hay at a craft store and go from there. Higher yields are never frowned upon.
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Re: I've got 4xHalf Pints of WBS Fully Colonized! Now what?!?? [Re: Sammy Agar]
#12575839 - 05/16/10 09:46 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sammy Agar said: If I were you I would spawn it to a larger volume of substrate. Do you have an extra $10 to drop? If so, find a pet or craft store. Look for coir at a pet store or a small block of hay at a craft store and go from there. Higher yields are never frowned upon.
Well we couldn't sterilize the verm but judging by the info this may/may not be a problem, i'll update when i let you know. We mixed Spawn:Verm at a 4:6 ratio and put it in a tub. I'll update this post as the results come in but right now we're gonna forget about it for the next 10 days and it's covered in a trashcan.
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Re: I've got 4xHalf Pints of WBS Fully Colonized! Now what?!?? [Re: Phanodude]
#12576749 - 05/17/10 12:31 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sterilizing the verm itself could be done easily by placing it on foil or a cookie sheet and putting in the oven for a half hour or so on 350 degrees.
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