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booby traps hehe
    #12531858 - 05/09/10 01:35 PM (14 years, 13 days ago)

Is it illegal to set up booby(hehe i said booby) traps in your house if you live alone that will kill intruders? And if one of these contraptions kills an intruder is that fair game?


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Re: booby traps hehe [Re: hotbod]
    #12531980 - 05/09/10 01:58 PM (14 years, 13 days ago)

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hotbod said:
Is it illegal to set up booby(hehe i said booby) traps in your house if you live alone that will kill intruders? And if one of these contraptions kills an intruder is that fair game?




Yes. It is illegal.

It is illegal in part because it could injure innocent people, such as firemen or EMT's.


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Re: booby traps hehe [Re: hotbod]
    #12532025 - 05/09/10 02:08 PM (14 years, 13 days ago)

Use of set gun, trap, or similar device on defendant's own property, 47 A.L.R.3d 646


Generally, the use of spring guns are not justified on the ground that they are used solely for the protection of property,[FN1] and this rule prevails even though a defendant's property had been burglarized before he or she resorted to the use of a spring gun.[FN2] The principle observed is that an owner or occupant of land who sets a spring gun thereon is responsible criminally for death inflicted thereby to the same extent as if he or she had been personally present and had inflicted the injury with his or her own hands, even in the case of the death of a trespasser.[FN3] Accordingly, the rule is that one may justifiably take life or inflict bodily injury by means of a spring gun or a similar device only to save life or to prevent the commission of a violent felony.[FN4] However, the use of a spring gun is not justifiable, notwithstanding the fact that deadly force may be permissible to prevent a felony or in self-defense or defense of another, because the use of deadly force is always dependent upon factual ground for a reasonable belief that such force is necessary, and a trap or spring gun is absolutely incapable of exercising either discretion or reason.[FN5] The giving of notice that a spring gun or like device is maintained on the property is not a complete defense or justification in actions arising out of deaths inflicted by such devices.[FN6]
There are differences of opinion as to the grade of the offense; thus, where the gun is set under circumstances evincing malice and intent to kill, the defendant may be found guilty of murder,[FN7] but where the circumstances do not show malice and an intent to kill but do indicate negligence and carelessness on the part of the defendant, he or she may be found guilty of manslaughter.[FN8]


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Re: booby traps hehe [Re: All We Perceive]
    #12538111 - 05/10/10 04:31 PM (14 years, 12 days ago)

People have been prosecuted for setting traps that hurt or killed burglars. It doesn't have to be cops or firemen. It could be a dirtbag crack addict with a gun in his pocket who busted in and tried to rape someone. You mustn't violate his precious rights by hurting him with a trap. You could be sued for everything you have plus be put in jail. And the burglar will probably go free and collect your money. Justice american style.


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Re: booby traps hehe [Re: hotbod]
    #12538183 - 05/10/10 04:40 PM (14 years, 12 days ago)

As said, probably illegal.


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Re: booby traps hehe [Re: Asante]
    #12669552 - 06/01/10 10:20 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Depends on your states laws. In texas it's perfectly legal to use deadly force to protect your property.

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Re: booby traps hehe [Re: shadowplay]
    #12671065 - 06/02/10 07:39 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

shadowplay said:
Depends on your states laws. In texas it's perfectly legal to use deadly force to protect your property.




Then perhaps you'll link us to the appropriate state laws regarding booby traps.

Keep the following statement in mind. Write it on your palm or your forehead.

"When I don't know what I'm talking about I will shut the fuck up".


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Re: booby traps hehe [Re: shadowplay]
    #12671096 - 06/02/10 07:53 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

shadowplay said:
Depends on your states laws. In texas it's perfectly legal to use deadly force to protect your property.




I figure anyone dumb enough to say what you did is most likely unable to read and/or comprehend, so here you go:



Texas Penal Code - Section 9.44. Use Of Device To Protect Property



§ 9.44. USE OF DEVICE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. The justification afforded by Sections 9.41 and 9.43 applies to the use of a device to protect land or tangible, movable property if: (1) the device is not designed to cause, or known by the actor to create a substantial risk of causing, death or serious bodily injury; and (2) use of the device is reasonable under all the circumstances as the actor reasonably believes them to be when he installs the device. Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, § 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974. Amended by Acts 1975, 64th Leg., p. 913, ch. 342, § 6, eff. Sept. 1, 1975. Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, § 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 1994.



So clearly, you may not use lethal force in a booby trap in Texas.

I wish people like you would at least make an attempt to give ACCURATE advice. It turns a forum meant to help, into a fucking joke.


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Re: booby traps hehe [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #12671281 - 06/02/10 08:58 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
Quote:

shadowplay said:
Depends on your states laws. In texas it's perfectly legal to use deadly force to protect your property.




I figure anyone dumb enough to say what you did is most likely unable to read and/or comprehend, so here you go:



Texas Penal Code - Section 9.44. Use Of Device To Protect Property



§ 9.44. USE OF DEVICE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. The justification afforded by Sections 9.41 and 9.43 applies to the use of a device to protect land or tangible, movable property if: (1) the device is not designed to cause, or known by the actor to create a substantial risk of causing, death or serious bodily injury; and (2) use of the device is reasonable under all the circumstances as the actor reasonably believes them to be when he installs the device. Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, § 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974. Amended by Acts 1975, 64th Leg., p. 913, ch. 342, § 6, eff. Sept. 1, 1975. Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, § 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 1994.



So clearly, you may not use lethal force in a booby trap in Texas.

I wish people like you would at least make an attempt to give ACCURATE advice. It turns a forum meant to help, into a fucking joke.



i dont understand what that said. where do you get these random texts from?


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Re: booby traps hehe [Re: hotbod]
    #12671522 - 06/02/10 09:51 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

> i dont understand what that said.

It says that in Texas, it is illegal to protect property with booby traps that are likely to kill or cause serious injury.

> where do you get these random texts from?

Texas Penal Code


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Re: booby traps hehe [Re: hotbod]
    #12671545 - 06/02/10 09:57 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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hotbod said:
i dont understand what that said.




Then you are not smart enough to go around setting up lethal traps.

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Re: booby traps hehe [Re: RoosterCogburn]
    #12671958 - 06/02/10 11:27 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Seuss said:
> i dont understand what that said.

It says that in Texas, it is illegal to protect property with booby traps that are likely to kill or cause serious injury.

> where do you get these random texts from?

Texas Penal Code





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RoosterCogburn said:
Quote:

hotbod said:
i dont understand what that said.




Then you are not smart enough to go around setting up lethal traps.




Thanks you Gentleman, for saying that far more kindly than I might have.


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Re: booby traps hehe [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #12672386 - 06/02/10 01:27 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
Quote:

shadowplay said:
Depends on your states laws. In texas it's perfectly legal to use deadly force to protect your property.




I figure anyone dumb enough to say what you did is most likely unable to read and/or comprehend, so here you go:



Texas Penal Code - Section 9.44. Use Of Device To Protect Property



§ 9.44. USE OF DEVICE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. The justification afforded by Sections 9.41 and 9.43 applies to the use of a device to protect land or tangible, movable property if: (1) the device is not designed to cause, or known by the actor to create a substantial risk of causing, death or serious bodily injury; and (2) use of the device is reasonable under all the circumstances as the actor reasonably believes them to be when he installs the device. Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, § 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974. Amended by Acts 1975, 64th Leg., p. 913, ch. 342, § 6, eff. Sept. 1, 1975. Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, § 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 1994.



So clearly, you may not use lethal force in a booby trap in Texas.

I wish people like you would at least make an attempt to give ACCURATE advice. It turns a forum meant to help, into a fucking joke.




:picard:


I wish people like you would just shove it.

That statement is true- in Texas, one is justified in using deadly force to protect land or tangible property(§ 9.42). Booby traps weren't mentioned- probably because the poster didn't know if the law extended to their use.

But anyway, like you said:

Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
I wish people like you would at least make an attempt to give ACCURATE advice. It turns a forum meant to help, into a fucking joke.




this is a forum meant to help. It's not about burning other people over tiny details. That shit is what makes threads like these a fucking joke.

:foshizzle:

Accurate advice is important, but in this case I think the advice should be pretty fucking self-evident:

DONT SET UP A GODDAMN BOOBY TRAP IN YOUR HOME!!!! Regardless of what the law says, if you even have to ask about it you probably don't know enough to be doing it in the first place and will probably injure yourself severely.


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Re: booby traps hehe [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #12672470 - 06/02/10 01:50 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Seuss said:
> i dont understand what that said.

It says that in Texas, it is illegal to protect property with booby traps that are likely to kill or cause serious injury.

> where do you get these random texts from?

Texas Penal Code



it doesnt say the word illegal anywhere in your previous post. and please post a link to this texas penis code you speak of.

Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
Quote:

shadowplay said:
Depends on your states laws. In texas it's perfectly legal to use deadly force to protect your property.




I figure anyone dumb enough to say what you did is most likely unable to read and/or comprehend, so here you go:



Texas Penal Code - Section 9.44. Use Of Device To Protect Property



§ 9.44. USE OF DEVICE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. The justification afforded by Sections 9.41 and 9.43 applies to the use of a device to protect land or tangible, movable property if: (1) the device is not designed to cause, or known by the actor to create a substantial risk of causing, death or serious bodily injury; and (2) use of the device is reasonable under all the circumstances as the actor reasonably believes them to be when he installs the device. Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, § 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974. Amended by Acts 1975, 64th Leg., p. 913, ch. 342, § 6, eff. Sept. 1, 1975. Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, § 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 1994.



So clearly, you may not use lethal force in a booby trap in Texas.

I wish people like you would at least make an attempt to give ACCURATE advice. It turns a forum meant to help, into a fucking joke.




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Re: booby traps hehe [Re: Nyawinge]
    #12673887 - 06/02/10 06:16 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Nyawinge said:
Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
Quote:

shadowplay said:
Depends on your states laws. In texas it's perfectly legal to use deadly force to protect your property.




I figure anyone dumb enough to say what you did is most likely unable to read and/or comprehend, so here you go:



Texas Penal Code - Section 9.44. Use Of Device To Protect Property



§ 9.44. USE OF DEVICE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. The justification afforded by Sections 9.41 and 9.43 applies to the use of a device to protect land or tangible, movable property if: (1) the device is not designed to cause, or known by the actor to create a substantial risk of causing, death or serious bodily injury; and (2) use of the device is reasonable under all the circumstances as the actor reasonably believes them to be when he installs the device. Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, § 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974. Amended by Acts 1975, 64th Leg., p. 913, ch. 342, § 6, eff. Sept. 1, 1975. Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, § 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 1994.



So clearly, you may not use lethal force in a booby trap in Texas.

I wish people like you would at least make an attempt to give ACCURATE advice. It turns a forum meant to help, into a fucking joke.




:picard:


I wish people like you would just shove it.

That statement is true- in Texas, one is justified in using deadly force to protect land or tangible property(§ 9.42). Booby traps weren't mentioned- probably because the poster didn't know if the law extended to their use.

But anyway, like you said:

Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
I wish people like you would at least make an attempt to give ACCURATE advice. It turns a forum meant to help, into a fucking joke.




this is a forum meant to help. It's not about burning other people over tiny details. That shit is what makes threads like these a fucking joke.

:foshizzle:

Accurate advice is important, but in this case I think the advice should be pretty fucking self-evident:

DONT SET UP A GODDAMN BOOBY TRAP IN YOUR HOME!!!! Regardless of what the law says, if you even have to ask about it you probably don't know enough to be doing it in the first place and will probably injure yourself severely.




Let me help you a little more. A booby trap IS a device.

Details are everything. Especially on things of a legal nature. Sadly, it's clear you are not detail oriented (at least on this subject).


OK, do you want to quit now or shall I whup you some more?


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Re: booby traps hehe [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #12673955 - 06/02/10 06:31 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I know of people that keep cobra's, they have to let everyone know about them IE signs all around the place..For some odd reason, they haven't been rob once..


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Re: booby traps hehe [Re: Brainiac]
    #12674189 - 06/02/10 07:09 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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I know of people that keep cobra's, they have to let everyone know about them IE signs all around the place..For some odd reason, they haven't been rob once..



ive never been robbed cuase no one dares to fuck with me


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Re: booby traps hehe [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #12674966 - 06/02/10 09:08 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:

1. Let me help you a little more. A booby trap IS a device.

2. Details are everything. Especially on things of a legal nature. Sadly, it's clear you are not detail oriented (at least on this subject).


3. OK, do you want to quit now or shall I whup you some more?




1. Don't know where you got this one...I never called that obvious fact into question

2. You don't even know me

3. :blowme:


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Re: booby traps hehe [Re: hotbod]
    #12675011 - 06/02/10 09:15 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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ive never been robbed cuase no one dares to fuck with me





...wow, seriously?

Give it some time man. With an attitude like that you're bound to piss someone off enough sooner or later.


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Re: booby traps hehe [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #12677604 - 06/03/10 09:31 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I wonder how far the laws extend on booby traps... anybody know of any good case law?

For example... what if your intent was to release your cobras/dogs/attack monkeys in case of fire/break in so that they can escape?

Or how about halon fire systems and automatic fire doors?


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