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myco.alchemist
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You have bags, but no filters, this is a fix 1
#12509012 - 05/05/10 03:26 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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 The picture tells the story
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Fahkface
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Re: You have bags, but no filters, this is a fix [Re: myco.alchemist]
#12509015 - 05/05/10 03:28 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Haha! Nice one
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enlightenment
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Re: You have bags, but no filters, this is a fix [Re: Fahkface]
#12509029 - 05/05/10 03:52 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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You have very good ideas! Keep it up!
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myco.alchemist
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Re: You have bags, but no filters, this is a fix [Re: Fahkface]
#12509030 - 05/05/10 03:53 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have some 19X24 inch autoclave bags.
Thinking, add a filter & PC about 4 gallons of wbs in one. (AA 941)
Remove, sit bag in a plastic 5 gallon bucket, with a loose lid & allow to cool overnight. Bucket is to protect the bag. Inject bag with a lot of LC & let it colonize.
Once at 25% colonization, pull the bag & give wbs a massage & mix. Replace in bucket until fully colonized. 16 quarts of spawn in one container. Rather than 16 quart jars.
Or, simply G2G 1 quart of colonized spawn into it. (think laminar flowhood)

Mix & allow to colonize.
Anyone could modify the wbs amount, to suit their PC size.
Certainly is feasible & a lot less hassle than 16 jars.
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sandman420
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Re: You have bags, but no filters, this is a fix [Re: myco.alchemist]
#12509513 - 05/05/10 08:35 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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About the 4 gal bag, I dont think its such a good idea to "put all your eggs in one ba(g)sket" if you will, personally. And why wouldn't you just let it cool in the pc in front of the hood instead of taking it out hot and putting it in a fucking bucket? That doesn't even make any sense.
Anyway, 4 gal of wbs in one bag is almost 100% sure to fail. I got $5 on it, at least.
About your first pic, it's been done by many people over the years exactly like that. It should work OK, but if ya wanna grow in bags people should really spring for real life filter spawn bags. For one thing, the PP the bag is made out of is a special hybrid mix that is designed to withstand the heat of the pressure cooker without becoming brittle and developing pinholes and retain clarity. Most "autoclaveable bags" are designed for the medical industry and aren't designed to be filled with a large mass of grains and then hold up to pressure cooker use. They are designed to hold used petri dishes, membrane filters, culture plates, pipettes, etc. and be processed for about 20 minutes and then THROWN AWAY so as to make it safe for landfill.
moral of the story....buy real spawn bags.
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Re: You have bags, but no filters, this is a fix [Re: sandman420]
#12511226 - 05/05/10 03:05 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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where's your TC tag?
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[quote]RogerRabbit said: Ah, that explains it. Typical know-it-all noob. We get a few thousand just like you register here every year. They try a few grows, fail miserably and then after a few months or one bad trip, go back to sniffing glue, never to be seen again. We have a basic pf tek that's idiot proof enough for noobs to get fucked up with their friends. Mycologists on the other hand grow for the love of growing. They want to experiment with various species, substrates, and fruiting environments. They'll move on to isolate strains, attempt hybridization, and in general treat cultivation as an artform, rather than a chore that must be performed as a means to an end. They'll work twice as hard for a ten percent gain, just for the love of perfection. These are the ones who will isolate strains, not the dumb fucks who treat mushrooms as a drug, or even worse, a pathogen, as if mushrooms cause disease. RR [/quote]
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sandman420
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Re: You have bags, but no filters, this is a fix [Re: TheBandit]
#12511262 - 05/05/10 03:12 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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my dog ate it
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Re: You have bags, but no filters, this is a fix [Re: TheBandit] 1
#12511268 - 05/05/10 03:12 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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lucky i wish i had a tc tag
i quite working for it , and now im just going to wait untell it comes by itself
thats a good idea though useing a syringe as a filter
props buddy thats fucking genius
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myco.alchemist
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Re: You have bags, but no filters, this is a fix [Re: sandman420]
#12512372 - 05/05/10 06:38 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
sandman420 said: About the 4 gal bag, I dont think its such a good idea to "put all your eggs in one ba(g)sket" if you will, personally. And why wouldn't you just let it cool in the pc in front of the hood instead of taking it out hot and putting it in a fucking bucket? That doesn't even make any sense.
Anyway, 4 gal of wbs in one bag is almost 100% sure to fail. I got $5 on it, at least.
About your first pic, it's been done by many people over the years exactly like that. It should work OK, but if ya wanna grow in bags people should really spring for real life filter spawn bags. For one thing, the PP the bag is made out of is a special hybrid mix that is designed to withstand the heat of the pressure cooker without becoming brittle and developing pinholes and retain clarity. Most "autoclaveable bags" are designed for the medical industry and aren't designed to be filled with a large mass of grains and then hold up to pressure cooker use. They are designed to hold used petri dishes, membrane filters, culture plates, pipettes, etc. and be processed for about 20 minutes and then THROWN AWAY so as to make it safe for landfill.
moral of the story....buy real spawn bags.
LOL, moral of the story....buy real spawn bags.
LOL, I have several thousand “real” spawn bags. If by “real” you mean the ‘Unicorn” proprietary formulation type Lou Hsu (If you even know who that is) developed, whom I am acquitted with.
As far as making spawn on a large scale. You might want to tour one of the “Sylvan” facilities, as I have. Sylvan is the largest spawn maker in the world.
They make spawn in sterile stainless steel containers big enough to park cars in.
Do you know what kind of spawn transport bags they use, or even where they come from? It’s not “Unicorn” bags BTW.
Working on a “patent” application right now, for reusable snap-on spawn bag filters. I think I know a bit about the subject matter.
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Re: You have bags, but no filters, this is a fix [Re: myco.alchemist]
#12512400 - 05/05/10 06:43 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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You could use a cardboard or plastic tube instead of a syringe. Good idea though, especially if you wanted to fruit invitro and needed the extra air exchange.
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myco.alchemist
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Re: You have bags, but no filters, this is a fix [Re: libertaire]
#12512539 - 05/05/10 07:06 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Some type plastic tubes will melt or warp. Be sure they will autoclave, whatever you use. I would not trust cardboard.
If you have PP 5 screw on cap culture tubes, modified they work great. A tube & PP cable ties to secure it in the bag does the trick. I used silicone washers too restrain the polyfil. Rather than stuff the tube full.
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sandman420
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Re: You have bags, but no filters, this is a fix [Re: myco.alchemist]
#12512938 - 05/05/10 07:58 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sylvan uses vertical blenders (maaaaaaybe big enough to park a smart car or a few motorcycles) to sterilize spawn, LOOSE not in bags at all. Its all bagged AFTER sterilization. I think you just made yourself the fool.
WTF does this have to do with anything you trying to make me look green or something? I was just saying that your idea was not very good, that's all. I don't know what any of your post has to do with anything. Don't get all mad cause I'm not agreeing with your ideas.
BTW....Lou taught me how to make spawn bags right, personally. Good luck with your patent, let me know if you would like to trade any more unpleasantries .... I'm always game.
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jingus

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Re: You have bags, but no filters, this is a fix [Re: myco.alchemist]
#12513446 - 05/05/10 09:03 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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hey sandman 420! 
stop talking 
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myco.alchemist said: Some type plastic tubes will melt or warp. Be sure they will autoclave, whatever you use. I would not trust cardboard.
If you have PP 5 screw on cap culture tubes, modified they work great. A tube & PP cable ties to secure it in the bag does the trick. I used silicone washers too restrain the polyfil. Rather than stuff the tube full.

anyway, i'm not suggesting it, because a syringe would be easier to seal and zip-tie, but my friend who grew with me last year as a roommate gave me this cheap ass oven bag, with a cut-off gatorade cap, with a hole cut in the lid and stuffed with polyfill... he said he read it somewhere on shroomery, but i've never seen it. anyway, results speak.
i spawned that shit to a monotub, and its working wonders.
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Re: You have bags, but no filters, this is a fix [Re: jingus]
#12514747 - 05/06/10 01:19 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah..he read it here.
Long ago.
   
People told me I'd fail when I injected this straw with LC. I didnt.
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myco.alchemist
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Re: You have bags, but no filters, this is a fix [Re: sandman420] 1
#12514782 - 05/06/10 01:28 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sylvan spawn is shipped in 15 liter bags (15 liters = 3.96 gallons) One of the largest spawn producers in the world, puts all their eggs in one 4 gallon basket.
The grain is sterilized, loaded in bags, inoculated, allowed to mature, then stored for shipment.

http://www.sylvaninc.com/
http://www.sylvaninc.com/spawnProductionProcess.html
The difference being, the grain is not sterilized inside the bag. The bags are pre-sterilized by irradiation, opened in a class 100 clean room, loaded, inoculated, sealed, matured & sold.
All I was doing was passing on a method, many young guns are unaware of to make an autoclavable bag neck filter out of a syringe body. Which many closet growers have on hand.
As far as pulling a bag out of a PC, and placing it in a bucket. That is simply to protect the bag & content from damage. I don’t pull them out steaming hot. I allow the PC & content to cool somewhat first, then once removed finish cooling to room temperature in the bucket. If I allowed the bag to cool for 12 hours inside the PC. That would be 12 hours, I could not put the PC to use.
I am not challenging anyone to anything, nor wish to trade barbs with anyone. If I unintentionally did, that was not my intent, nor meant to be malicious in any way.
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jingus

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Re: You have bags, but no filters, this is a fix [Re: myco.alchemist]
#12514829 - 05/06/10 01:41 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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ur a champ myco. no need to be political.
good thread
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myco.alchemist
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Re: You have bags, but no filters, this is a fix [Re: jingus]
#12514940 - 05/06/10 02:13 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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 I sure wish I had a forklift load of those full spawn bags.
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Re: You have bags, but no filters, this is a fix [Re: myco.alchemist]
#12515062 - 05/06/10 03:03 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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I just broke the top off of a pop lid and pulled the plastic through when I did it.
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Re: You have bags, but no filters, this is a fix [Re: myco.alchemist]
#12515714 - 05/06/10 09:20 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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I just received some of those large spawn bags my self and was sitting there staring at them scratching my head. These bags where over my head until I read this post. Now I have a lead on what to do with these amazing spawn bags. How did you know?? lol..
 
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sandman420
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Re: You have bags, but no filters, this is a fix [Re: hamloaf]
#12515958 - 05/06/10 10:34 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Im curious hamloaf if you could give a shot or the text of what the asterisk says for "supperior Strength" on the middle pic?
I wonder how much a forklift load of uncolonized bags would go for from sylvan! Thats gotta be close to 2 tons of grain!
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