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Amazing Pinset on a recent tub *UPDATE* First Flush Success+ Second Flush Problems :( * 1
    #12513947 - 05/05/10 10:27 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Edit x2: 5/16/10
The first flush came and went, and did extremely well. Total dry weight from the first flush was around 3.5oz.

The second flush stalled, and I can't figure out what the HELL is going wrong? It seems like nearly ALL of the pins stalled/aborted, and now a new set (third flush?) is sprouting up, leaving the other behind.

I noticed some of the little tiny pins have yellow heads? I've never seen this. Any help would be greatly appreciated!


These are the updated pictures:

First flush ,one day  before harvest:







This is where I need help:

As you can see, the second flush started to come in JUST AS WELL as the first flush:



Now, fast forward 4 -5 days.
There is little to no growth on the pins, and new mush have sprouted up








What's going on guys?



















































This tub was done about 20 days ago or so.

I used grain to grain transfers, 6 Quart jars of WBS (R44 Strain, all I've been using lately). The WBS was soaked in gypsum/liquid coffee - and the jars were loaded with one teaspoon of gypsum, and one tablespoon of spent coffee per quart jar.

The bulk sub includes Coir, Straw, Verm, Gypsum, and Spent Coffee Grounds.


This is one of the best pinsets I've had in a while, so I figured I'd upload.


This is also one of my first tubs ever using wheat straw, so now I've done a few more tubs including straw as well. It took me a while to figure out MY perfect tek for using my bulk sub, but so far, I absolutely love my way of preparing my bulk. There is no mess, no hassle, and it seems to work really well.

Let me know what you guys think :smile:

I'll update this thread w/ pics as the pins mature!




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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: tekramrepus]
    #12513951 - 05/05/10 10:29 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

What's your pasteurization method, man?

I've been having some trouble with coir+coffee lately.


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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: tekramrepus]
    #12513961 - 05/05/10 10:30 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

:awesurprise: Holy shit thats a lot of pins...


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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: tekramrepus]
    #12513967 - 05/05/10 10:31 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Oh, more info on the tub:

The tub I believe is a 50quart sweaterbox from walmart. It is NOT a monotub, I simply covered it w/ painters plastic (.6 mil) and placed it in my greenhouse. I subjected it to light right away, and within TWO days after full colonization, the pinset had already started.

I have to be perfectly honest, I've found that combining straw, coir, verm, gypsum, and spent coffee grounds makes a really decent bulk substrate.

I can't wait to pick up some horsepoo. I found a free source via craigslist. The spent coffee grounds are free, the horse poo is free, and the wheat straw is 6 bux for a bale. I had so much straw from the bale that I only ended up keeping 1/3 of it, lol.

I really cant wait to start using hpoo :smile:

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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: tekramrepus]
    #12513978 - 05/05/10 10:32 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

:thumbup:That is awesome dude!

It's gonna get pretty crowded next week


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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: audiophoenix]
    #12513991 - 05/05/10 10:35 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: tekramrepus]
    #12514012 - 05/05/10 10:38 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

My Pasturization technique was based off of Damion5050's coir tek.

I use:

1 Brick of Coir
3 Quarts of Verm
2.5 Quarts of Spent Coffee Grounds
1.5 Quarts of Gypsum
7 Quarts of water.
5 Quarts of Straw
9 Quarts of Spawn (WBS)

I Put everything in a 5 gal bucket, and then boil water (212F) in my All American PC (921). I then pour 7 quarts of water in the bucket, and let it sit for 30 minutes. After that, I use heavy duty gloves, and mix everything together. If there isnt enough water, I add more water. If its too wet, I add more vermiculite (only add more verm, since its not that suscepticle to contams as the rest.)


While doing this, I take 5 Quarts of straw, and put them in a bucket, and add soapy , hot water. I mix the water/soap/straw together real well, ripping apart the straw as much as  I can.

I let the straw sit in the soapy water for about an hour, until I Rinse it REALLY, REALLY well.

Then, I place the straw in a mesh laundry thing ($1.80 at walmart) and put it in my pressure cooker. To hold the straw down , I use the metal rack that comes w/ the PC, and put it on top of the straw in the mesh bag, and then put the PC lid on upside down.
I Keep the temp between 150-180F for an hour, and then drain the excess water out of it.


At this point, I mix the bulk sub from the 5 gal tub, along with the straw, in the tub. Then I add 9 quarts of spawn, and there ya go!.


This was for my 105 quart monotub I did last night, and since the tub above is HALF that, use HALF the ingredients.....or just guestimate, which ratios similar to what I posted above.


Good luck :smile:

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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: TacoHerder]
    #12514055 - 05/05/10 10:47 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Good work :thumbup:

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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: Bentley]
    #12514106 - 05/05/10 10:57 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Multispore, isolate, or clone?

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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: d1spatch]
    #12514116 - 05/05/10 10:59 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I went ahead and updated the original post, adding some flushes from a few other trays I ran this month.


The ONLY difference between the other trays, and the one with the amazing pinset, is:

1. More substrate in the tray w/ more pinsets
2. Light was introduced immediately after spawning in the tray w/ more pinsets,
and
3. Straw, Gypsum, and Spent Coffee Grounds were added to the tray w/ more pinsets


I will update this thread with more pics as the mushies mature :smile:

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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: d1spatch]
    #12514122 - 05/05/10 11:00 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Multispore, isolate, or clone?






Grain to Grain Transfer, third generation.

I've noticed/ without ANY doubt, that the mycelium from grain to grain transfers is MUCH more rhizomorphic, and in general does better on every single aspect.

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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: tekramrepus]
    #12514407 - 05/05/10 11:53 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Interesting, I've yet to try a clone, isolate or a G2G, but I have noticed that my LC growth has been very strong and rhizomorphic.

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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: d1spatch]
    #12523169 - 05/07/10 04:40 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I have some new pictures i need to upload. The first flush was unbelievable, and the second pinset is already WELL on its way. The second pinset looks nearly as strong as the first, its unbelievable!

I'm guessing about 2oz dried from the first flush

Ive done 2 more monotubs (this wasnt a monotub) this way now, and they are coming along so fast.

Straw/Coir/Verm/Gypsum/Spent Coffee Grounds really is an excellent combo

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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: tekramrepus]
    #12523415 - 05/07/10 05:33 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Looks good!

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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: danstice]
    #12523537 - 05/07/10 06:10 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

fucken ey
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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: tekramrepus]
    #12523934 - 05/07/10 07:28 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Quote:

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Multispore, isolate, or clone?






Grain to Grain Transfer, third generation.

I've noticed/ without ANY doubt, that the mycelium from grain to grain transfers is MUCH more rhizomorphic, and in general does better on every single aspect.





yeah it's pretty performing like a clone by now from narrowing down the genetics. I've noticed it too recently.  :wink:


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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: ambargh]
    #12524343 - 05/07/10 08:52 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Wow that's sick!!!  Nice job man!

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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: Geo_Mancer56]
    #12524440 - 05/07/10 09:17 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Wow, amazing pin set man.  I pretty much use the same sub as you do but sans straw--you've got me thinking about giving it a try.

Are you going to case this one like your others?


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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: Dharmatripper]
    #12532174 - 05/09/10 02:36 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Nope, no casing.

The first flush from this tub was a little shy of 3oz dried.

The second flush is coming in nearly as thick as the first one :smile:

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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: tekramrepus]
    #12532192 - 05/09/10 02:41 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

that looks great man...  job well done!


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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: tekramrepus]
    #12532234 - 05/09/10 02:49 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

NICE!!!!! I LIKE!!!!!


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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: zigzag]
    #12532238 - 05/09/10 02:50 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Wow, that's great.  I always go back and worth on what I think of casings. 

How much of your success do you attribute to the straw?  Have you had similar results without (same basic recipe)? 

A long long time ago I used ShroomGod's Straw tek but since then I haven't touched the stuff.


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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: Dharmatripper]
    #12533243 - 05/09/10 06:21 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Wow, that's great.  I always go back and worth on what I think of casings. 

How much of your success do you attribute to the straw?  Have you had similar results without (same basic recipe)? 

A long long time ago I used ShroomGod's Straw tek but since then I haven't touched the stuff.






To be honest, I never had much luck w/ straw by itself, although of course I know others have had great success..


Straw has, however, definitely improved the quality of my tubs.
1) More yield
2) When mixed w coir/gypsum/coffee/verm, adding straw gives a really nice consistency, and is even BETTER with holding moisture, if you can believe it
3) its a great way to "fluff up" a bulk substrate, and prevent it from compacting
4) added nutrients are showing that i get more out of the first flush then without straw, and maybe TWICE the benefits of not using straw on the later flushes

seems to be enough benefits to using straw, enough to keep me using it in at least half of my projects


Straw alone I didnt really like, and it didnt seem worth it - mixed with my normal bulk, its now a must :thumbup:

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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: tekramrepus]
    #12533738 - 05/09/10 07:46 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Your quite the salesman.  I'm not looking forward to the finding, purchasing, cutting, pasteurizing part (b/c I'm used to just throwing things in a bucket) but I might have to give this a try.  This and the Rezz effect--so many things I want to do and so little time. 

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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: Dharmatripper]
    #12551915 - 05/12/10 09:13 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

For some reason, the second pinset on the tub seems to be stalling? I can't find any reason why.....any ideas guys?

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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: tekramrepus]
    #12552086 - 05/12/10 09:43 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

it used up most of its nutrients on the first flush. it can happen with bulk grows.


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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: TacoHerder]
    #12552091 - 05/12/10 09:44 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

did you re-hydrate your substrate after you pulled the first flush?


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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: TacoHerder]
    #12555246 - 05/13/10 12:52 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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did you re-hydrate your substrate after you pulled the first flush?





no, I should have :frown:

This was the only bulk tub I havent re-hydrated, and its because the second flush came in so soon.

Should I still try to dunk it, or is it too late?

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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: tekramrepus]
    #12555291 - 05/13/10 12:59 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Amazing! Success such as this gives me even more motivation! Keep up the great work.

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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: ThUmB pRiNt]
    #12555302 - 05/13/10 01:00 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

nice work!

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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: tekramrepus]
    #12556823 - 05/13/10 05:42 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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did you re-hydrate your substrate after you pulled the first flush?





no, I should have :frown:

This was the only bulk tub I havent re-hydrated, and its because the second flush came in so soon.

Should I still try to dunk it, or is it too late?




if you think it can bounce back. if its not too blue and dried out you might give it a try. cant hurt.


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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: TacoHerder]
    #12557133 - 05/13/10 06:40 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Water never hurt anything. mushrooms are 90% water.  I put mine out in the rain. :smile:


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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: ambargh]
    #12558532 - 05/13/10 09:36 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I really don't see why my second pinset isn't growing.

Its got about 100 pins or more,and it seems like it just stalled. The substrate doesnt seem dry at all,but I went aheadand dunked it anyway.

Maybe they are just growing slowly?

The temp is 85F unfortunately :frown: So I put a huge bucket of ice water in there (5gal) and have my air purifier/fan/temp control.

Hopefully the tub is just coming along slowly, and everything will be alright :frown:


HOW exactly do I drop the temperature in a storage shed that is outside?

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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: tekramrepus]
    #12558546 - 05/13/10 09:38 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

AC UNIT!!! or you can keep using ice if that works. its just a pain. i found one of those window AC's at Goodwill for 20 bucks! had to get it cause i know that i will need it this summer


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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: tekramrepus]
    #12558555 - 05/13/10 09:39 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

could be contaminated. dont let the pins goto waste. pick them before they begin to rot. just make sure they did infact stall.


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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: CoreyRubble]
    #12558978 - 05/13/10 10:42 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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AC UNIT!!! or you can keep using ice if that works. its just a pain. i found one of those window AC's at Goodwill for 20 bucks! had to get it cause i know that i will need it this summer





Will a window A/C do any good in a storage shed?

I don't mind dropping the money at a home improvement store for one, but i have no windows in there.

The stand alone sets were like 300+

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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: tekramrepus]
    #12559494 - 05/14/10 12:22 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

window ac will work as long as it can  sit on a window... a window ac takes freon, turns it into gas and runs the gas thru the coils which cools down the air going thru the coils. the gas gets up to 150 degrees, so it is then run thru coils on the back of the unit. which need to be outside b/c the gas does the same thing as it did to make the air cold. except this time the outside air cools the gas back down and turns it back into a liquid form. so basically they are designed to require half being inside and half being outside.


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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: TacoHerder]
    #12559572 - 05/14/10 12:37 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

You could cut a hole in your shed and make it a project :super:

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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: TacoHerder]
    #12559579 - 05/14/10 12:38 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

does any one notice those r not in the same tubs


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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: punkrocker292004]
    #12559603 - 05/14/10 12:43 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

i did but thot it was cause im tipsy. glad u noticed it too and had the balls to post it.


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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: punkrocker292004]
    #12559633 - 05/14/10 12:50 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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does any one notice those r not in the same tubs




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EDIT: I added some more flushes from some other projects I've had going on this month. They are at the bottom of this thread :smile:





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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: deadmandave]
    #12561820 - 05/14/10 01:11 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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does any one notice those r not in the same tubs




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EDIT: I added some more flushes from some other projects I've had going on this month. They are at the bottom of this thread :smile:





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Yea, those are different projects, in the same greenhouse, in the same storage shed, lol. I have the pictures of the amazing flush and full mature tray from the original pick of the pinset, but haven't had the time to upload them yet :smile:

Now that I finally have internet and my place, I'll try and update them tonight!

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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: tekramrepus]
    #12564645 - 05/14/10 09:47 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I think i got a little hard from all those pins...

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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: leggomygreggo]
    #12564750 - 05/14/10 10:17 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

:thumbup::rockon:Jolly good mate!

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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: gref]
    #12571138 - 05/16/10 01:57 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

UPDATE

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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: tekramrepus]
    #12571156 - 05/16/10 02:01 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Might be cobweb.


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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: madi]
    #12571311 - 05/16/10 02:40 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

This is a pretty common thing I see around here...Amazing pinset but then many of them abort. My guess would be genetics or improper fruiting conditions. I'm leaning more towards genetics though... Seems like the substrate could not support all those pins and aborted for some reason but your first flush was fine... Was this a multispore grow?


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Re: Amazing Pinset on a recent tub [Re: Jitsu]
    #12571360 - 05/16/10 03:09 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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This is a pretty common thing I see around here...Amazing pinset but then many of them abort. My guess would be genetics or improper fruiting conditions. I'm leaning more towards genetics though... Seems like the substrate could not support all those pins and aborted for some reason but your first flush was fine... Was this a multispore grow?




Was not multispore grow, but rather grain to grain transfer.

Could be genetics - This is either from an R44 or GT print I received. I've had MUCH success with both, but unfortunately the last month I've confused myself and mixed up which is which. If its the R44, I've had mixed results.... *shrugs*

I am really baffled here - but on other trays I've had a different set of problems. No aborts, but instead hollow stems, which are really short.

None of these problems have occured in my monotubs, only in my greenhouse - which is a shame. And ironically, some trays in my greenhouse show no problems whatsoever?
The trays that had short, hollow stems, I've tried moving them to diff. positions here and there, no luck.


Anyway, As of this month, I'm just letting the "amazing pinset" tub finish fruiting, and then I'm taking the greenhouse down. All space will be freed up for monotubs, allowing me to compare strains/genetics/substrate with a more constant fruiting conditions.

Here's a pic of one of my recent monotubs:


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