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HPPD on low dose?
    #12509821 - 05/05/10 10:17 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Is it possible to get HPPD with a very low dose of cubensis? Like 0.25 - 0.5 grams? 

I've been very curious to try but it seems like a lot of people on this board have gotten HPPD like symptoms and other mental problems.  It just doesn't seem worth it to have permanent damage caused for what is purported to be a tool for spiritual/personal growth. 

My only other experience with drugs has been MDMA 2 times and POT 4 times(mostly positive experiences).  I consider myself to be very sensitive - I tweak quite a bit on 1 cup of coffee.  My other concern is that I suffer from anxiety and my mom has bipolar disorder. I am 32 years old and I'm thinking it might be better to take psychedelics when I am 70- 75 years old so that any potential problems that develop won't take up too much of my life.  Maybe I'll build up a huge stash of various psychedelics by then and go big.  Maybe try some heroin too!

One interesting thing happened to me almost a decade ago - I went on a 10 day intensive meditation retreat.  A couple of days into the retreat I started hallucinating - I saw frogs jumping from the green patterned floor and jeweled/kaleidoscope dragons flying around when I closed my eyes.  I was tripping without ever having taken psychedelics!! I was perfectly calm. The teacher asked me if I ever took psychedelics and I told him no.  They kicked me out a day later because I guess they saw me as a liability.  The hallucinations went away but anxiety came back really bad(probably because I was pissed at the teacher for kicking me out) and I had to take Klonopin to stabilize myself. 
So should a low dose be safe and not cause HPPD?  I do have a few pills of klonopin in case anything goes wrong.


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Re: HPPD on low dose? [Re: shroomnewbie2]
    #12509851 - 05/05/10 10:23 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

MDMA has been overall more disturbing to my psyche then mushrooms have been.  I used to have bipolar disorder and anxiety disorders but through working on myself (in sober and psychedelic states) these are no longer factors in my life 

Sorry to say, nobody can tell you how mushrooms will effect you.  :shrug:  Best bet is to mentally prepare with meditation and yoga, get a safe, relaxed setting to take them in, and then start with a small dose.


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Re: HPPD on low dose? [Re: shroomnewbie2]
    #12509871 - 05/05/10 10:28 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Unless you have an extremely low tolerance to psilocybin, 0.25 to 0.5 grams won't even give you a buzz, let alone make you trip. You'll probably need at least a couple grams to really trip. A low dose is definitely recommended for a first time (I did 1.5 grams my first two times and it was great and totally manageable, like being stoned but without the paranoia, anxiety, and negative thoughts), that way you can test the waters and see how if affects you, but you'll probably wanna get into the 2 - 3 gram range for a good, strong trip.

I don't have HPPD so I could be wrong (anybody who does can feel free to correct me on this), but from what I've read I get the impression that HPPD happens usually after either very high doses, or long-term, frequent, regular use. While everybody is affected differently by psychedelics, I haven't heard of anybody getting HPPD from doing a low/moderate dose a few times, so if you decide to try you'll probably be okay.


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Re: HPPD on low dose? [Re: MOTH]
    #12509877 - 05/05/10 10:29 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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MOTH said:
MDMA has been overall more disturbing to my psyche then mushrooms have been.  I used to have bipolar disorder and anxiety disorders but through working on myself (in sober and psychedelic states) these are no longer factors in my life 

Sorry to say, nobody can tell you how mushrooms will effect you.  :shrug:  Best bet is to mentally prepare with meditation and yoga, get a safe, relaxed setting to take them in, and then start with a small dose.




That could be a good sign for me considering MDMA was a very positive experience for me and I never noticed any coming down effects.  It was more like a very positive afterglow that faded away slowly.  Marijuana caused some serious paranoia 1 time but it was still manageable.  I have been meditating lately and recently read The Psychedelic Experince by Timothy Leary and listened to some of his recordings.


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Re: HPPD on low dose? [Re: shroomnewbie2]
    #12509906 - 05/05/10 10:35 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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MOTH said:
MDMA has been overall more disturbing to my psyche then mushrooms have been.  I used to have bipolar disorder and anxiety disorders but through working on myself (in sober and psychedelic states) these are no longer factors in my life 

Sorry to say, nobody can tell you how mushrooms will effect you.  :shrug:  Best bet is to mentally prepare with meditation and yoga, get a safe, relaxed setting to take them in, and then start with a small dose.




That could be a good sign for me considering MDMA was a very positive experience for me and I never noticed any coming down effects.  It was more like a very positive afterglow that faded away slowly.  Marijuana caused some serious paranoia 1 time but it was still manageable.  I have been meditating lately and recently read The Psychedelic Experince by Timothy Leary and listened to some of his recordings.




Good, I'm glad you're reading up on the experience to prepare.  Whenever you dose, just let go and flow with it.  Acceptance and surrender are key.


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Re: HPPD on low dose? [Re: shroomnewbie2]
    #12510477 - 05/05/10 12:30 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

You just can't be sure.

The interaction of brains minds and drugs is not well understand. No one really knows what causes HPPD. It appears there is a range, some people are more susceptible to it, some people are less susceptible to it.

The most cautious approach would be to start with 0.5g, not use any other drugs before during or after, and pay close attention to your visual field in the days afterward without being a hypochondriac.

It appears larger frequency or dose or combinations with other drugs increase the risk.

Keep in mind the average shroomery member is probably a 20 year old male, so the advice will be coming from a group that typically ignores risk :smile:


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